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Projecting Tyler Pitlick - How Does Ryan Kesler Sound?

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At first, I thought regular commenter FastOil's suggestion in the comments of our November wallpaper was, well, crazy.  When he suggested Ryan Kesler as a close comparable for Tyler Pitlick I blew it off as the rose-colored thinking of another Oilers fan with future bias.  And then I took a second look.  It turns out FastOil's suggestion isn't crazy, it's dead-on balls accurate.

The comparison isn't just about their similar height, weight, position, background and nationality - it goes well beyond that.

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Central Scouting ranked Kesler 16th among North American skaters in 2003.  They ranked Pitlick 18th in 2010. Frank Bonello was cool on Kesler, "He has decent size, a wide, strong skating stride, and a defensive conscience. Solid, not spectacular."  E.J. McGuire was more upbeat on Pitlick's game, "Dominates faceoffs and in freshman year, is an excellent young prospect, a really good young skater and his ability to dominate a game at his level is truly impressive."  Kesler was listed at 6'2" 195 lbs in 2003, Pitlick was listed at the same height and weight last year.


Tyler Pitlick

#9 / Center / Oklahoma City Barons

6-2

195

Nov 1, 1991

#31, 2011


Kesler slid to Vancouver at 23, in part because the Oilers, selecting 22nd, chose Marc Pouliot instead.  Pitlick slid to Edmonton at 31 in part because the Coyotes reached in the first round to select goaltender Mark Visentin.  Both Brian Burke and Steve Tambellni felt fortunate to draft their men.  Burke said of Kesler "Two teams, right after I took him, told me they had him rated in the top 10."  In Tambellini's draft-day interview he said "We definitely had him the first round."

Both men played in the NCAA during their draft years - Kesler for Ohio State in the CCHA, Pitlick for Minnesota State in the WCHA.  Both left the NCAA after their freshman year - Kesler went to the Manitoba Moose in the AHL, Pitlick to the Medicine Hat Tigers in the WHL.

Both players are noted for their physical play.  Burke, who tends to focus on the physical aspect of the game said on draft day in 2003, "The things we liked about Ryan Kesler were that he's got size, he's got excellent foot speed, he's a punishing player...To be a forward in our league, you need proper levels of hostility, belligerence and speed and he's got those things."  Though not to the level of adulation Burke poured on Kesler's game, Pitlick received praise for his speed and aggression from both Red Line Report: "Accelerates briskly out of cross-overs and blows by defenders. Flashed the ability to power through defenders to get to net. High energy level every shift. Long-limbed with farmboy like strength. Aggressive and finishes checks." and Western College Hockey: "...he can use his speed and size on the outside to drive to the net and use his heavy snap shot. Despite being one of the youngest players in college hockey last year, he doesn't back down from anyone physically, and has the strength to dish out his own punishment."


Ryan Kesler

#17 / Center / Vancouver Canucks

6-2

202

Aug 31, 1984

#23, 2003


And, as always, there are the numbers. When they were 18, they posted identical .32 NHL Equivalencies.

Age 18 League GP G A P NHL PPG NHL82 G NHL82 A NHL82 P
Kesler NCAA 40 11 20 31 0.32 9 17 26
Pitlick WHL 56 27 35 62 0.32 11 15 26

And though Pitlick is off to a slow start in Oklahoma City with 4 points in 13 games, he needs to finish with 9 goals and 20 assists to match Kesler's 19 year old season, split between Manitoba and Vancouver.

Age 19 League GP G A P NHL PPG NHL82 G NHL82 A NHL82 P
Kesler AHL 33 3 8 11 0.15 3 9 12

NHL 28 2 3 5 0.18 6 9 15

Total - - - - 0.16 4 9 13
Pitlick* AHL 13 2 2 4 0.14 6 6 12

As he becomes more comfortable with the professional game, his offense should pick up, and 7 more goals and 18 more assists isn't an unreasonable expectation.

Pitlick tracks well against Kesler in nearly every aspect of the game: size, speed, position, skills, and stats.  But even after researching and writing this article, I'm still astonished that the two are similar.  I want him to become another Ryan Kesler just so the rest of the NHL can hate him.  The Oilers have been looking for a big, physical right-handed center since Jordan Eberle was in second grade (no, really, that's when Jason Arnott was run out of Edmonton) and they might finally have one coming.

