Dustin Penner - My Favorite Edmonton Oiler Since The Dynasty Days
It's been twenty years since the end of the Oilers' dynastic period, and most Oiler fans still count a member of that dynasty as their favorite player, myself included. But there exists an entire generation of Oiler fans that never saw the boys on the bus together, and if they did, they can't remember details about one of the best teams ever assembled. That's why the authors here have decided to list each of our favorite Oilers since the team last won the Stanley Cup. This isn't about the best Oiler, or the most-loved Oiler; our series is about our personal favorites and we hope it strikes a chord with our readers.
It was easy for Scott, as he jumped on Ryan Smyth right away. I didn't take the same path, probably because Dustin Penner is so new to the organization and there are many indelible memories etched into my mind from a time when I was younger and more easily influenced. Penner was up against some strong competition in my mind, and the other three finalists were:
Mike Grier because everything about his game mirrored the Edmonton Oilers' game for five years. He was only 6'1", but he was 225 pounds of board-rattling thunder. He forechecked like a much smaller, shiftier man until impact, and was a force in both zones. Every other year it seemed that he was good for twenty goals, and his play on defense and the penalty kill meant more than the goals. When his body failed him, he was like an action hero in the movies, popping his separated shoulders back in to catch the next shift. I don't believe that there is an Oiler from any era, from any team that more deeply embodied his team and the franchise than Mike Grier during the years of the little team that could.
Ales Hemsky for being one of the best talents in the league, hidden away in the Tar Sands of Alberta, forced to ply his trade for a largely unappreciative fanbase. Craig MacTavish raised Hemsky right and since completing his formal education, he's been an outscorer and a phenomenal power play talent. If there's one thing I'm almost certain of, it's that Ales Hemsky will have a ridiculous season (measured per sixty) on the power play should he, Penner, Foster, Whitney and Hall all stay healthy. Oh, Hemsky also single-handedly forced Steve Yzerman to retire (watch carefully for 19 in white) in what remains one of the most giggle-inducing moves I've seen in my lifetime.
And finally, the runner up as my favorite Oiler since the dynasty days - Radek Dvorak, for scoring what I believe to be the most exciting goal since the the fifth and final Stanley Cup. In my personal Oilers' Mount Puckmore, Dvo is there, peeking out from Teddy Roosevelt's spot, just back from the spotlight, but on the mountain nonetheless. I defended this when I wrote the article about the goal, and I've defended the pick to the authors here and elsewhere, but that goal, as I said in the article, was the high point of an era in which the Dallas Stars beat the Oilers' heads in regularly. Dvorak's dagger just felt so good and remains one of my favorite goals in Edmonton history.
But in the end, it was Dustin Penner that came out on top for me, and after the jump I'll explain my selection.
Dustin Penner came to the organization in one of the most controversial moves in one of the most controversial times in Edmonton history. In terms of personnel moves, I'd argue that selling off Ryan Smyth because of a $100,000 yearly difference at the negotiating table and using an enormous package of draft picks and money to lure Penner to the Oilers is second only to the Wayne Gretzky trade in fan outrage in Oilers' history. At the time I didn't think the move was a good one, but I understood why management decided to go for it. Smyth was just shipped out the door for a '78 Buick and not much else, and Kevin Lowe needed to replace him with something legitimate. Penner was his second choice after Buffalo matched his offer sheet for Thomas Vanek. I even thought Penner had a chance of outplaying the contract number towards the end of the deal if things broke right, but as a GM of a floundering team, that's a difficult bet to make and a difficult bet to sell to the fans.
Almost immediately, Penner became the whipping boy for all walks of hockey fans in Edmonton. Though Penner is an enormous man, his game is not one of bone-crunching hits, and Edmonton fans were livid that he wasn't hitting on a consistent basis. Couple that with the fact that Penner can move extremely well without appearing to give much effort and he was immediately labeled as "lazy", "fat", "slow", and a plethora of other unfriendly labels. He was taking criticism for the perceived deficiencies in his game, but more than that, he was taking the brunt of the fans' venom meant for Kevin Lowe and the management team.
