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Ryan Martindale - #15 In Edmonton's Top 25 Under 25

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Martindale has all the tools to be a player, he just really lacks the consistency and drive to warrant a first or second round selection...Martindale lacks the competitiveness you like to see out of NHL players, and unless he starts to find some jam in his game I have a hard time envision him making the jump to the NHL in the future. He's even going to find that there's a lot of players with drive in the AHL, and unless he turns his game up a notch night in, night out, he could find himself quickly sliding down Edmonton's prospect depth chart.

--The Scouting Report

Big pivot has three OHL campaigns under his belt and still shows the same mind-numbing lack of effort and passion we saw in him playing minor hockey, when he was being touted as a can't miss prospect.  But is easily pushed off the puck by smaller d-men. Soft and doesn't compete. Loses all the little battles and in not wild about contact.

--Red Line Report

Scouts love his size and skill. His work ethic and consistency? Not so much.  "He's one of those kids who plays well when I'm not there," one scout joked. "The kid puts up numbers, but I don't see a consistent effort to go with the skill package.  "Does he want to be a player?" another scout asked. "At times, this kid showed he could dominate games. There were times this season when he took Ottawa on his back and he was very good in the playoffs, but the consistency is just not there. He has a great frame, but I have issues with his work ethic."


--The Hockey News.

Martindale has first round skill coupled with late round competitiveness. At times he can dominate a game, and at other times, you will struggle to realize he’s on the ice. Martindale could be a steal if he can find some passion and drive in his game and utilize his size, but if he doesn’t he’ll have a rough adjustment to professional hockey.


--The Scouting Report

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RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JonScott
15 Ryan Martindale
10/27/91
61 2010
7 15 23 17 11

 

Previous Rank:  18

 


Age NHLE82 G NHLE82 A NHLE82 P
2007-08 15 3 3 6
2008-09 16 10 11 21
2009-10 17 7 16 23
2010-11 18 15 20 35

 

So there you have it.  Ryan Martindale is a big -- 6'3", 190 lbs -- playmaking center who oozes skill and ability.  His NHLE numbers look outstanding, especially for a third round pick. In fact, Scott's work on NHLE shows Martindale to be the 10th most productive forward from the 2010 draft class, even though he was the 42nd forward selected.  From that article:

A couple of Ottawa 67's have also been very impressive.  Tyler Toffoli and Ryan Martindale both make the top ten on this list after falling to the second and third round in the draft respectively.  The fact that both of them are there is each man's problem in a nutshell.  The thought is that each player has problems that may prevent him from doing well at the next level, even if they don't preclude them from being dominant together in junior.  The knocks on Martindale?  Things like effort, consistency, passion, and a certain je ne sais quoi that scouts just don't see.  Now, maybe it's because I've heard that Dustin Penner is the laziest man on the planet about one thousand one hundred and eighty one times, but I honestly have a hard time getting worked up about that stuff when the offensive results are there and the guy in question is a 6'3'' center.

What we have here is a classic stats vs. "saw him bad" disagreement.  And while I'm partial to stats argument myself, it's a certain set of stats that caused me to rank Martindale the lowest amongst our group of writers.  Specifically, Martindale has finally put together big offensive numbers during his 18-year-old season, but he's doing it while centering Toffoli and Shane Prince.  Toffoli was selected in the second round (#47) by the Los Angeles Kings in the 2010 draft and Prince is ranked #35 in Bob McKenzie's mid-term rankings for the 2011 draft.  In fact, both Toffoli and Prince are outscoring Martindale -- Toffoli's NHLE82 P is 43 and Prince's 41 compared to Martindale's 35.  How much of Martindale's sudden offensive outburst is directly attributable to the time he's spent with the two second round picks? 

Until that question is solved, I'm going to rely on his stats history, which from above shows an NHLE82 P of 23 and 21.  That Martindale has finally solved this game is a possibility, and Ben's #7 ranking reflects that, but until such a time comes that evidence is available that the big center is responsible for driving play, and has some success at a higher level, I'll focus on his history.

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My word, Ben, 7th? Are you sleeping with this guy or something?

by Yeti# on Jan 22, 2011 11:39 AM MST reply actions   2 recs

When I saw Martindale, I was sure Scott would have ranked him the highest. I saw a 11th from Scott and I said hah…then I saw Ben’s rankings!

by SumOil on Jan 22, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

What can I say, I like big centres who score piles of points and are pretty good defensively but get tagged “lazy” by the same shitty journalists who tell us Dustin Penner is a waste of money.

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by Benjamin Massey on Jan 22, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Ben – it isn’t just shitty journalists that are questioning his attitude, there’s some reputable scouting agencies and coaching staff who have cast that tag upon him. However, I hope you’re right.

by Yeti# on Jan 23, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing that a 6’3" centre who everyone says has 1st round skills is simply leaching off his wingers. Centres (generally speaking) are at least as important as the guys on their wings, if not more so. I haven’t seen the kid play, but nothing I’ve heard apart from the attitude thing makes me believe he can’t be a good player. And even then, it sounds like he’s not taking nights off this year so thats only a good thing.

by EasyOil on Jan 22, 2011 1:33 PM MST reply actions  

Well I cant remember where, but Scott once remarked that Martindale is a big center who gets points and is said to be lazy. He said that his scouting report sounds an awful lot like Penner’s and watching Penner play, we ought to give Martindale the benefit of doubt. That said, he is ranked pretty much where he should be. Not too high and not low. He is the 15th best player in the organisation under the age of 25, so that includes all playing in the Nhl and Ahl. Not bad for a recently drafted 3rd rounder if you ask me.

by SumOil on Jan 22, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

The knocks on Martindale? Things like effort, consistency, passion, and a certain je ne sais quoi that scouts just don’t see. Now, maybe it’s because I’ve heard that Dustin Penner is the laziest man on the planet about one thousand one hundred and eighty one times, but I honestly have a hard time getting worked up about that stuff when the offensive results are there and the guy in question is a 6’3’’ center.

Its from Scotts work on the NHLEs for drafted forwards from the article Derek linked on his post.

by SumOil on Jan 22, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

This is what happens when you reply to comments before reading the article…lol…He has quoted Scott too!

by SumOil on Jan 22, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Derek this would be Martindale’s 19 year old season as he was born in October. So those numbers would be more like his 16, 17, 18 and 19 yr old seasons respectively.

by SumOil on Jan 22, 2011 1:55 PM MST reply actions  

Using NHLE in this way is an interesting way to frame the issue, but I’m not buying it (I don’t even really think it’s fair). While his NHLE prior to this season is lower, that should be true of every player drafted out of the CHL who then continues to play in the CHL. Martindale was one of the best scorers from the 2010 draft both this year, and in 2008-09. I couldn’t find similar data (I didn’t look all that hard though, so it might be out there) for last season, but he was just one point off being a point per game (a bit more if you include playoffs) so I don’t imagine he’d fall way off the list because of that. The argument that he’s not driving offense on the team is worth considering (he and Toffoli have been together pretty much all down the line I think), but his stats history has been reasonably consistent in suggesting that he belongs near the top of his draft class.

Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 22, 2011 3:29 PM MST reply actions  

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