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Really, really hope this kid pans out the way he should. It’s interesting, at the end of last season it was pretty much the consensus that Hamilton had a better season and seemed to be on his way to a better career, but it’s Pitlick who seems to have adjusted better to pro hockey. Not that he’s ripping it up exactly, nor is Hamilton playing awful, but from all reports it is Pitlick who has the better pro game at this time. Just goes to show one season a career does not make.

by EasyOil on Nov 15, 2011 7:41 AM MST reply actions  

Robbery

Pitlick at #31 was highway robbery.

by Marvellous on Nov 15, 2011 8:31 AM MST reply actions  

I remember that SB did a mock draft and Pitlick fell to the Oil at #31. He was snapped up with glee and I think it was Scott who said that it was only a shame he wouldn’t drop so far in the real draft.
Let’s hope this can be one of our draft steals – a sort of reverse Pouliot over Kesler type of thing.

by Yeti# on Nov 15, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

My bad – it was Derek that emphatically said there was no chance that Pitlick fell to 31st! And for good reason! In fact, why on earth did he fall so far?

by Yeti# on Nov 15, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

not least because the canucks spent their pick on 1/2 of keith ballard, which, meh.

by Passive Voice on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

While I agree that there are similarities between the two players, and that it would be grand if Pitlick was one day as good as Kesler, this comparison reminds me of the importance of gathering a group of players who share a similar path without excluding the failures rather than picking out the one with a similar profile that worked out the best.

The biggest fanana of the Havana Bananas.

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM MST reply actions  

I don’t get why you have to be so negative about everything.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

He’s a C&B writer, that’s why. We all have to be negative, it says so right in our contracts.

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

this comparison reminds me of the importance of gathering a group of players who share a similar path without excluding the failures rather than picking out the one with a similar profile that worked out the best.

I agree with this, even as I am guilty of this on occasion. Easy to get fixated on what seems like a real good comp. Everybody’s his own player though, hell, even the Sedins aren’t identical.

Slightly out of context, but it nonetheless reminds me of this great line written by Cam Cole about 20 years ago when Ted Green was “developing” both Petr Klima and migraines: “Glen Sather looks at Klima and imagines the peak; Green looks at Klima and sees fog above the tree line.”

The young ’uns are all befogged, pretty much, so in imagining the peak it probably is best to consider an entire range (pardon the pun) of comps.

Oilers fan through thick, thin and anorexic. Writer for The Cult of Hockey.

by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Seeing him play in OKC, I’m a Pitlick believer. The entire coaching staff rants and raves about his speed and intelligent stick handling at such a young age. He gets lots of Oilers management eyes when he plays as well.

Tending The Farm in OKC!

by Neal Livingston on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM MST reply actions  

Goes along with what i saw at rookie camp. Pitlick was the most impressive player there with his speed and stick skills.

by Jean-Luc Bugeaud on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM MST reply actions  

As if you haven’t seen this already …. watch at 2:28 Pitlick gives an awesome hit – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt6P09FBz38 I was at the game and the whole crowd reacted with a big “ohhhhhh”, it was nice!

by OilersBaronsFan on Nov 15, 2011 11:16 AM MST reply actions  

I think Ryan O’Mara’s strategy to make the NHL has become so desperate that he’s now simply growing his hair long in the hope that he will be confused with Ryan Jones.

by Yeti# on Nov 15, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

The main problem with your comparisons is that you’re not doing so based on birth year which would be more appopriate. Pitlick’s actual 18 year old season is his 09-10 season in college.

18 Year Old
Kesler 40 11-20-31 (NCAA)
Pitlick 38 11-8-19 (NCAA)

19 Year Old
Kesler 28 2-3-5 (NHL)
Pitlick 56 27-35-62 (WHL)

20 Year Old
Kesler 78 30-28-58 (AHL)
PItlick 13 2-2-4 (AHL)

Kesler easily outpaces Pitlick other than his split year in the AHL and NHL in 03-04, which I think speaks more to Kesler being turned pro earlier than he should have been.

by Double DD on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM MST reply actions  

So I do a year comp and I get “But he’s the youngest of his draft class, this isn’t fair, you aren’t accounting for that 6 months difference in development”!

When I do an actual age comp, I get “That’s not right, you need to go by draft class!”

I give up.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Nov 15, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, this is rather melodramatic.

Being in a different birth year would matter a lot more than a few months difference in age within the same year so you’ve chosen the less accurate option.

Plus, you’ve actually widened the age difference with the seasons you chose. Pitlick is 10 months older than Kesler in the comparisons you make. There’s only a 2 month gap if you go by birth year.

by Double DD on Nov 15, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ll take a Kesler-type player any day of the week, so long as he’s not the complete douche that #17 is. Prob the guy in the league I hate most these days.

by painfulloss on Nov 15, 2011 1:49 PM MST reply actions  

When it occured to me to have a look at the comparables, I was of course hoping it would be at least ballpark. Both big American centres who were mean, why not.

I was quite surprised that the numbers seemed so close, and thus posed the question to Derek – am I seeing this right?

I don’t think anyone is suggesting Pitlick is the next Kesler. But what a great surprise that it seems the Oilers have a really interesting prospect in him. And for the Oilers a unique prospect. They of course are high on all the new guys, but thinking back they seemed a little higher on Pitlick than any but Hall or RNH, and now I can see why. Plus he gives us a Tyler so everyone can forget about the other guy.

Godspeed Tyler, the team needs you.

by FastOil on Nov 15, 2011 5:33 PM MST reply actions  

Yes, because if he actually can play that role, we can stop with all the “Gagner is our future second line centre” crap.

by gcw_rocks on Nov 16, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

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