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Top 25 Under 25 - #23 Chris Vande Velde

Photo by Rob Ferguson, OKC Hockey, with permission.

Chris Vande Velde has one of those unique opportunities a fourth round pick dreams about.  His pro team is in desperate need of a large center capable of stout own-zone play who possesses superior faceoff ability.  Lucky for him, Vande Velde has size, defensive ability and superior faceoff ability.  Since the day Jarrett Stoll and Marty Reasoner left town, the Oilers have needed a center.  When they sent Kyle Brodziak away for non-magic beans, the Oilers added one more center to the needs list. 

With Tyler Pitlick finding more and more comfort in the goal-scoring forward role, and Andrew Cogliano spinning his wheels, Vande Velde's only competition for the bottom-of-the-roster center role is everyone's favorite Oilers player not yet in the organization - Anton Lander.  Lander isn't as big as Vande Velde, but he has a better reputation of own-zone play and similar skills in the faceoff circle, plus more leadership than even Mark Messier can shake a stick at.

Vande Velde slipped as much as anyone in these rankings, in fact, Jonathan dropped him a full twelve places, and the emergence of Lander, and Pitlick, as well as underwhelming boxcars in Oklahoma City likely contributed to that slide.

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RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JonScott
23 Chris Vande Velde 3/15/87
97 2005
25 24 20
28 20

 

Previous rank: 15

Vande Velde's path to the NHL remains, and at this point it's on him to deliver.  He's got to figure out how Kyle Brodziak made it to the NHL and became and effective role-playing center and replicate it.  If he does, he'll have a job for a long time.

Neal Livingston volunteered to give us a bit of insight into the young center's game.

Copper & Blue:  What role is Vande Velde currently playing for the Barons?  Has he been successful in that role?  How much time is he spending on the Penalty Kill?

Neal Livingston:  Vande Velde exemplifies for me what a diligent, collegiate player can do for a young team upon graduation. He is rarely out of position, makes wise decisions in pressing situations, and consistently makes his teammates betterHe doesn't always look to score, but his stay-at-home positioning makes him admirable on the penalty kill. Within the call ups of several key penalty killers, Vande Velde has kept the Barons PK within the tops in the league. His +/- is atrocious when compared to Ryan O'Marra whose is a polar opposite, but in his first professional season he's doing many things right. It's no wonder that Oilers management kept him deep into training camp, he shows great promise.

C&B:  He was known for his faceoff proficiency in college.  Has that translated to the AHL?

Livingston:  Indeed, his faceoff proficiency has carried over into the AHL. The AHL doesn't keep tabs on faceoffs won or lost, but I attempted tracking two games against the Texas Stars earlier this season, and he easily won 70% off his faceoffs on back-to-back nights. CVV and Ben Ondrus seem to be the go-to guys for winning important faceoffs, and this is a valuable asset to any team.

C&B:  He's 6'2" 204 pounds - sizable for an NHL forward.  Does he use that size well?

Livingston:  A center with his size, and knowledge of the game is quite nice. However, his physical game needs much improvement, and his shot accuracy tends to be way off. I continue to be impressed by his speed, and agility minus his tendencies to be over cautious. Overall, it appears that Vande Velde is a work in progress, but continues to be a promising prospect.

 

Special thanks to Rob Ferguson of OKC Hockey for the photo of Chris Vande Velde in action.  Check out the OKC Hockey forums for excellent discussions on the Barons.

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Anti Slovakian Bias, Clearly

Vande Velde and Kytnar have scored at roughly the same rate.
Kytnar is 796 days younger.
Kytnar’s plus/minus is better.

Not one expert ranked Kytnar ahead of the kid with the wooden skates.
I DEMAND an explantion!

