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Ladislav Smid #5 In the Oilers Top 25 Under 25

Ladislav Smid played 253 games before he turned 24 years old.  From 2000-2009, 336 defensemen played an NHL game before they turned 24 years old.  In that time period, Smid ranks in a tie for thirteenth in games played under the age of 24 behind Brent Burns, Dion Phaneuf, Brent Seabrook, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Jay Bouwmeester, Robyn Regehr, Ossi Vaananen, Vitaly Vishnevski, Andrej Meszaros, Nick Schultz, Dmitri Kalinin, and David Tanabe.  He's tied with Alexander Edler and Rostislav Klesla.  Taken as a whole, this group of comparables is impressive company for Smid to keep.  While Smid has struggled at times, and what young defensemen rushed to the NHL to play for teams like the last four installments of the Oilers wouldn't, he's also shown flashes of play that signify he does belong in the conversation with the group above.  

Comparing Smid's games played to other current Oiler defenders put's Smid's experience in perspective:

Tom Gilbert 307 GP - 27 years old
Kurtis Foster 303 GP - 28 years old
Ladislav Smid 298 GP - 24 years old

Should Smid stay healthy, his games played totals will near 600 at this point in his 28-year-old season.  However, longevity on a terrible team and generating appearances on the ice isn't the only thing Smid has going for him - there's a real defender in there and we've seen flashes of that defender at times over the last two seasons.

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RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JonScott
5 Ladislav Smid  2/1/86
9 2004
8 9 8 5 6

Previous Rank: 5

None of our writers ranked Smid lower than fifth overall this summer, but Ben, Bruce and myself have all dropped him to the bottom of the top ten.  Jonathan and Scott's high rankings keep him fifth overall, however. If I was re-ranking today, Smid would be much higher - my ranking for him was influenced by the supposed stagnation, even regression in his game early in the season.  But the numbers disagree to an extent and I was heavily influenced by the "saw him bad' viewpoint that I rally against so fervently.  His scoring chances at the quarter pole show him as the top Edmonton defender.  Of course, he was playing on the second pairing with Tom Gilbert and theoretically the minutes should have been easier.  But early in the season, he was sent to the third pairing and spent significant time with Foster and Jason Strudwick at his side, a recipe for disaster, especially for Smid as evidence piles up that he is at his best with a part who possesses deft puck-handling skill and he's at his replacement-level worst when paired with "character" or "rugged" defensemen.  Dennis King at MC79hockey.com, has been counting scoring chances for the Oilers for two seasons and his data has revealed some interesting information about Smid, his game and his partners

Smid's 2009-10 even strength scoring chance WOWY with Lubomir Visnovsky:

Smid WOWY SCF SCA CH%
With Visnovsky 184 161 0.533
W/O Visnovsky 41 92 0.308

 

2010-11 with Jeff Petry:

Smid WOWY SCF SCA CH%
With Petry 57 48 0.543
W/O Petry 135 175 0.435

 

2010-11 with Jeff Petry and Tom Gilbert:

Smid WOWY SCF SCA CH%
W 77 or 58 92 86 0.516
W/O 77 or 58 100 137 0.421

 

The total chances data is still under 1000 chances, but there's a clear trend.  Give Smid a partner capable of handling the puck and pushing it up the ice via skating ability or passing ability and Smid is a bonafide NHL defender.  Pair him with Steve Staios, Foster, or Strudwick and the results are brutal.

With a partner like Petry, Smid's ceiling is significantly higher, possibly even worthy of his 9th overall draft slot.  Consider Smid's numbers in comparison to another Czech defenseman, Rostislav Klesla.  Like Smid, Klesla was fast-tracked to the NHL by poor management, though Klesla was an NHL regular at the age of nineteen, not twenty like Smid.  Through their first five full NHL seasons (with Smid's 2010 numbers projected) their numbers are close enough to compare:

Smid Klesla
GP 327 320
G 4 27
A 40 59
P 44 86
PLMI -44 -61
P/G 0.134 0.268
TOI 6437 5953

 

The Blue Jackets' goal differential over this measure period was -306 and the Oilers -230 (projected).  Essentially, the Oilers have a less offensive version of Rostislav Klesla.  It's possible that Smid's numbers would be better, much better if he wouldn't have been forced to play Steve Staios' hard around clearing passes for a season, or if he could have avoided Marc-Andre Bergeron for any period of time.  Either way the Oilers have the makings of a shutdown defenseman in Smid.

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I must say that when I saw Omark at number 6, it meant that Smid was at 5th and I wasnt too thrilled about it. To me it has looked like Peckman has surpassed Smid on the depth charts, as when everyone was healthy, Smid was playing on the bottom pairing.
While I had noticed and even remarked in one of the GDT about him paying much better with PMDs, I did not realize that the difference was this stark. I always attributed 5s emergence to visnovsky carrying him and them both having a sheltered role.
After reading your analysis, now I am not too sure. I think I have been undervaluing Smid

Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs

by SumOil on Jan 30, 2011 12:29 PM MST reply actions  

Ladislav Smid is a bonafide NHL player. But he’s either a #4 or #5 defender; a useful player, but not one of your key difference makers. He should be in the top ten, but I would have all of Marincin, Hamilton, Omark, Petry and Peckham ahead of him.

by David Supina on Jan 30, 2011 12:57 PM MST reply actions  

Ladislav Smid is a bonafide NHL player. But he’s either a #4 or #5 defender; a useful player, but not one of your key difference makers.

