Oilers v. Bruins - Psalm 123:1-4
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 10, 2011 4:30 PM MST
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We lift our eyes to you,
O God who reigns in heaven.
We look to you for mercy;
We call on your name for deliverance;
We beg you, O Yahweh, to judge our enemies.
Have mercy on us, O Yahweh, have mercy.
For we have patiently endured several years of your discipline;
Surely, we have been subjected to more than our share of arrogant scoffing,
to more prideful contempt from our enemies than you will allow.
Have mercy on us, O Yahweh,
and let your righteous judgment come.
Edmonton Oilers (9-3-2) @ Boston Bruins (6-7-0)
TD Garden, 5:00 p.m. MST
Television: Sportsnet Oilers
More analysis after the jump...
Home Team Scouting Report:
The Bruins have had a tough start to the season, but if you were to ask me, "What's wrong with the Bruins?" the simple answer is, "Nothing". There are an awful lot of reasons to think that this team will be just fine. Their Fenwick percentage with the score tied at even strength is a solid 52.0%, and the shot metrics on special teams suggest that their penalty killing has been very good while the power play has been about average. The team is filled with players who have proven themselves capable of the role they're being asked to provide in the past, and in some cases, are in the cases of Zdeno Chara, Tim Thomas, and Patrice Bergeron, they're likely some of the very best in the league. To this point, the Bruins have lost more than their fair share of one-goal games (their record in one-goal games is 1-6 compared to 5-1 in games decided by two or more), which probably isn't going to continue going forward. The Bruins are an excellent team, and should end the season near the top of the Eastern Conference.
Expected Lineups:
Edmonton Oilers (9-3-2):
Smyth - Horcoff - Hemsky
Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Jones - Belanger - Gagner
Eager - Lander - Petrell
Smid - Gilbert
Peckham - Potter
Barker - Petry
Dubnyk
Boston Bruins (6-7-0):
Marchand - Bergeron - Seguin
Lucic - Krejci - Horton
Caron - Kelly - Peverley
Pouliot - Campbell - Thornton
Chara - Boychuk
Seidenberg - Corvo
Ference - McQuaid
Rask
By the Numbers:
- With seven goals, Ryan Smyth is on pace to score a career-high forty-one this season. But his 18.9% shooting percentage is higher than he's been able to sustain for any one season of his career. Although he did shoot 19.3% with the Oilers in 2006-07 before being traded to the Islanders at the deadline.
- The Oilers have received goals from just seven different forwards: Ryan Smyth, Shawn Horcoff, Ryan Jones, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle, and Lennart Petrell. If we count both Jones and Hemsky as top six forwards (since that's where they've played for the most part), the bottom two lines have scored one goal on eight-nine shots for a combined shooting percentage of 1.1%.
- Ryan Smyth and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins are currently 1-2 in the "Ryan" scoring race with 14 and 12 points respectively. Ryane Clowe (11), Ryan Malone (10), and Ryan O`Reilly (10) round out the top five.
- No one has played more minutes without registering a point than Ladislav Smid's 289. Smid has a sixteen-minute cushion on second-place Robyn Regehr. This also seems like a good time to remind everyone that if Smid can make it the whole season without scoring, he'll become just the third player in the history of the NHL to have four seasons with at least sixty games played and no goals. One of the others is Fern Flaman. He has inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame.
- The Oilers sent both Colten Teubert and Taylor Chorney to Oklahoma City, which leaves them with just six eligible defensemen for both tonight and the Oilers' next game against the Detroit Red Wings. Seems like a pretty useless risk to me.
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Pleading with the hockey gods, can’t hurt to try.
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 4:56 PM MST via mobile reply actions
NHL All-Star game candidates announced
Khabibulin, Whitney, Hall, Eberle & Smyth are the Oilers’ contributions. Vote early, vote often!
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The All-Star game is no place for soft defensemen!
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by Benjamin Massey on Nov 10, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
He’s the Rodney Dangerfield of the Edmonton Oilers.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 5:16 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
More fail by the NHL to not realize that Whitney is on the IR.
by TakeoutArtist on Nov 10, 2011 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
Bad turnover after that faceoff though
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To be fair, MPS is the new Cogliano.
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by Benjamin Massey on Nov 10, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
At least each line is giving up chances in an equal distribution
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Ben Eager may have just attempted the worst clear I’ve ever seen
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Ben Eager then makes a stupid play carrying the puck. Carry the damn thing deep and hold possession
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This is not off to a great start. Giving up chances left and right, and everyone’s scrambling in the D-zone.
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Things are bad when Horcoff’s line is swimming.
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This is Oiler hockey!
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 5:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Boston’s on pace for over 60 shots at this pace.
by TakeoutArtist on Nov 10, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure if that last one is on Potter or Peckham. Seemed like Potter completely abandoned his position because he didn’t have faith in Peckham playing his man properly, and you can’t do that because it leaves another guy open. But… his lack of faith is justified.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 10, 2011 5:19 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Wondering if you should be calling your bookie?
by eddy the lip on Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
Last year, it was sum watching the games…this year it’s Ben writing the recaps…better than tip sheets.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 5:40 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully the Bruins sit back on this lead. The Oilers need some time to get into the game.
