The Top 25 Under 25 Returns! So Do These Losers!
The Oilers have lost 27 games and won 13. They're last in the division, are fighting for last in the league, and show no signs of snapping out of their funk. Everybody is hurt, and the few who aren't hurt are miserable. Our billionaire owner is trying to extort taxpayer money for a new arena that his losing hockey team can play in, and instead of fixing the Edmonton Oilers' problems, the brain trust prefer to hire a documentary crew to follow them around and say how great they are.
It's a pretty negative time, even by our standards, but the glass can't always be half empty. The bright side of finishing last all the time is that you get some pretty good prospects, and when we fans are tasting rock bottom, it's worth looking ahead to the bright joys of the future. So we dragged Jonathan Willis out of his undisclosed location, Bruce McCurdy out of the observatory, Derek Zona out of protective asylum, Scott Reynolds out of math club, and myself out of the bar, and set to work ranking the forty-two members of the Edmonton Oilers organization under 25 years of age from "suckiest" to "least sucky".
For those unfamiliar with the Copper & Blue Top 25 Under 25, it's our own spin on the de rigeur prospect rankings every blog for a draft lottery team runs to keep from hanging themselves. Rather than fuss about with number of NHL games played or whatever arcane and arbitrary criteria other writers use to set their prospect lists, we made our arbitrary criteria easy to understand. If you're under twenty-five years old, you're on the list, end of story. In the weeks to come, the Copper & Blue brain trust will get out the graphing calculators, the VHS tapes, and the sippy cups full of gin to bring you detailed analysis of the top 25 players in the Edmonton Oilers system under 25 years old.
"But Ben!" you're saying. "There are more than 25 players under 25 in the Oilers system! What happens to the other seventeen? What expert analysis of their strengths and weaknesses can we expect from the best hockey writers in the business?"
Well, they come to me. And while I won't analyze their strengths, I'll be happy to harp on sarcastically about their weaknesses.
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I’ve missed this.
A posse ad esse.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jan 11, 2011 11:59 AM MST reply actions
Nice job
But sometimes it’s hard to tell if you’re being purely sarcastic or just mostly sarcastic. For example, do you realize that Rajala had to go back to Finland to fulfill his mandatory military service requirement? I’m sure you do, but the snarkometer is fonking broken!!
by hellofasandwich on Jan 11, 2011 12:58 PM MST reply actions
If it’s in this article, it’s sarcastic. Take that to the bank.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 11, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
Appreciate the rankings guys but would also like a non-sarcastic version. No offense to Ben, people obviously enjoy his writing, but to me sarcasm is like salt – a little makes it better while too much makes it inedible.
We have something very special scheduled for just such a complaint. Stay tuned…
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
Yeah, these reject rankings are probably the most love-or-hate articles on the website, except for anything Derek says about Canucks fans.
(To tell the truth, I’m starting to think the concept has exhausted itself myself.)
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 11, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
I just wanted to get to that one before Principe did.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 11, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
i LOVE salt dammit!
Hows about a few more post-game wrap-ups Benjamin? Especially poignant in blow-outs.
When will he finally go away, the last shambling, zombified wreck from the Ryan Smyth trade
I know I haven’t been around much the last month or so, but when did we trade Alex Plante?
Junior Vice-President of Bubbling Under - All prospects, all the time.
We got a draft pick for Ryan Smyth, not Alex Plante. Call it poetic license.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 11, 2011 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
from that one this is what i liked best
What did O’Marra do to Derek in a past life that he’s ranked behind Kellen Jones and Troy Hesketh?
I would like derek to answer that!
You aren’t going to be happy with me this time…
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
We never are.
Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps and western Canadian soccer website Eighty Six Forever and infrequently-posting flunky at Edmonton Oilers blog The Copper & Blue.
by Benjamin Massey on Jan 12, 2011 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
You utter bastards. If Cameron gets given the Cody Wild treatment by the organisation because of your muckraking character assassinations I’ll sue your sorry asses. How you all fail to see the powerforward-in-embryo that Stuey McGregor picked out I don’t know. I guess you all think you’re smarter by half than McGregor. Well you aint. If any of you knew anything about prospects you’d be able to see real potential here. Believe me, in a couple of years when the Hall-Gagner-Abney line is tearing up the NHL you’ll look back and see that he was an absolutely steal in the third round. Complete robbery and other teams know it already.
I hate where he was picked but if he can be a legitimate heavyweight and skate/think the game fast enough to keep up with the other players to throw some hits and block some shots does it really matter if the guy never scores an NHL goal? I would settle for; Huggy Bear’s passion and smarts for the game, JFJ’s speed and 75% of Mac’s fighting and point production. The bar is not set that high and I wouldn’t bet against him making it.
I take the slight issue with the comment that Toni Rajala being the twenty sixth best young player no the team is somehow indicative of organizational weakness. Rajala is a long-shot to be an NHL player at this point, but he does have a chance. How many teams can say that about their 26th best under 25 player? Does Calgary even have twenty six players under the age of 25 in their system?
No, the fact of the matter is that players like O’Marra, Rajala and Bunz are legitimate prospects with less than favorable odds. Most teams have gluts and gluts of those guys; later round draft picks they keep around in case they pull a Kyle Brodziak career trajectory and just make solid improvements every year until they can be a lower-end, contributing player. If anything, the fact that the guy who has maybe a 15% chance of being a second line forward and the player who has already been given bottom six minutes in the NHL on a part time basis and might secure a job there if he doesn’t let other, higher profile prospects beat him to it (O’Marra might end up having one of Vande Velde or Lander eat his lunch, but we’ll see. Maybe O’Marra will just take Fraser’s job) are not even in the top twenty five, shows the depth of the organization at this point.
Most of the points of criticism for this organization are what they’ve done with the present, not the future. Your final point seems exactly the opposite of what conclusion should reasonably be drawn.
Willy Wonka
Good stuff as always. Entertaining read but I think Willy is like one of those awesome 1970"s/80" candies that explodes in your mouth (minds out of the gutter) and will rocket into the top 25 next go around.
May not have the draft pedigree and the scoring totals but based on a couple of viewings and some scouting reports I’m hoping for Colby Armstrong. Skilled enough to go up and down the lineup and a sizeable amount of good old SK grit/wit to annoy the hell out of the other team. If he can make Hall and the others laugh all the better. That type of player is sorely lacking in the Oiler prospect system.
Saw Willy this morning when the Ice played the Oil Kings in the annual Hockey Hooky game. Set up the first two goals, then scored the winner, first star, a nice day’s work. Yet another MBS pick where people are going “We got him in WHAT round??!!”
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 12, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions
I always feel that way about Abney :|
by Scott Reynolds on Jan 14, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
That damn glasss could be 99% full and you guys’d be going “Abney, Abney, oh why TF did we have to pick Abney?”
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 14, 2011 9:09 PM MST up reply actions

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