Oilers Mt. Puckmore/Suckmore Nominations
by Doogie2K on Aug 6, 2010 6:10 AM MDT
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Editor's Note: Doogie's FanPost is timely as Puck Daddy has commissioned noted Edmonton-area artist Bruce McCurdy to carve the Oilers' Mount Puckmore. Bruce is working on the monument as we speak, but has not made his final decision as to who will be included. I'm pretty sure he's wrong though, so he can use some convincing. Doogie's other suggestion, putting together a Mount Suckmore, is excellent. Executives don't count in Mount Puckmore, so they don't count in Mount Suckmore either, sorry Tyler.
Puck Daddy's August feature this year is Mt. Puckmore, featuring the four people you naturally think of when you think of your franchise. Tyler, Ben, and I discussed this briefly on Twitter last night, and I nominated Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, and Smyth; Tyler replaced Kurri with Lowe and Ben had 99, 11, Cujo, and Todd Marchant. So, I figure, since we don't know who's doing the Oilers' Puckmore yet, let's open this up to the community and start some arguments.
And while we're at it, let's hear who you think goes on Mt. Suckmore, whose purpose is pretty well self-explanatory. Peter Pocklington is the free space; who are the other three? Has Jean-Francois Jacques earned a spot yet? Bryan Marchment? Who else have I blocked from my memory?
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Gretzky, Messier, 
, Smyth
Using the Lion is cheating, but it incorporates Tikkanen and Kurri and all of the rest of the Finnish influence on the franchise.
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I’d replace Ryan Smyth with Glenn Anderson, our very own roosevelt-like roughrider – The mainstream media wouldn’t agree.
by Fred Furlong on Aug 6, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually, Mt. Suckmore is an idea I stole wholesale from Megalodon at BoC. Just so we’re clear.
Personally, I don’t care if executives don’t count for Suckmore. Pocklington can’t not be there, or the whole thing’s a farce. He destroyed the Dynasty, for Christ’s sake. He has to be an exception.
Also: Steve Kelly. Shit, how could I forget that?
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Sure Pocklington destroyed the dynasty, but he was also one of the ones building it. His run basically evens out at the end.
I was saying the exact same thing to my wife last night. Pocklington should be memorialized as both a builder and a destroyer. So he cancels himself out, give or take that glorious decade between the purchase of the Great One and the sale of same.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 6, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually, Mt. Suckmore is an idea I stole wholesale from Megalodon at BoC.
You are forgiven. But I am always watching.
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damn….no executives…the entire draft team in the 90s should be there along with peter pocklington.
suckmore:jason boisignore, steve kelly, jesse niniimaki, joffrey lupul
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
Suckmore must include Corson and Bonsignore.
A posse ad esse.
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by Jonathan Willis on Aug 6, 2010 7:31 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You can’t put a guy who played a low-two-digits number of games on Mount Suckmore. You just can’t. Unless it’s Jason Bonsignore.
Mount Suckmore: Jason Bonsignore, Ethan Moreau, Shayne Corson, Cory Cross
Corson’s #1 on my personal Suckmore with a bullet. Preferably, a silver one.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 6, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Because he spelled Shane with a y.
And he threw his teammates under the LRT
by Fred Furlong on Aug 6, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I’ve always wondered this too…….I was in my very early teens when he was here, and the only thing I remember was him sticking up for Arnott a couple of times on the ice. Never knew he was so despised by the fans! Until I started reading this blog last year……
by jonnybluejay on Aug 6, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Corson.
Poti? Cross? Can Comrie be on both, somehow…?
by Downright Fierce on Aug 6, 2010 9:53 AM MDT reply actions
I see Matt N already made the “both” crack about Lowe. That’s cool, because it just dawned on me that Mikey would be on his own nearby monument with Paul and Bill: Mount Brickmore.
Here’s my final list…
Puck: 99, 11, 7, 31. (Matt R nailed it for me). If I had room for 5, Dougie Weight goes up for sure.