In spite of all of the grief he took, Penner remained effective in every facet of the game. During his first season in Edmonton I started to take notice and began defending him all over the 'sphere. But it was the knowledge of his effectiveness and the constant defenses I was putting up for him that made me appreciate his game. The more I defended him, the more I appreciated him, and he eventually became one of my favorites. Regular readers already know about my quasi-obsession with Penner's microstats so I'm not going to go into that now. I will say, however, that Penner proving me right by having the boxcars catch up to the microstats last season was a good feeling, and one that allowed me to smile a smug smile each time he scored or made some fantastic play. It was like following an unknown band for a couple of years and watching them hit it big.
It's the non-statistical side, the intangible side of Penner, that's fun to talk about. Penner is adept at controlling the play in the offensive zone, ragging the puck around behind the net, muscling it to the goal line on the far boards and storming off of the boards to the circle with the fury of an angry bull but with the demeanor of a Shaolin Monk. He's got wonderfully soft hands and is an amazing passer in the offensive zone. Check the highlights from the comeback win over the Blue Jackets last season for evidence.
The little men of the world always look like they're putting out maximum effort (Tie Domi looked like he was passing a kidney stone in full stride), while men like Dustin Penner (with long strides that often look plodding) are easy targets based on visual evidence.
And it's true. But Penner never lacked for catching up to the play or staying ahead of the play. The long, loping stride might not look exciting, but it's efficient and it covers ground in a hurry. Like in the breakaway goal below:
The defender in pursuit is Kyle Cumiskey, one of the fastest defensemen in the game today. Penner pulls away from him with ease and pots the goal. But even on the breakaway, with an especially speedy defenseman in pursuit, Penner doesn't seem to be putting a huge amount of effort into the play. Looks can obviously be deceiving.
Because Penner is not an obviously physical player, Edmonton fans labeled him as "soft". But in the lost season of 2008-2009 it was Dustin Penner jumping to Ladislav Smid's aid and one-punching Landon Wilson. It was Dustin Penner who stood up for Ales Hemsky after Hemsky took a late hit from Garnet Exelby. Even though Penner was defending his teammates and ably so, somehow it was this hit on Robyn Regehr that signaled "a new Penner" to the media and fanbase.
Penner was a scapegoat for a coach, a franchise, an Oilogosphere, and a city, yet he handled himself with as much grace as could be expected. He never went on a tirade in the media, though the media went on tirades about him. He stayed quiet and kept playing his game. He came back this year with "a new diet" and "renewed vigor". And he always kept his sense of humor - and Penner has a fantastic sense of humor.
I have no idea what "the room" thinks of Dustin Penner, but from the outside, Penner has all of the makings of a stalwart for this franchise and a player capable of carrying a line of lesser lights. He came to town in a terrible situation, replacing "Captain Canada", and took heat from all sides because of that. But you know what? In the end, Penner has replaced the face of the franchise, even if the ornery fanbase won't admit it.
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My problem with Penner (and why I think the Smyth comparison is a bit off), is that Penner has stretches where he is dominant, and stretches where he basically accomplishes nothing.
He’ll use his size effectively, drive to the net, win all sorts of puck battles (all while scoring and generating chances), and then all of a sudden he shuts it down and goes through the motions.
Last year he got off to a very hot start and put up 36 points in 32 games. He was destroying in SC and Corsi/Fenwick. He also had an excellent finish putting up 15 points in 16 games (again running house in SC and Corsi/Fenwick).
The other 34 games? He put up 12 points in 34 games, got outchanced and his Corsi/Fenwick dropped like a stone.
He got 16 of his 63 points in 4 games. That’s 25% of his total offence in just 4 games. What I’d like to see from Penner is less of the invisible games (and it’s more than just him seeming lazy because he’s a big guy). He can control the puck on the cycle better than anyone and when he’s not doing it he’s taking a big chunk of his effectiveness and tossing it out the window.
