Apparently Dan Tencer Isn't A Reader - Too Bad For Him
There have been no shortage of opinions on Nikolai Khabibulin. Khabibulin's been a controversial figure since the day he was signed - with some arguing that the Stanley Cup-winning goaltender was the solution to Edmonton's goaltending problems (a veritable "fix for a generation") and others arguing that the money and term made no sense for an aging and injury-prone player in a buyer's market.
Now there's speculation as to what the outcome of Khabibulin's DUI trial will be, and a lot of it shows a lack of understanding of Arizona's criminal justice system.
That's where we at The Copper & Blue come in. Dealing with all of these misconceptions, Derek Zona did the logical thing for someone with questions about DUI convictions in Arizona: he talked to a lawyer at the leading DUI defence firm in the state. That lawyer, David Maletta, now a defence lawyer but once a prosecutor, was able to make some things clear: an Extreme DUI conviction includes a manadatory minimum of 30 days in prison, with the possibility of up to six months in prison, and in Maricopa County those sentences are spent in Tent City.
Sadly, it seems The Copper & Blue isn't on the reading list of at least one Edmonton-area radio host. From yesterday, a Twitter conversation between Dan Tencer of 630 CHED and Oilers' blogger (and lawyer) Tyler Dellow, sparked by the Oilers' signing of Martin Gerber:
- TENCER: "There you go...Nick Kypreos confirms 500/200 on a 2 way for Gerber. Depth and insurance. Good move."
- DELLOW: "How does he make sense as insurance? If Khabby can't go, they still have two guys on one way deals."
- TENCER: "I still assume one of the others will be dealt. If not, pushes them in TC and on the farm if they clear waivers."
- DELLOW: "I would guess the market for them will be lousy when Cup and Hart Trophy winning goalies don't have jobs. Seems to be the pissing away of a few hundred K. Guess it doesn't matter when you can just demand a few hundred mil $ from city."
- TENCER: "As was just pointed out to me...Tamby wasn't lying when he said he wouldn't go to camp with 3 goalies. Lol"
- DELLOW: "You sound pretty optimistic that Khabby's going to be there and not roasting in an AZ prison."
- TENCER: "Too many cases of people doing worse and getting no jail time or flexible sentences..."
- DELLOW: "See, this pisses me off. Have you bothered to learn anything about how it works in Arizona? YOU COVER THE TEAM FOR MONEY."
- TENCER: "All caps, eh? Geez, it's Friday man! Chill. We'll see how it plays out. If warranted, yell after. I'm betting on Khabby at camp."
- DELLOW: "You're "betting on Khabby at camp"? Based on nothing? Does it trouble you in the slightest to express opinions with no rationale?
- TENCER: "You're saying that it's 0% to analyze the situation and come to that as a logical conclusion?"
- DELLOW: "If your rationale is "...no jail time or flexible sentences," yes. That's actually insane in a situation where plea bargain looks exceedingly unlikely and there's a mandatory minimum jail sentence. God, even bloggers do research: http://bit.ly/dd3S5I"
The last link in the conversation leads us back to Zona's talk with David Maletta.
It's funny, because the one point that mainstream media people still consistently have over bloggers is their ability to talk to people involved, but over the last few years their stranglehold over that access has weakened. More than that, however, access isn't any good if the media guy in question chooses not to use it. Tencer certainly could have arranged to talk to an Arizona-based attorney to clarify the issue, as Zona did, but instead chose to go with his instincts, based on a lifetime of experience with the Alberta system.
Either that, or he could simply have read The Copper & Blue. His failure to do so doesn't leave me feeling slighted in the least, since it puts us in the company of The Hockey News and McKeen's, but it does leave Tencer looking rather uninformed.
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I agree. That certainly doesn’t make DT appear too informed or diligent which is a shame cuz I usually enjoy his radio shows. Just goes to show that his summer isn’t as much of a “holiday” as he seems to think.
Geez, it’s Friday, man! Chill.
I found out about Khabi’s legal status right here in Mum’s basement, without even getting out of my pyjamas.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 7, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s Saturday, Bruce, but that’s easy to forget since none of us have real jobs.
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 7, 2010 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Huh, it was a quote. Let me paraphrase: “Geez, it’s Friday, man! You expect professional behaviour on a Friday?? Chill.”
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 8, 2010 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know anything about anything, okay? You know this!
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 8, 2010 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions
the thing about Tencer
i really like his radio show, and i honestly think he’s a smart guy and filling that much airtime in an entertaining way is a rare talent.
problem is that a fair number of the people who call into his show are .. and i can’t believe i’m saying something so derogatory .. but well, they’re morons.
i think that because of this Tencer thinks he’s quite a bit smarter and more knowledgable than he actually is, especially compared to some of the incredibly sharp bloggers who follow the oilers.
further – Tencer isn’t a writer. he’s a radio guy and radio guys have so much air time to fill that they have a different approach to research. to fill up that time [plus cover multiple sports and multiple topics within sports] their knowledge has to be broad but almost inevitably shallow.
so it’ll always be easy to beat up on Tencer in some specific area. but jeez i can’t even conceive of being able to do his specific job.
People phoning into call-in shows are morons?
Gee, you don’t say.
Call-in radio is the lowest common denominator of human intelligence.
So, you’re saying we should do a podcast?
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you are being extremely harsh man. People who call in the radio are not morons. They are just ill-informed. They may be extremely knowledgeable in some other field. I can understand your frustration when you hear some comments from people, but that doesn’t give you the right to be so judgemental.
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
i didn’t say that every caller or even most of the callers were morons.
but there are enough callers whose points are internally inconsistent to the point where even if they are not “morons” then their arguments are at least “moronic”.
there’s not a lot of incentive to do in depth research when the callers that seemingly represent the audience don’t present viewpoints with a lot of depth.
he works in a broad, shallow format and it is a bit odd to expect a lot of depth from it.
Is this news worthy of a blog or blogger?
Good on C&B for their indepth research and reporting of the facts. The story on Arizona law shed a huge amount of information on a story that needed some clarity.
To go as far as writing a whole article about a local radio host who should have read the story, and how he may be irresponsible for not doing so…..yikes!
Last summer it was Stauffer and this year it is Tencer. Bloggers vs. radio guys, really? It was a tweet, not a full blown radio broadcast with Dan saying it like ‘it is’ on the NK situation.
I’m sure he reads you Mr. Willis, but I doubt he’ll spend the amount of time you have on him to point out when you have made a mistake in the past. He probably has better things to do.
I like the blogs as much as the next guy but this story shouldn’t have made the news when there was no news to report.
Why wouldn’t a blog write about something that highlights the ignorance of the paid media covering a team?
That’s exactly the kind of thing this blog should be writing about and good on them for it.
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by PPP on Aug 8, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Especially when the guys paid to do the job don’t even do their homework. That can’t not be called out.
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Thanks. It’s not like I’m breaking Watergate. This is simple background information.
Though, to be honest, given that he’s paid by the team, even if he thought to do this story, he wouldn’t be permitted to cover it.
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