He’s only 24 and he’s already got a career under his belt. Defensemen evolve slower than Alligators so it wouldn’t surprise me to see him evolve into Zbynek Michalek. Barring injury, the best stretch of his career will be the next seasons.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 30, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Completely off topic, but it looks like well over 1/4 of NHL players love sitting on the IR with knee/leg injuries;

What rink has the best ice? Rexall Place (Edmonton Oilers), 37%

Clearly this concussion epidemic is far worse than we thought.

Source: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/allstar/poll/arenas-and-teams/which-rink-has-the-best-ice/

by jeanshorts on Jan 30, 2011 1:26 PM MST reply actions  

They must have polled players that retired in or before 1998!!!

by PerryK on Jan 30, 2011 10:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Though it does neatly defeat the argument that players don’t want to come to Edmonton because of “facilities.” The ice is fine, in the estimation of the guys who should know best, and the dressing room is recently-renovated and fancy and shit. The players experience no part of LITERALLY. CRUSH., so from their perspective, there’s nothing to complain about at Northlands Coliseum. Plus, I’d bet they love the history of the House That Wayne Didn’t Quite Build But Certainly Made Relevant.

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by Doogie2K on Jan 31, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions  

When talking about Smid’s games played by age, it should be pointed out that if he was born one day earlier he would be an entire year older by Hockey-Reference.com’s standards. His birthday is Feb. 1, thus he turns 25 before the next game but will be “credited” with this entire season as his age 24 year.

I realize there’s no sane way to collect mass data by actual birthday, just thought I’d mention that Smid will always have an advantage in this type of stat.

Still pisses me off that H-R chose Jan 31 as a cutoff and not Dec 31. The latter would have been SOOO much simpler to figure, just birth year would do it.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 30, 2011 1:43 PM MST reply actions  

One of the nice things about Smid is that he will never produce enough offence to get over paid. I just hope that it’s the Oilers that are astute enough to sign him to a value contract and not another team.

by Matt.N on Jan 30, 2011 3:03 PM MST reply actions  

So am I right in concluding that Smid is the type of player who needs to be carried by his partner? That’s the impression I’m getting. He isn’t reliable enough to be put on a “shutdown” pair with another physical stay at home defender without bleeding chances against.

Petry has already shown he’s able to push the puck in the right direction. Peckham has shown he handles the physicality of the position better than Smid. I’m not sure I get the #5 ranking at this point.

I guess the fact that he has played a significant amount of games on a team desperate for anyone who can play defence. If he was still eligible for the top 25 under 25 next time around he would drop significantly unless he improved drastically. He’s already being surpassed by two less experienced d-men in Petry and Peckham.

by wolfmand on Jan 31, 2011 10:19 AM MST reply actions  

He won’t be “under 25” as of tomorrow. That said, I object to your characterization as to him being “carried” by his partner. Agreed Smid works best in a partnership with a puck-mover, but he contributes to such partnerships. For one thing, if he’s paired with a guy who can get Ladi himself the puck in space, he can move with it and contribute to the attack at least somewhat; if his partner is a “steadying” influence like Steady Steve or Stationary Struds who gets Ladi the puck when his face is pressed against the glass, not so much.

Sure Smid played better when paired with Visnovsky last year, but by the same token Lubo played better when paired with Ladi as well. From timeonice.com :

Lubo & Ladi together: +26/-19
Lubo without Ladi: +15/-19
Ladi without Lubo: +9/-12

Shots data show a more extreme shift for Ladi than Lubo, but still the pairing was good for both of them however you slice it. WOWY seems to be a two-way street in this case.

By my eye Smid has been carrying his weight in the Petry pairing as well.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Visnovsky Scoring Chance WOWY 2009-10

Visnovsky…CF…CA…CH%
Year Total…286…281…0.504
WIth Smid…184…161…0.533
W/O Smid…102…120…0.459

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by Derek Zona on Jan 31, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s a bit of a stunner, to the point where I wonder who his partner was when it wasn’t Smid. Steady Steve?

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by Doogie2K on Jan 31, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Check out timeonice.com, using the nifty &shawn=71 function (all players performance with Visnovsky). Give it a minute to load. Basically Lubo was a plus player for goals and shots with Ladi, and more or less break even or a little worse in both categories with all the other defencemen.

I’m sure missing this type of info this season. For some reason the stats are available on a game-by-game basis, but the pages that keep the cumulative totals haven’t been loaded up as yet.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2011 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s a plus player with a puck mover. He’s a good defenseman, he is not yet able to move the puck out himself though.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 31, 2011 7:53 PM MST up reply actions  

To be clear, I’m not doubting Smid as a capable defenceman. I’m just shocked at the starkness of the contrast.

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by Doogie2K on Jan 31, 2011 11:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn’t think you were, but Smid takes a beating. Given what we know about him, any time he’s out there getting beat up, it seems like poor coaching strategy.

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by Derek Zona on Jan 31, 2011 11:44 PM MST up reply actions  

… which is pretty much anytime he’s out there with Staios, Strudwick, Foster … you’d think they’d have it figured out by now, and maybe they do.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 1, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind a Smid-Petry bottom pairing for the near future.

They just need a real dman to pair with Whitney for the toughs.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 1, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m not sure that’s a ringing endorsement of Smid given the other defense pairing options. Visnovsky and Smid did work very well together though….

I’m on the fence with this guy. He takes too many big hits and is injured a little too often for my liking. My eyes also seem to tell me that for a big guy, who’s listed at 6’3" and 226lbs, he seems to lack strength. He’s only about 8 lbs lighter than Peckham yet he doesn’t seem to be able to punish people or physically intimidate anywhere near as well. He tries but it seems like he isn’t working.

by wolfmand on Jan 31, 2011 11:29 PM MST reply actions  

seems like it doesn’t work.

by wolfmand on Jan 31, 2011 11:30 PM MST up reply actions  

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