Suck: Corson, theformercaptainethanmoreau, Bonsignore, Lupul. Though I’d consider substituting Cross for Lupul for the sake of F/D balance. Almost snuck Salo on there for personal hate.
by Downright Fierce on Aug 6, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Suckmore
Shayne Corson, Joffrey Lupul, Jason Strudwick, Luke Richardson
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Puckmore nominees
For me it’s gotta be the folowing four:
Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, and Fuhr
That covers all areas (forwards, defencemen, and goalies) and — to my mind, anyhow — includes the best from each. If I could have a fifth, Smyth is right there. I feel horrible leaving him off, but I can’t go too forward heavy, and I sure as hell need Fuhr there.
For me, including Hall is a wee bit premature.
Thoughts?
If Mt Puckmore and Suckmore are side by side
would CFP be the face that links them together?
The last thing the world needs is Chris Pronger’s giant face on the side of a mountain. He wasn’t good enough for Mount Suckmore.
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 6, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Puckmore: Gretz, Mess, Kurri, Smyth
Suckmore: Corson, Bonsignore, Moreau (made the list with BIG year), Arnott (almost soley based on “I just wasn’t into it” quote. Very disillusioning to a teenager at the time)
Steve Smith?? That moment should be immortalized.
Along with MABergeron knocking out his own goalie and costing us the cup.
Steve Smith? Please let me know before you set off the Bruce Signal like that; it’s right by my ear.
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 6, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT????!!!!
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 6, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Chris Haines on Aug 9, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Suckmore?
Patrick O’Sullivan.
Chris Pronger.
Peter Pocklington.
Dave Hunter (sorry, but I never could figure out why he was in NHL)
by David Staples @ The Cult of Hockey on Aug 6, 2010 10:17 AM MDT reply actions
Suck & Puck
For shits and giggles, here’s a list for you:
Suckmore:
1. Mariusz Czerkawski: wifey first made it trendy to denounce the Great White North.
2. Pronger: ditto but at least he rode half of Sherwood Park.
3. Jagr: for continuing to goad Edmontonians into believing he’ll wear the colours, year after year.
4. Pucklington: should be shown as sucking McNall’s balls
Puckmore: has to be multi-generational
1. 99: undisputed
2. 11: bump
3. 94: probably the one and only Oiler to truly bleed Oil
4. 39: the only light in all those dark, dark years
Nuff said
I like including players from every era so my Mt. Puckmore would include Gretzky (Dynasty Era), Lowe (Post-Dynasty Coda), Buchberger (Early ‘90s Bad Times), and Smyth (Late ’90s Fun Times and 00’s). In that there is an increasing number of Oiler fans born after 1990, a list that only memorializes the “dynasty days” doesn’t seem particularly representative.
I’d use the same format for Mt. Suckmore too and end up with Moog (Dynasty Era), Carson (Post-Dynasty Coda), Corson (Early ’90s Bad Times), and Greene.
Seems fair to me to not have any dynasty era Suckmore guys. It was a dynasty! How much could anyone have possibly sucked?
Although that’s true, I’m sure there were guys who were frustrating to watch then too. And if Fuhr was the better goalie, it would have been frustrating anytime Moog got the start. Further, later in Oilers’ history, Moog always gets beat down by the Oilers, first in the 1990 Finals against when he was with the Bruins and then in the 1997 playoffs when he was with the Stars.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 6, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Moog was a losing goalie in both the ’88 and ’90 Finals.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 6, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Puckmore:
Very difficult. By any honest criteria of hockey-playing greatness, they all have to be dynasty players, but it would feel entirely inauthentic to ignore my entire active experience as an Oilers fan (I’m 25). For that reason, I include Smyth. Then it’s 3 dynasty era players. Gretzky is a given, and Messier I couldn’t leave off, but the last one is tough. Kurri gets the nod as he represents the Finnish contingent beyond himself, in addition to his own greatness.
So Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Smyth
Suckmore:
Bonsignore, Corson, Moreau and Carson. Because no executives and he’s as good a representative for the Gretzky trade as I can think of as a player. I could probably be talked into Arnott or somebody else in that slot as well.