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The Oilers need a five minute power play.
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The Oilers need Boston in the dressing room.
by TakeoutArtist on Nov 10, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
It can’t be Anybody that makes sense, like barker.
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 5:25 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The radio guys were all over Hemsky after the first Bruins’ goal, so maybe that’s where it’s coming from in this case.
For what? He didn’t screen Dubnyk
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Someone give him a ham sandwich.
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DeBrusk said the same thing. Two flybys in the corner, didn’t clear the puck. I need to have another look.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 10, 2011 8:45 PM MST up reply actions
What in the hell Ben Eager? I’m so glad Ben Eager is on the roster in place of Linus Omark
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I’m glad Paajarvi is in the press box and Ben Eager is on the ice.
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Yeah, terrible from Eager. Dubnyk looked lost on the play as well.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 10, 2011 5:26 PM MST up reply actions
Me too, remember when he hit all of those players before? Awesome…
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 5:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Did you see all of those Bruins running scared during his last shift?
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Terrified.
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 5:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nah – limp touch passes to the middle in your own zone are a great idea.
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He’s a hitting Machine!!!!! Toughness, Sandpaper, Grit and all that
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 5:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I’m at work, not watching the game, but I assume Ben Eager is intimidating the puck away from our net.
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by Benjamin Massey on Nov 10, 2011 5:26 PM MST reply actions
If by “away from”, you mean “into”, then yes.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 5:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Ben Eager just got the prettiest assist of his career on that last Bruins goal.
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Theo Peckham is instant offense.
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Great puck battle by Smyth and Hemsky to win that puck.
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Good thing too, cause he’s sure not much on defense.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
For which team?
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 5:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Whoops, sorry. I’ll hold off 15 seconds or so.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
This is what happens when Ben Eager is stapled to the bench.
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Gorgeous assist by Hall! Awesome soft spot lurk by Hopkins.
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The funny thing is that I was just watching Oil Change this morning, and Hall has a line about how he’s looking forward to getting feeds from RNH. It’s been the other way around so far this year.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 5:34 PM MST up reply actions
He scowled at them pretty ferociously from the bench.
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 5:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
“JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL I GET ON THE ICE TO SET YOU UP AGAIN!”
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So, why aren’t the Oilers playing a 1-3-1 going for overtime again?
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by Benjamin Massey on Nov 10, 2011 5:39 PM MST reply actions
The GIlbert / Potter pairing is taking a beating and it’s the Gilbert / Smid pairing with 2 GA.
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I need to watch this period again, but I think Peckham has given the puck to Petry on every zone exit so far.
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On the first goal, Gilbert wins the puck battle up to Hemsky and Horcoff and gets off the ice – Petry jumps on as Smyth scores.
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Nice puck win by Gagner behind the net there.
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The four killers were excellent on the first shift.
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The first ten minutes were about as bad as I’ve seen this team so far this season. But I guess they deserve some credit for pulling out of it.
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by Scott Reynolds on Nov 10, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
Big credit for the Oilers for battling back.
by TakeoutArtist on Nov 10, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
At the 18:50 mark of the first, Lucic is coasting into the zone with the puck and Barker is so slow, he still gets beat wide. Lucic was coasting.
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Great job of marking Caron by Gagner at the 17:55 mark too. Gagner had another really nice period.
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Well now I just wasted 15 minutes of my life having to defend the notion that good hockey players are better than bad ones (even if the bad ones are “tougher”) on twitter. Why do you do this to myself?
Derek just posts the links so we can laugh at them. It’s a waste of time to actually argue with people like that.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions
It’s great that Gregor was one of the monkeys arguing with you
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Good evening everyone.
Watching from across the ocean, does anyone have an idea where I can find a live stream? Cheers.
I liken Smyth’s return to the Oilers with Frankenstein’s monster. Life has been breathed into a patchwork of rotting flesh, resulting in an awesome and terrifying abomination.
Uh, you know that Frankenstein ended with the monster killing several people, leading his creator into an arctic wasteland, and committing suicide, right?
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We’ll see how the season plays out. There could be a lot more parallels.
by TakeoutArtist on Nov 10, 2011 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
That’s kind of what I’m worried about…
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
Peckham's touches in the first:
16:05 – Hard around the dzone on the backhand.
12:16 – loose pucks comes to him in Dzone, immediately throws puck to Petry.
11:54 – Gagner throws loose puck to Peckham in the dzone, throws puck to Petry.
11:39 – Bruins clear puck, Peckham chases down in dzone, throws backhand off the boards to Petry.
10:10 – Nugent-Hopkins wins neutral zone faceoff to Peckham in th dzone, immediately throws puck to Petry.
9:50 – Gets Bruins dump in behind the net, immediate backhand around to Eberle
7:58 – Shot on gal deflected in by Smyth.
