Oilers v. Red Wings - Judges 4:1-3
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 4:30 PM MST
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PrintOnce the losing appeared to be behind them, the Oilers did what was evil in God's sight, and became filled with hubris about their own ability. And so God began to give them into the hands of their enemies both Eastern and Western. Holland, the commander of the Red Wings, was based in Detroit. Because Holland had consistently built one of the best teams in the league, and because those teams had cruelly oppressed the entire Conference for twenty years, the Oilers turned from their hubris and cried out for God to help them.
Edmonton Oilers (9-4-2) @ Detroit Red Wings (7-5-1)
Joe Louis Arena, 5:30 p.m. MST
Television: Sportsnet Oilers
More analysis after the jump...
Home Team Scouting Report:
The Red Wings have had an interesting start to the season. They began with five straight wins, followed that with six straight losses, and then demolished the Ducks and Avalanche to get back on track. The club is still a pretty good one, but they're getting further and further removed from the dominant team that went to the Cup finals two years in a row. Their goal differential has declined from +78 and +51 in the two seasons that they made the SCFs to +13 and +20 in their last two seasons. The biggest reason, to my mind, is a procurement department that just hasn't procured well enough. Their best player under twenty-five is probably Darren Helm, and their best player under thirty is probably Valtteri Filppula. Those are both fine players, of course, but neither is able to carry a top line in the NHL, and as the core group continues to age, the Red Wings will have a hard time avoiding a more pronounced decline.
Expected Lineups:
Edmonton Oilers (9-4-2):
Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky
Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Jones - Belanger - Gagner
Paajarvi - Lander - Petrell
Smid - Gilbert
Sutton - Potter
Peckham - Petry
Khabibulin
Detroit Red Wings (7-5-1):
Cleary - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen
Abdelkader - Helm - Hudler
Miller - Emmerton - Eaves
Lidstrom - White
Kronwall - Stuart
Ericsson - Kindl
Howard
By the Numbers:
- The last time the Oilers came into a game with Red Wings as the team with the better record, was actually October 29, 2009. The Oilers had a record of 6-5-1 compared to just 4-4-2 for Detroit. The Oilers went on to finish in last place while the Red Wings made it to the second round of the playoffs.
- One of the best ways to measure shot quality would be through measuring shot distance. Unfortunately, the league's scorers make a lot of mistakes in this regard that they don't go back to correct. For example, Ryan Smyth's first goal last night is registered as a tip-in from 33 feet away - Smyth was standing right in front of the crease.
- Andy Sutton is back in the lineup tonight, taking the place of Cam Barker who's already gone back to Edmonton with a sore ankle. Sutton will provide the Oilers with some added toughness, and probably an extra penalty to kill too. Sutton comes into tonight 7th worst in the league (min. 10 GP) in penalties taken (2.7) and 5th worst in penalty differential (-2.4) per sixty minutes of five-on-five ice time. But that's not exactly a surprise: Sutton's been among the league's bottom thirty (min. 20 GP) in penalties taken in two of the last three seasons.
- Just fourteen players have averaged a point per game and played in 400 games since the 2005 lockout, and two of them play for the Red Wings: Pavel Datsyuk is fifth on that points per game list at 1.09, and Henrik Zetterberg is 13th at 1.03. The Oilers, unsurprisingly, don't have a representative. Th most surprising name on the list? Jason Spezza who stands fourth at 1.10.
- Tom Renney has been aggressive in making sure to get Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, and Jordan Eberle on the ice in favorable circumstances, but that hasn't kept him from giving them plenty of ice time. The three youngsters stand 3rd, 4th, and 5th among the team's forwards in ice time per game with each guy playing between 16.5 and 17.5 minutes per game.
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I’m really hoping that Paajarvi has good comeback game, both for his own sake and for the sake of keeping Eager in the press box for awhile.
Needs to pack some more muscle to his frame, one he does he could be unstoppable.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn’t count on it if he’s strapped to Lander and Petrell. They’re…not good.