Jiri Dopita would be the first face on my Mount Mediocre, but he wasn’t spectacular enough in his awfulness for Mount Suckmore.
(Oilers Mount Mediocre: Dopita, Jussi Markkanen, Chris Joseph, Rem Murray.)
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 6, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Puckmore: Gretzky, Messier, Lowe, Weight with Smyth, Kurri, Coffey and Joseph just missing the cut.
Suckmore: Corson, Bonsignore, Marchment, Lupul
A posse ad esse.
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As in Curtis Joseph?
Really?
Maybe I’m just bitter at the way he submarined Canada at the World Cup back in ‘96, but I’ve always considered him to be the most over-rated goaltender of that era.
He was superb in the only playoff rounds we won between the death rattle of the Dynasty and 2006.
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This would be pretty close to mine. I put Kurri in over Lowe.
Suckmore would have Strudwick over Lupul.
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by George E. Ays on Aug 6, 2010 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone needs to explain this whole Bryan Marchment stuff. I have been an Oil fan since day one of them being in the league, but I honestly don’t know why there’s hate for Marchment. I wasn’t expecting a stellar defenseman when we got him.. just a guy that would go hit people. Loved his dirty style of play too. So he brought what I expected…
Why the Mt Suckmore nomination? This isn’t the first I’ve heard of him being singled out as a bad Oiler though … wondering why that is.. did I sleep through part of the 90s?
Was it just the untimely penalties? If so, not worthy of the nomination still. He was a bruising d-man though… I don’t expect Nik Lidstrom like levels of play either.
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Pretty much for being a flaming douchebag and going for the knees. No one likes that shit. Still surprised no one decapitated Ulf Samuelsson after he railroaded Cam Neely’s career in ’91.
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Ahh I see. I’m not big on the knee hits, and yes, he did have those. But I do like guys that cross the line, which is probably why I liked Marchment at the time.
Btw, I found this interesting quote on SI (which might explain why more people here hate him):
When Marchment was in Edmonton, he would remind his roommate, Ryan Smyth, a swift, slippery left wing, to keep his head up at all times. In training camp Marchment would occasionally clobber Smyth as a public-service announcement. Before the Sharks’ training camp formally opened this season, Marchment would watch the rookie scrimmages and salivate. “I hope some of those guys stick around,” he said. “I need to get my timing down.”
Anyways, I hated Ulf Samuelsson like the plague. So I can understand/respect why people wouldn’t like Marchment. I guess it’s a bit hypocritcal, but I liked Marchment’s dirtier style. Knee hits are never good to see though. I was also a Montreal fan back in the 80s/early 90s…. Cam Neely had respect for, despite playing on the Bruins (basically Montreal’s version of the flames rivalry), and I wanted to see him come back and clobber that turd over and over.
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I liked Marchment’s dirtier style. Knee hits are never good to see though.
I don’t understand how these two things go together. Marchment tried to hurt people and went for the knees regularly. That was his dirtier style. If you don’t like kneeing, you don’t like Marchment. If you think kneeing is acceptable (as long as it’s one of your guys on the giving end), you do like Marchment. It’s pretty much that simple. My most vivid memory of Marchment comes from watching him turtle after taking out Doug Weight’s knee when Weight came back to fight him. He showed no respect to anyone and I have no respect for the way he played the game.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 6, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Still remember that. The whole reason Weight came for revenge was that the original vicious, dirty, deliberate attempt to end his career had gone unpenalized, then the zebra threw the book at Weight for taking the law into his own hands. Weight got 39 PiM, Marchment 0. Thirty-nine to zero. Fucking zebra should have been fired on the spot for gross negligence and incompetence. Just a horrible, horrible miscarriage of justice. Still enrages me just thinking about it.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 6, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
“If you don’t like kneeing, you don’t like Marchment”???
That’s pretty binary thinking…
It’s not like the guy only went around kneeing people. Yes, he was known for that side of his game, but it’s not like every hit was knee on knee.