He’s definitely a quality player, and if he can have the consistency of #94 he’ll be a dominant player. He’s got everything over Smyth with the exception of being able to play the same way night in and night out.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
The team collapsed around him and he started seeing the hard matches against him, while playing with some not-so-great linemates.
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The team collapsed well inside his first 35 games and his last 16 as well. Granted, he didn’t have great linemates, but at the same time there was a noticable decline in his play, 2 pretty big peaks and 1 big valley.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
many tomes you play well and still dont get results. he scored 30+ goals. Maybe if he was in a better circumstance, he could have potted 35-35-70.
Also that valley coincides with the worst stretch of hockey oilers have played since 06-07
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
with the worst stretch of hockey oilers have playedsinceincluding 06-07.
They were really, really bad. That said, I think DB was saying that it wasn’t just a case of Penner being snakebitten. It was also his underlying numbers that were lower. I haven’t checked on it, but if that’s the case, we probably shouldn’t say he was playing just as well.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 31, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
The whole season was basically the worst hockey the Oilers have played since 06-07 and Penner still managed to put together times where he was a dominant player.
To be honest, his point totals could drop next year and he could have a better season by being more consistant…. not just in terms of production but in terms of playing the puck possession game he’s so good at. It was evident at times last year but it was also completely gone the middle part of the season.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I am sure that a healthy Hemsky would have been able to help that.
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
probably, but again he had about 35 really productive games without Hemsky as well. He can definitely play well and has a high level about his game, I just don’t think he can play that way all the time and I’d rather a more consistant 82 games as opposed to what he gave last year.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
frankly how many players are there who play consistently well each and every game? Even some really good players go through unproductive and bad stretches.
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
There are a few who night in and night out give a similar performance. They won’t always get on the scoresheet but they can go out and give a similar performance night after night.
Ryan Smyth was a perfect example of this. He’d get 2 points in 10 games but he was still bringing the same level of play. I don’t think you can say that with Penner at all. He has different games that he brings on various nights.
And to be honest, I don’t even care if it’s night in and night out, as long as it isn’t long stretches on and off, which is what he’s delivered in his career in Edmonton.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
You’re a great commenter db and I typically agree with nearly everything you’re writing, but I think you are off on this one. I think that your reverence for Smyth is getting the best of you. Penner does the same things that Smyth used to do – muck, grind, screen the net, battle for position. Penner kills penalties and stands in front of slapshots on the power play.
Smyth just made it look like he was trying, where Penner makes it look easier.
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I’m talking strictly in the offensive end here.
And it’s not even reverence for Smyth (I’m one of the people who was glad he was traded as opposed to being signed for that term and those dollars).
All I mean is that even if Smyth wasn’t scoring, he was winning puck battles and keeping the play alive. I don’t see Penner doing this all the time and I think it reflects in his microstats as well. Overall he does a good job, but IMO, he has huge peaks and valleys that last for long stretches of time and he’s done this 2 years in a row.
This year he had a 34 game bad stretch sandwhiched in between an excellent 32 game run and a 16 game run. If you compare the good and the bad, his SOG, Fenwick and Corsi are way down. He averaged almost 1 full shot per game less in that 34 game stretch compared to the rest of the year. I can’t check his SC numbers (Tyler’s site is down), but I’m pretty sure they’ll reflect that as well.
He did the same thing last year (though it was more up and down), where he’d have 10-12 really strong games, then a bunch of weaker games.
Overall his good outweighs his bad, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t cause for concern there.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
If only we had microstats from before 2006, so we might be able to test this theory somewhat. I’m sure Smyth had a few runs of shit microstats, too. It happens.
The other thing I wonder would be if Penner was nursing something during that middle stretch, but didn’t sit out because then we really would be icing an AHL team. I mean, he could’ve been like, “fuck this shit, let’s head for the lottery,” then picked it up again once that was mathematically assured, but that doesn’t make any sense.