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I know it would certainly break my heart.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
Certainly won’t help his mobility.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Gilbert and Smid, could use more of these guys.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sutton races over?
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:52 PM MST via mobile reply actions
What a shift by Smid
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:53 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I believe it hit petry and didn’t hit khabby the first time.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
My mistake, then; it looked like it bounced right off Khabibulin onto the Detroit player’s stick.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
Bad bounce off petry
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:53 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Gagner playing well so far.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 5:59 PM MST via mobile reply actions
So much for an effective penalty kill. Massive points to Khabibulin on that one.
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A disaster for sure.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
A bunch of 5 bell chances for Detroit on this powerplay.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:06 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Gilbert gives it to Peckham who gives it right back to Gilbert, lol.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:09 PM MST via mobile reply actions
5v5 hasn’t been too bad, but we got killed on the powerplay.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Hat trick :p
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Late in….heyzeus that power play was painful!
And Smid crashing the net? Where in Gegenna did that come from?
Also, Judges – Excellent choice. Let’s skip Ruth, shall we?
Damn, where’s the edit button? I can spell better than that.
by eddy the lip on Nov 11, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure the wheels have come off of Potter’s season
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He definitely doesnt look like the same player over the last couple of games. Then again if I was playing with anvils like barker or peckham…
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Come on Theo. That was Pitiful.
Now you see why Peckham throws it to Petry. Garbage. Peckham is…whatever
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Regression! Regression! Regression!
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:31 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Stop it!
Also, never said it before, but best avatar ever!
by eddy the lip on Nov 11, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks!
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOO! I’m a stupid hockey fan! My guy just got his butt kicked, but he pulled the other guy to the ice, so WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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I’m not sure I’d go that far. Petrell deserved the instigator there, although I hadn’t known there was a rule that you can’t have a visor on when you start a fight.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
Both Mickey Redmond and Larry Murphy used to be nice NHL players, but they’re as terrible at broadcasting as they were good at hockey. They’re awful
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True story: I lived in Michigan in the mid-90s for a bit, and used to watch the Red Wings on local TV. The only time I have ever sincerely cheered for the Flames was during a Detroit-Calgary game when Mickey Redmond got so obnoxious that I couldn’t take it any more.
Murphy and Redmond are the Jack Edwards of color commentary
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I really, really want Sutton and Barker to race.
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End to end? That’s 5 minutes of your life you wouldn’t get back.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
5? Are they taking Horse steroids before they race?
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I’m pretty sure time would start moving backwards.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Smid is really moving well out there tonight.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:38 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Maybe he took Sutton’s movements.
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Sutton moves? I thought he moved around by other players Pushing him up and down the ice?
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oilers down two already, I see. Can’t believe Jones actually drew a penalty on that sequence.
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Sloppy is too kind to describe this game.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
https://twitter.com/NHLbyMatty/status/135078207778074624
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Hemsky is safe everyone. He will be re-signed
https://twitter.com/NHLbyMatty/status/135077699961098241
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Whew!
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
http://twitter.com/DKingBH/status/135171271397875713
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Gold.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
“Nugent-Hopkins loves to work down low on the power play”
Uh, really?
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The kiddos really disappear on the road.
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Eberle and Hall didn’t disappear on the road like that as rookies
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They had horcoff on their line last year.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 7:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone, their grandmother, and their dogs know that Horcoff was only holding the kids back. Shit Hall wouldn’t have been hurt and both would have scored 100 points if not for Horc being a boat anchor on their line.
And that’s saying something, since dogs aren’t as clever as cats.
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So you saw that last year too? Man I was starting to think I was alone here…
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 7:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Giving Lander’s group the shift after the PP is almost cruel.