5:40 – Snags Bruins dump in and makes outlet pass to Eager in NZ
5:18 – takes pass from Petry in DZ, skates to blue line, throws it back to Petry in DZ
2:17 – off of faceoff win, Petry passes to Peckham in DZ, Peckham immediately throws puck to Petry.
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So what your saying is that Peckham should be a winger, right?
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 6:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Petry is either going to have a boatload of second assists or a ton of turnovers this year.
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I guess we know what their WOWY stats look like.
by eddy the lip on Nov 10, 2011 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
Remember the number of handles here, especially when the sharps like dawgbone and Dennis are cranking about Petry’s turnovers.
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Oilers have decided to be a shot blocking team and it’s cost them 3 goals tonight.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
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I know what the next tactics article is about!
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That Smid one is really grinding on me right now.
His job is to make sure Marchand doesn’t get to the puck and he ignores Marchand’s stick to cover up for the shot block.
I know it’s tough and all, but your goalie is wearing lots of equipment and gets paid a lot of money to stop shots.
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Blame that one on Hemsky. After a nice takeaway, he bobbled a pass, tried and failed to put it deep in the Boston zone during a change, and the puck promptly got skated straight in for the goal.
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Both Potter and Barker went for a line change before the puck was actually dumped in. Terrible decision-making.
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Well, we’ve seen this script already once this evening. Let’s hope that the second act works out the same as it did last time!
Ben should do this game. The Oilers have played ten minutes of chaos to start each period and it’s been awful
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He’s not “tough” and “gets his show run”
Stauffer is a mouth-breather.
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To be fair, you have to breathe pretty rapidly when your suits are that tight.
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by Benjamin Massey on Nov 10, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Radio guys are concerned about Lander – apparently he’s left the bench. Anybody who’s watching the game notice anything amiss with him?
Haven’t noticed him at all, although admittedly I’ve been cringing in terror for large portions of the game.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
http://twitter.com/maddenjohnny/status/134804403327746048
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Really nice backcheck by Eberle on that Marchand rush.
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https://twitter.com/OMJason/status/134804722421989376
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Haha, quality. Brings to mind Charlie Simmer who said during one game last year ‘Staios isn’t afraid to back down from anyone."
NESN Trivia Question
Who is the only goaltender to get 100 wins with both the Oilers and the Bruins?
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Not Ranford, not enough wins for the Bruins. Probably Moog.
by TakeoutArtist on Nov 10, 2011 6:37 PM MST up reply actions
Moog, indubitably.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 10, 2011 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
Horcoff & Smyth
They have another excellent PK shift. It’s funny to watch them read each other when they attack the points
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Gagner had another excellent period in his own zone.
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Potter and Barker have struggled all night. Barker is a failed experiment.
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Brickley keeps calling Lennart Petrell “Petrel” like the bird and Edwards calls Petry “pehtree”
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http://twitter.com/chri5gut/status/134813929795887104
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So Edmonton extracts a pound of flesh in this one – Ference is down and out.
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Hall isn’t being swoopy. More swoopy, Taylor.
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When he’s on, he swoops around the offensive zone like a bird of prey
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Dawgbone was right – everyone’s figured out the Oilers power play.
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The 2nd unit looked strong.
If Belanger can figure out the one-timer it could get very dangerous.
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Paajarvi and Omark in, Lander and Eager out.
I really hope that Sutton’s return doesn’t mean Petry goes to the AHL. He’s the team’s 3rd best defenseman on the road trip.
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Tomorrow. He sat out last home game, & first 4 of trip.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 10, 2011 8:59 PM MST up reply actions
I forgot he was suspended for that first one before he was actually suspended.
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It’s true. Barker is the very incarnation of size and you certainly can’t teach him.
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by Benjamin Massey on Nov 10, 2011 7:31 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Eberle goes for the cute pass rather than just putting it at the goal from the slot.
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I don’t get it. Hemsky grabs the puck and everyone just stands there.
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That was a helluvan effort by Hemsky
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He got the cross-ice pass on the weak side and didn’t shoot (he should have), he held it for a second and waited for Smyth to rotate around and threw it in off of Smyth
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Nice work, Cam. He’s sub-replacement.
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Unbelievably stupid. We’d be doing better with 5 defenders.
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by Ben Johnston on Nov 10, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
No arguments here. He should be in the AHL or the KHL.
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Hall with the brutal turnover, Cam Barker with the worst step up in the zone ever.
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My first accusation of negativity! You make me feel warm inside.
by eddy the lip on Nov 10, 2011 7:44 PM MST up reply actions
With some minor lineup modifications it doesn’t need to be that way.
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 9:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
http://twitter.com/LisaMcRitchie/status/134824595277627392
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Ouch, a shot against one of your own?
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 9:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!
I didn’t even see who tweeted it!
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Cast and all, I bet he could still best Barker in a foot race.
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by OilLeak on Nov 10, 2011 9:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He could best Barker if he were on a sledge
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by Derek Zona on Nov 10, 2011 10:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
http://twitter.com/OR_TMC/status/134830453235523584
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Eager has good size and he was pushing pucks into the middle of the oilers zone.
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by dawgbone98 on Nov 11, 2011 7:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
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