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Makes sense to me. Penner played his worst stretch of the season during the height of the Fall for Hall hysteria which threatened to strangle the Oilogosphere.
Dustin Penner is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 3, 2010 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I know I was Frustrated with the guy!!
While I did not look as carefully at Penner as I should have and some times was down on him, I was sure wrong! He is a lot like Joe Thornton he never seems to be moving and yet. I really think that if the right guys were around him he could put up some very serious numbers. I did feel he had a lot to learn about being a pro when he came however as his conditioning improved and he was more careful about the consumption of “wheat based drinks” we started to see a dominant player. It will be very interesting to watch him with the new kids.
by Sheldon Oilers Fan for Life on Aug 31, 2010 8:33 AM MDT reply actions
Dvorak Goal
While Dvorak 03 an awesome goal nothing touches Marchant 97 and Pisani 06 in post dynasty glory.
Marchant 97 was on the tail end of 4 years without playoffs and was the starting point for a whole new wave of fans too young for the glory days.
Pisani 06 brought us back into the series after the ugly game 1 choke job/Roloson injury. We lost the series but game 5 was followed by the best game I have ever witnessed in Game 6.
Post-dynasty mount puckmore is clearly Smyth-Marchant-Pisani-Cujo.
While Dvorak 03 an awesome goal nothing touches Marchant 97 and Pisani 06 in post dynasty glory.
I don’t know – I think everyone forgets how depressing it was to play the Stars.
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I remember. I still hate Hogue, Carboneau, Muller, Nieuwendyk and ever other douchebag that ever suited up for that team and crushed our dreams. I see where you are going with rekindling some hope after so much doom, but without the Marchant goal there never would have been hope in the first place.
by Oi on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Agreed. Moreover, Marchant’s goal BEAT the fucking Stars. Devo’s merely delayed the inevitable.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 1, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree. Somebody should write about that guy.
by Benjamin Massey on Sep 2, 2010 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions
You nailed this one, great article. This line says it all “with the fury of an angry bull but the demeanor of a Shaolin Monk”.
More than Ryan Smyth ever could, I think this big guy could lead this team to better days.
I think this big guy could lead this team to better days.
I hope that a combination of Penner and Hemsky is enough to either play together and provide shelter for the young players on this team or split up and try to carry a couple of lines. I don’t think that there’s nearly enough around them to get out of the basement though.
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Nice post. One quibble:
In terms of personnel moves I’d argue that selling off Ryan Smyth because of a $100,000 yearly difference at the negotiating table and using an enormous package of draft picks and money to lure Penner to the Oilers is second only to the Wayne Gretzky trade in fan outrage in Oilers’ history. At the time I didn’t think the move was a good one, but I understood why management decided to go for it. Smyth was just shipped out the door for a ’78 Buick and not much else
The “enormous package” was a first, a second, and a third. The “78 Buick” was a first and two other recent firsts. I don’t see how you can characterize what was given up for Penner as more enormous than what was returned for Smyth. As for enormous amounts of money, the Penner deal was about $6 MM less than the one Smyth turned down (over 5 years in both cases).
Much as I liked Smytty – and I still think there are aspects of his game that haven’t been replaced – I also like Penner. It’s not too tough to connect the dots from “Smyth gone” to “Penner signed”, and arguably the Oilers upgraded in terms of both “assets” and cap hit while going younger and bigger.
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The "enormous package" was a first, a second, and a third. The "78 Buick" was a first and two other recent firsts. I don’t see how you can characterize what was given up for Penner as more enormous than what was returned for Smyth.
