Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Despite Relocation Drama, Coyotes Overcome Adversity

#20 - Liam Reddox

It's awfully hard not to like that.

Liam Reddox qualifies for this list by less than a month, which means this will be his last appearance on the Top 25 Under 25 no matter what happens from here on out.  Truth be told, I'll miss having Reddox on this list.  For the last several Top 25's Reddox has been my barometer.  Every time a player's name came up I got to ask if the player had a decent chance of playing more than a marginal role in the NHL  Yes?  Put him above Reddox.  No?  Underneath he goes.  Having ranked Reddox the lowest, I may just be the most optimistic guy here on the Oilers' prospects as a whole!

Star-divide


RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JonScott
20 Liam Reddox 1/27/86
112 2004
20 21 15
20 25

 

Previous rank: 24

If I'm the most optimistic about the Oilers for ranking Reddox the lowest, Derek putting him 15th makes him the pessimist.  There are only fourteen guys under twenty-five in this organization you'd rather have than Reddox?  That, my friends, is a sad state of affairs.

At the end of last season, Reddox had barely played in the NHL for a team that was crying out for someone to establish himself at the NHL level.  He scored only 35 points in 70 games as one of the go-to guys for the Springfield Falcons.  He was passed by Gilbert Brule, Jean-Francois Jacques, Ryan Potulny, and Ryan Stone at various times during the year.  He sucked.

But this year has been a different story.  Liam Reddox has once again found his scoring touch in the AHL with 33 points in just 37 games.  Despite playing six fewer games than the rest of the Barons top men, Reddox still leads the team in both shots on goal (143 or 3.86 per game) and plus/minus (+14), all while taking on reasonably tough competition.  He's also been one of the key cogs on a strong Barons' penalty kill.  

It was good enough to earn a call back to the NHL where Reddox has performed well enough that I'm very willing to say he's among the top fourteen forwards with everyone healthy.  His scoring chance differential isn't pretty (+19 -27), but his Fenwick differential is a lot more encouraging (+53 -59), and that slightly larger sample is probably more indicative of his play, particularly after moving to the wing.  David Staples' individual scoring chances also have Reddox at +7 (+13 -6) through seven games, which is a better per game average than anyone not playing on the Oilers' top two lines (Magnus Paajarvi excepted).  The individual chances against number is particularly impressive given the number of total chances against when he's at the ice.  At the very least, that suggests to me that Reddox has been playing responsible hockey in his own zone, not surprising considering how quickly he's earned ice time on the Oilers' penalty kill.  If he plays three more games with the Oilers, Reddox will once again be subject to waivers (right now he could be sent down without needing to clear waivers).  With Shawn Horcoff's return coming soon, if Reddox makes it to ten games without getting sent out, that will say a lot about where he stands in the organization.

So why, if Reddox seems to be on the upswing, do I have him ranked so low?  Well, despite being one of the best fourteen forwards on the Oilers, I'm convinced that he won't be one of the best fourteen forwards on an Oiler team that's actually any good.  He'll be twenty-five in a couple of weeks and still hasn't established himself in the NHL even though he's played for the last several years in an organization with horrendous bottom-end forwards.  That doesn't exactly scream "Impact player!"  Today, Reddox is a tweener, a useful guy to call on when injuries hit, but that's about all, and honestly, I doubt he'll ever be anything more than that.  That might make him good enough for 15th spot in a mediocre group of prospects, but like I said, this prospect group isn't just good; they're not just great; they're just incredible!

Comment 11 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

This organization has had Jacques playing ahead of Reddox in the past year and a half. I don’t think that’s a slight on Reddox. He hasn’t been on the team because there’s been a size concern, so worse hockey players with bigger bodies have been on the roster ahead of him. Given the collective girth of the upcoming prospects, Reddox may actually have a better chance of securing a role as a 12/13 forward in the upcoming years, because they won’t overcompensate on the end of the roster with coke machines.