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Why? The fourth line has been effective all year
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It’s like the titanic – it’s going down
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as it happens considering my location, Titanic jokes dont go down so well …
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
Every team in the league has figured out how to play against Peckham. Chip the puck behind him, pressure him along the boards, watch him make a soft pass along the boards for a turnover.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 6:55 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Stauffer, Brownlee and Gregor say you severely underestimate QUALGRIT
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Oh is this a new advanced stat that I’m unaware of? I’d be interested to hear how it’s quantified.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 7:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Me too. I’ve been waiting for a long time
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Its’s easy to quantify. Simply ignore all underlying stats and comparisons and take into consideration how many times a player can take ill timed penalties and/or make unforced turnovers. Simple math. Fights offer bonus points. Also every time Stauffer praises your truculence during his show another math based stat is tossed out.
I wonder how the C&B crew feels about barking at me about sample sizes on Hopkins’ performances feels now?
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Really, though, I do think there’s more quick-magic there than I thought. I’m most surprised at his defensive awareness. Not perfect, but there’s a whole lotta promise there.
by eddy the lip on Nov 11, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly the same. Three games remains a poor sample with which to make a judgment, especially when those games are played under different circumstances than will be usual.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
But his home games are a good sample size? k.
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Don’t recall that I said that.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
Nope, but you’ve haven’t said a word when certain people set that forth.
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That the home sample is enough to make a good judgment on his level of play going forward? First, I don’t recall that being a major drum beating in anyone’s argument. What we knew five games ago was that the home sample was encouraging, the road one discouraging. The home sample really was both larger and more consistently “according to plan”. As such, I thought that there was a reasonable chance that Renney could effectively hide that line on the road, and that in doing so, that group might have similar success. This line of thinking doesn’t strike me as being unreasonable.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
First, I don’t recall that being a major drum beating in anyone’s argument.
GTFO
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I really don’t. I heard people criticize the small sample of road games, but I don’t recall anyone sounding off about how massive the home sample size was.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
Uh huh. So 4 road games was terrible and didn’t reflect true value, but 7 home games was fine and not worth a comment.
I reiterate, g t f o
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Look, if you can point to someone saying that the sample size at home was fantastic, then that’s great. You can’t do it.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
To reiterate (in case you’d like to discuss instead of shouting down with “GTFOs”): the argument was that the first three games on the road had some extenuating circumstances (i.e. started on different lines and were fed toughs, followed by no Hall, followed by second night of back-to-back and faced mostly an excellent possession line to boot). The results at home had been better in sheltered situations. Thus, it seemed reasonable to suggest that it was possible (i.e. not definite since we only had a small amount of home evidence) that the results would be substantially better on the road if Renney could find them similar situations by starting them in the OZ and giving them the shift after the opposition’s best line.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 9:40 PM MST up reply actions
I haven’t barked at anyone in awhile over anything (I miss it, really), but Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is not the problem with this team.
Nope. Nor is he the reason they won early.
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I think it’s been positive at home.
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Does anyone think that the recent ‘success’ has prompted better teams to take them seriously ?
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 6:57 PM MST reply actions
Nope. They’re just playing better teams now.
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but last year they could sneak a win in Detroit ?
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
my mistake – I was thinking of the win in Chicago last November I think
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
Sure wish the Oilers had a gifted offensive player they could call up from an affiliate to give a boost to the team’s offense, particularly the bottom 2 lines.
If only they had someone like that….
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Andrew Lord of course. We need more good Canadian boys with grit that will ‘pay the price’ and make the Oilers ‘tough to play against’.
Pffft, if only we could get rid of those foo foo soft Euros like Omark and Hartikainen, and that buttery Quebecois Cornet as well.
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Listening to the intermission commentary, I’d say send bring Pitlick up and send Gagner down. He adds nothing.
by eddy the lip on Nov 11, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
mps 4 and a half mins in 7 shifts thru 2
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 7:22 PM MST reply actions
Wow. That’s really not much at all. Did he look bad in the first?
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
when they had the 2 man they tried a bit harder
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 7:35 PM MST up reply actions
nice defence from RNH – Wheres Derek ?
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
To be fair, a few good shifts by RNH don’t mean that he played well in this game, any more than a few weak road games by RNH mean that he can’t hold his own without protection.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 7:39 PM MST up reply actions
This is the team I know and love, nice pressure, no finish.