I think the “Penner package” to Anaheim was significantly better than the “Smyth package” to Edmonton because it’s not just random picks going either way. When the Oilers acquired Ryan O’Marra, he was two years out from being drafted, hadn’t progressed offensively in the OHL, and had some injuries. That’s not worth a whole lot. Robert Nilsson was a guy who had been drafted in ‘03 and was playing in the AHL four seasons later. His offense at the AHL level was good, but not overwhelming. I doubt very much he would have returned more than a second round pick on his own. Finally, we have the Long Island pick in the ’07 draft, which they likely projected between 12th and 18th overall. It was a weak draft, so that’s not much to get excited about.
Penner, on the other hand, cost Edmonton their first three picks in the ’08 draft, which was generally regarded as a much better crop of players. Further, the Oilers looked like they were going to be awful. There was a pretty good chance that the Oilers would end up giving up two picks in the top forty that year, and the real potential of giving up a top five draft choice. They ended up getting extremely lucky (with the exception of injuries, but they were bad without the injuries) to “only” give up the 12th pick in the draft.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 31, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I think so too. I thought that the Ryan Smyth trade signified a rebuild. I dont know what made Lowe think otherwise after the draft. We should have kept Gagner in OHL and then sucked and gotten one of top 4 picks along with Eberle. The next season we get MPS and then boom. Agreed we wouldnt have gotten Hall, but I think we would have been in a good position last summer to start the process of making the playoffs.
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
In the end, Penner has replaced the face of the franchise, even if the ornery fanbase won’t admit it.
You may feel like this is a distinction without a difference, but I really don’t think Penner has replaced the face of the franchise even if he has been an adequate replacement for Smyth as 1LW. IMO, the franchise has been “faceless” since Smyth’s departure. Or maybe it’s been Moreau and I just haven’t liked it. His performance and attitude over the last three years has personified the team more than Penner’s, and that’s for sure.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 31, 2010 12:41 PM MDT reply actions
I’m not sure I get what you’re saying. Penner isn’t “Captain Canada”?
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I’m saying that there’s more to being “the face of the franchise” than playing 1LW. Smyth had a connection to the community and to the fanbase that Penner simply hasn’t established. Is that all his fault? Of course not, but it is nonetheless an important part of being “the face of the franchise”. There was a period of time when Ryan Smyth (as well as Jason Smith IMO) embodied the Oilers with his (their) play on the ice. He (they) personified what the whole team was to be like in terms of effort, determination, commitment, and people actually saw those things as strengths on those teams. Has this dysfunctional Oiler team had a positive face and identity? Is it embodying Penner’s positive characteristics? I don’t think so. The team still needs a (good) leader, and a strong identity. These things can be overrated for sure, but I don’t think ignoring them completely is the solution.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 31, 2010 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions
There was a period of time when Ryan Smyth (as well as Jason Smith IMO) embodied the Oilers with his (their) play on the ice. He (they) personified what the whole team was to be like in terms of effort, determination, commitment, and people actually saw those things as strengths on those teams.
I agree with this. Such intangibles don’t show well in microstats, at least not on the individual level, but IMO they do affect the team’s performance if you have (or don’t have) them in abundance.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I will say, however, that Penner proving me right by having the boxcars catch up to the microstats last season was a good feeling, and one that allowed me to smile a smug smile each time he scored or made some fantastic play. It was like following an unknown band for a couple of years and watching them hit it big.
I was one of the very few, like you, that year who actually couldn’t “see” what the media and MacT were talking about that year! I had many long and loud “discussions” with other so called Oilers fans.
It was truly nice that last year he proved your and my faith in his capabilities.
Well there were a few of us on the Penner bandwagon even when his boxcars were way down in 2008-09, but we were in the minority for sure. Even at the time, the microstats told a very different story about Penner’s effectiveness, and as Derek says, it was good to see the boxcars catch up in a big way.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 31, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Dont forget its only his 4th full year. Consider it a break out year, just like everyone elses breakout year, there are slumps. Hemmer and Penns can be dominant together or control 2 seperate lines. A 40-40 season for him isnt a stretch, especially with Hemmer feeding him those sweet passes. The Oil will have a 80+ season from the both of them as long as Hemmer is healthy. I dont lie

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