I honestly am not a fan of kneeing, but it’s not like I can’t see past one bad part of a player’s style/game and like him for other reasons, thank you.
Doogie: being a fan of the 80s/90s Habs, I know full well of what you are talking about… I watched the Habs lose plenty a series to the Bruins, with much frustration too. And like you, they still hold a special place in my heart too… although it isn’t quite the same. I hope they do well in the playoffs when they’re in it, but don’t concern myself too much with the minor stuff throughout the year.
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This is like being against cheap shots but being a big fan of Matt Cooke. I mean, there are other parts to his game! He’s not all bad!
It’s ludicrous. Of course not every single check Marchment gave was dirty, but he’s one of the dirtiest guys in the modern game and he consistently demonstrated no respect for his opponents. Can you think of any examples of players more famous for kneeing people than Marchment? Can you think of any players who have been suspended more than Marchment? What is it about his game that you like enough that it outweighs his going out to hurt people?
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 7, 2010 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I know all about the Habs and Bruins of the late ‘80s and early ’90s. I was unaware of Montreal’s run of historical dominance over Boston because every series I saw as a kid, the Habs lost. Seemed like Neely and Bourque and them just had Patrick Roy’s number.
(I was a Habs fan prior to the mid-90s, and still retain a certain affection for them. Enough to be a pariah twice a year.)
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The Habs beat the Bruins in 18 consecutive series over a 45-year span. Try doing that with an unweighted coin.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 6, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Which weighted coin would that be? Better scouting and management?
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That, and better players. With a little luck thrown in.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 9, 2010 1:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, that went without saying. ;)
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Mt Suckmore nominations: 1) Pocklington – traded Gretzky, must more be said?, 2) Jason Bonsignore – worst draft pick ever, 3) Chris Pronger – most hated oiler ever, 4) George Burnett – worst coach ever, so terrible no one even remembers him b/c he only lasted 35 games! (’94-95)
A difficult task
trying to pick just 4 candidates for Mt. Puckmore. Kinda tough to limit the selection to 12 candidates because of the Dynasty teams. The core players for those teams (Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Anderson, Coffey, Lowe and Fuhr) I think are all deserving to be placed on the mantle.
4 candidates though, huh? For iconic images of the Oilers, I have to go with:
Gretzky – unquestionably the greatest hockey player ever, and most associated with the Dynasty teams.
Esa Tikkanen – representative of the post-Dynasty era, super pest
Todd Marchant – the grit and heart, most memorably known for the overtime winner against Dallas
Ryan Smyth – still will be known as the face of the modern Oilers
It occurs to me that this franchise has had a lot of off-colour rumours about some of its players. So-and-so slept with such-and-such goalie’s wife. That guy boffed some local news anchor. So maybe we should give consideration to the Oilers’ Mount Fu…
…on second thought, never mind.
by Benjamin Massey on Aug 7, 2010 2:54 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Good lord, that's priceless
I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.
by TakeoutArtist on Aug 7, 2010 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Gretzky Stands Alone.
I give the Great One his own Mountain top.
Then under that I put Messier, Kurri, Coffey &Lowe on Puckmore.
As far as Mt. Suckmore, well since the previously mentioned greedy owner is forever erased from my hockey historical memory and never existed to me he cannot be on Suckmore. So I’ll go with Pronger, Bonsignore, Corson and leave one spot open to keep every player on notice- that he could end up on it if he dosen’t pull his weight and do his job.
For those who didn't get it the first time round....
For shits and giggles, here’s a list for you:
Suckmore:
1. Mariusz Czerkawski: wifey first made it trendy to denounce the Great White North.
2. Pronger: ditto but at least he rode half of Sherwood Park.
3. Jagr: for continuing to goad Edmontonians into believing he’ll wear the colours, year after year.
4. Pucklington: should be shown as sucking McNall’s balls
Puckmore: has to be multi-generational
1. 99: undisputed
2. 11: bump
3. 94: probably the one and only Oiler to truly bleed Oil
4. 39: the only light in all those dark, dark years
Nuff said
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