Well, No, Actually,
I’m just curious.

by Mr DeBakey on Jan 14, 2011 4:13 PM MST reply actions  

Kytnar is not as renowned as a stay at home defensive player where Vande Velde is being trusted with Key draws and penalty killing responsibilities which fits an organisational need badly. He actually has a very very good chance of making the big club in the next two years in a third or fourth line role. Kytnar is not at that level yet.

by NZoilerfan on Jan 14, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s exactly what Kytnar is though… a defensive player. Every since he was drafted his projection has been a defensive player who can contribute some offense.

Personally speaking, I’ve never been a fan of CVV. I got to see a lot of him on CSTV and he’s just not a very good skater and virtually any offense he generated was because he was able to simply out muscle guys from the corner to the front of the net.

In terms of his defensive play, I thought it was often over-stated. UND was a pretty dominant team and very disciplined defensively. He fit well into that system, but so did a lot of guys. Dean Blais started it there and Hakstol pretty much picked it right back up. UND has always recruited well, but recently they’ve done it more through depth than top end talent.

Take a look at this year… not really much in terms of future NHLers but they are a dominant team. And they are doing something right over there because they’ve got 3 guys winning FO at 55% or better (including Corban Knight rocking at almost 64%).

I know he’s what Oiler fans want (C with some size who can win draws), but I think CVV is mostly wishful thinking at this point.

If his name was Ryan O’Marra and was having the season he’s having, we’d be talking about why we are wasting a roster spot on him, and there’s 2 months difference between them.

At this point, he’s a bottom 6 AHL player and I don’t see him becoming much more than that.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jan 14, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Shittier version of Ryan O Marra

by SumOil on Jan 14, 2011 7:43 PM MST up reply actions  

the thing is that this is his first pro season and that transition is not often great. We may see a turnaround towards the end of the season. Lets not forget that he had a long look in the camp and many did feel at that time that his game was close to Nhl ready. In fact lowetide was predicting that we might have a CVV sighting by now

by SumOil on Jan 14, 2011 7:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Alot of guys look good in training camp.

And he’s clearly not close to being NHL ready based on his AHL work so far.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jan 15, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

At this point, he’s a bottom 6 AHL player and I don’t see him becoming much more than that.

We’re 25 guys deep in the pool right now – can you expect much more?

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 15, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I was replying to:

He actually has a very very good chance of making the big club in the next two years.

I just don’t think that’s the case.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jan 15, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

This is a good question. If I was ranking these guys based solely on what they’d done so far this season, I definitely would have Kytnar higher, but I think people often get a bit too caught up in “what have you done for me lately” mode. Prior to this season, Kytnar had really struggled offensively in the CHL (less than a point per game in the CHL is pretty poor), whereas Vande Velde had put up decent offense in his last three years of college. To me, those things still count. That said, if the two players put up the exact same numbers in the second half as they did in the first, I’ll likely have Kytnar and Vande Velde very close in the summer, and maybe have Kytnar ahead.

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 14, 2011 6:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Vande Velde is getting difficult starting positions (at least from the games I’m listening to) and tougher defensive assignments as well.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 15, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

The QC stuff I’ve done suggests that the defensive assignments thing is not the case (it has Kytnar with the most difficult QC on the team and Vande Velde well down the list). That stuff might be wrong, but right now, there’s no really compelling reason for me to believe that it is.

Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?

by Scott Reynolds on Jan 15, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Not to mention the grind of playing in the West Division. It’s brutal every night.

Covering the Inaugural Season of the OKC Barons for The Copper & Blue

by Neal Livingston on Jan 15, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Kytnar is also two inches and twenty-six pounds lighter.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 15, 2011 8:40 AM MST up reply actions  

According to the OK roster on the AHL site he’s only 14 lbs lighter.

He’s also a much better skater than CVV.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Jan 15, 2011 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Pitlick has 6 goals in his last 19 games and is ranked 46th in the WHL. That would not seem to be indicative of him becoming comfortable as a goal-scoring forward.

by Double DD on Jan 14, 2011 11:24 PM MST reply actions  

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