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 7:36 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Great shift by Hall. All over the place in the OZ, and he made a great set-up for Lander and then almost made another one through to Petry.
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Hall’s been generally beautiful this game. Very much in the play maker mode.
by eddy the lip on Nov 11, 2011 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
Eberle-horcoff-smyth
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 7:37 PM MST via mobile reply actions
You mean a line consisting of vets and youth could be effective? Lies
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by OilLeak on Nov 11, 2011 7:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think you’re dead on. If I had to guess:
Smyth – Horcoff – Eberle
Hall – RNH – Hemsky
Paajarvi – Gagner – Jones
Eager – Belanger – Petrell
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 7:43 PM MST up reply actions
Do you see Lander getting HS’d for a couple of games, or sent to the minors? I think they’ll likely do one or the other fairly soon.
Both; healthy scratch until Hordichuk is ready to return, then down to the minors.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
Not a very good shift for Gagner there. Loses the puck just after the OZ blueline, can’t get to a puck battle on time on the next entry and then can’t handle a Belanger pass on their last foray.
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Well, I wouldn’t go that far. He’s had some really good shifts too. I do hope Renney shifts him back to center though.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t want to see him at center either. He’d easily be the worst defensive center on the team. The success the team has had is because of the centers. Gagner is a good player with no role to play on this team. His spot on the team should be taken by a power forward that can score a little.
I think he’s better than both Nugent-Hopkins and (especially) Lander right now, and that there are a couple of arrangements that would make sense with Gagner at center and Belanger centering a “defense-only” line.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
Better defensively, if that was unclear.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 8:04 PM MST up reply actions
Wow, Cam Fowler sure is logging a lot of ice time for a sophmore that got murdered on plus/minus last year. 25:45…yikes.
I want the Oilers to pot 3 quick ones right now just to see what the Detroit boys say about it.
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Think this one was over about 2 minutes after it started, to be honest.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 7:48 PM MST up reply actions
actually I thought the very start of the game (and each period bar pk) oilers looked half ok
by southampton viking on Nov 11, 2011 7:50 PM MST up reply actions
When a team is trailing for much of the game, and still being outshot in the dying minutes…that says something.
Oh well, another year of experience and a shot at maybe Galchenyuk or a stud D would be nice I suppose. Personally I want that Tartar…ethnic Tartars are killers, just look at Charles Bronson.
Also Tarasenko is just killing it in the KHL, can’t believe that guy fell all the way to 16, good trade for both teams, but I’d still rather have taken Tarasenko over Rundblad. Too bad the Oilers couldn’t have pulled off a Cogs + 2nd + Prospect for 15th or 16th overall after drafting Hall.
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Too soon to give up on the year. Game 5 of a 6-game road trip and the second half of a back-to-back against one of the best Western teams? This one was always going to be a tough one.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 11, 2011 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
Yup, they need to pick themselves up again, tweak the lines and get back at it on Sunday. Try to salvage a point in Chicago.
Dang, can this team use some Owen Nolan, just someone to give a little push back in games like this.
I would be delighted if the club picked up a vet winger. Mike Grier is my preference of the guys I remember being available, but I’ll admit that there’s quite a bit of sentimentality in that.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 11, 2011 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
Personally I want that Tartar…ethnic Tartars are killers, just look at Charles Bronson.
And they have awesome hats.
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Matty is griping about Gagner – he’s gone.
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Why? He’s been stellar in his own zone, moreso than Hopkins, Belanger or Lander. Lander and Petrell are bringing very little to the table right now
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Are the Oilers trying to build this team around Hopkins and Lander or are we not done building around Gagner yet? Lander has a degree of compete and responsibility in his play that I’m sure Renney likes, I don’t blame him, I like it too. Just moving Gagner to center doesn’t mean he’s all of the sudden going to start scoring again. The Oilers are better off preaching team defense right now, they will be much better off for it down the road.
They paid Belanger to be a center here, so obviously he’s going to be here.
Lander has a degree of compete and responsibility in his play that I’m sure Renney likes
And yet he’s still terrible.
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