I’ll say it; I believe in Liam Reddox.

by David Supina on Jan 17, 2011 7:32 PM MST reply actions  

The thing is, not all of the guys passing him by were big guys. Gilbert Brule isn’t a big guy, and neither is Ryan Potulny. Yet both of them got their shot ahead of Reddox last year. Linus Omark is another small guy who got the call before Reddox this year. Size is certainly an issue for Reddox, but the bigger issue is talent IMO.

As to your point about the bigger prospects in the organization, I don’t follow how it helps Reddox. Assuming the current top seven (Eberle, Gagner, Hall, Hemsky, Horcoff, Paajarvi and Penner) is locked in (and that might be a bad assumption), those new prospects will be breaking into the lineup by taking the spots held down by guys like Jacques and Fraser, which doesn’t leave any room for Reddox. They provide him with more (and hopefully better) competition rather than less.

Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 17, 2011 7:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Was Reddox waiver eligible? This team has shown a strange paranoia about losing their bottom of the roster players. And frankly, given Reddox’s stats last year, he wasn’t exactly pressing anybody. Players have off years. Reddox had one last year.

I just see it playing out where Reddox outlasts MacIntyre, Jacques, Fraser and possibly Stortini. He’s a better player on the fourth line than those guys, and is skilled enough that he could move up to your third line in a pinch. Or can sit in your press box when everybody is health, while your best prospects bubble under in the NHL and your other grinders play on the fourth line.

The bigger prospects help Reddox in the sense that they won’t look to fill the 4LW spot with the biggest possible player for the role, but the best. Hasn’t Jacques been on this team solely because he’s 6’4 and can skate? I think that’s less of an issue if we end up with a top nine that contains Hamilton, Paajarvi, Pitlick, Hall, and Penner. You can spend your fourth line spot on a energy player with a bit of a scoring chance and the ability to PK.

I don’t think it’s crazy to see scenarios where Reddox has a long tenure on this team as a bottom of the roster utility guy.

by David Supina on Jan 17, 2011 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

He was waiver eligible at the start of the year both this year and last and was sent down by the club both times (and wasn’t claimed in either instance). My issue with your scenario is simply that good teams often break their rookies into the league playing limited minutes. Hopefully that’s the road guys like Hartikainen, Hamilton, and Pitlick will take to the NHL, which means the roster spots they’ll be competing for aren’t those top nine roles, but rather, the same spot Reddox is going for. It’s not impossible for him to be an NHL player for a long time, but he’s been knocking on the door of a pretty terrible team for three years now, and still can’t seem to crack the nut, and no other team has picked him up even though he’s been available to all comers twice.

Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 17, 2011 10:03 PM MST up reply actions  

But who are the Oilers to play at the 13th forward spot? A young, up-and-coming checker like Hartikainen, who could probably use continued ice time in the AHL, or a guy who has proved all he can in the minors and fill a role in the big leagues if injuries come, like Reddox?

I just think he fits into that 12/13 spot extremely well. And if it comes down to it, I’d rather have him in the press box than any of Hartikainen, Hamilton or Pitlick. They should either be in the AHL, or actually playing games. SOMEONE has to be the extra forward (that will usually play; let’s face it, he’d probably still get into forty or fifty games due to injuries), and Reddox is the best fit.

by David Supina on Jan 18, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

As the nominal extra forward, Reddox is probably a decent choice (as are any number of other freely available tweeners; a guy like Marc Pouliot being a fine example), although I don’t really like the “Strudwick” role for either defenders or forwards. I prefer the idea of having competition for playing time. Obviously you wouldn’t want a young player sitting every night, but if a guy like Hartikainen is fighting for his spot in the lineup every night, I think that helps a lot more than it hurts, even if he ends up having ten or twenty games as a healthy scratch.

Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 18, 2011 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

You assume my rankings criteria are the same as yours.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 17, 2011 8:11 PM MST reply actions  

Not really, I know they’re slightly different; I was mostly just giving you the gears. Having said that, I can’t think of any ranking criteria by which I would rank Reddox 15th other than something similar to “how the player would perform in the NHL today”.

Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 17, 2011 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

You still have Brule in front of Reddox so we’re clearly at odds on our systems.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 17, 2011 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, we both know that all five of us are using somewhat idiosyncratic systems, so yeah, there are differences, but to be honest, I don’t think the methodologies are that different. More often, I think it’s our opinion of particular players that’s different, though I could be wrong. Our rankings tend to pretty similar (only eight of forty-two instances where our rankings are more than five apart, which makes me your closest match and you mine by that criterion), so even if the overall criteria for evaluating the players is different, it seems to lead to similar conclusions.

Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 17, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know. We disagree on just a couple of significant players.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 17, 2011 11:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to SB Nation's Edmonton Oilers community.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Oilers Next Head Coach
Small
Josh Anderson Scouting Report
Small
The 2012 NHL Draft and Combine - the Fanpost Almanac
Chambers-john_small
Risk Reward Radulov
Small
Joonas Korpisalo Scouting Report
2012-01-21-012338_small
Oilers Prospect Frans Tuohimaa Signs an Extension with Jokerit
Small
Ryan Murray - The Numbers
Chambers-john_small
Cody Hodgson, the game within the game, and inattention to detail
Small
Hong Kong Animators Draw NHL Violence
Small
Is Ryan Murray more NHL-ready than we think?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

32 - 40 - 10

Lost 3

Clear Victory Standings

Western Conference

  1. Detroit Red Wings (27-11, .711)
  2. St. Louis Blues (24-10, .706)
  3. Vancouver Canucks (22-10, .688)
  4. Los Angeles Kings (18-11, .621)
  5. San Jose Sharks (18-13, .581)
  6. Phoenix Coyotes (20-15, .571)
  7. Nashville Predators (18-14, .563)
  8. Chicago Blackhawks (21-19, .525)
  9. Colorado Avalanche (16-19, .457)
  10. Dallas Stars (18-22, .450)
  11. Anaheim Ducks (14-19, .424)
  12. Edmonton Oilers (18-25, .419)
  13. Calgary Flames (13-21, .382)
  14. Columbus Blue Jackets (14-31, .311)
  15. Minnesota Wild (8-22,.267)

Eastern Conference

  1. Pittsburgh Penguins (31-13, .711)
  2. Boston Bruins (27-11, .711)
  3. New York Rangers (25-16, .610)
  4. Philadelphia Flyers (21-17, .553)
  5. New Jersey Devils (18-16, .529)
  6. Ottawa Senators (19-17, .528)
  7. Washington Capitals (20-19, .513)
  8. Montreal Canadiens (16-19, .457)
  9. Winnipeg Jets (15-19, .441)
  10. Buffalo Sabres (14-18, .438)
  11. Carolina Hurricanes (13-17, .433)
  12. Florida Panthers (14-19, .424)
  13. Toronto Maple Leafs (17-24, .415)
  14. New York Islanders (8-23, .258)
  15. Tampa Bay Lightning (10-30, .250)

Division Standings

  1. Central (79-58, .577)
  2. Atlantic (68-50, .576)
  3. Pacific (62-54, .534)
  4. Northeast (69-65, .515)
  5. Northwest (49-69, .415)
  6. Southeast (51-81, .386)


Managing Editor

Kurri_small Derek Zona

Laraque_horcoff_250x360_small Scott Reynolds

Columnists

Batman_small ryanbatty

0615pisani_small dawgbone98

Neal_small Neal Livingston

Mike_small Mike Wntrz

Small Alan Hull

Contributors

Newtwitter2_small Jonathan Willis

Mccurdycloseup_small Bruce McCurdy

Esaandstanley_small Benjamin Massey

Me_smyth_bobblehead3__1_of_1__small Lisa McRitchie

Small Triumph44

Gyi0062208469-bobrovsky_small Chase W

Small JaredL