Oilers' Zone Differential
A couple weeks ago I presented the concept of Expected ZoneFinish, setting the stage for a sequel with this closing paragraph:
Of course if I wanted to be truly scientific about all this, I would repeat the above study with the forwards, or for other seasons, but for now, I've seen enough to accept 0.3 as my working fudge factor from which we can derive Expected ZoneFinish. On an individual level, it's pretty darn interesting to compare that number to Actual (adjusted) ZoneFinish. But that's a subject for another day.
It now is another day, so why not explore that idea in a little more depth? We have seen how a large group of players (200 defencemen with 41+ GP) performs, proving Gabe Desjardins' supposition that "hockey swings hard to the equilibrium"; what can we learn about individual players? While this idea has potential on the macro level, I prefer to start with a micro-study of the players I know best, namely, the Oilers.
First, though, I should mention that I did repeat the study with the forwards, at least the 380 of them who played 41+ GP. There are interesting differences from the defencemen, especially on the Quality of Competition side of things which is much more randomly distributed among the forwards. But one thing that held true was that forwards generally finished their shifts a lot closer to centre-ice than they started them, with the ZoneFinish stats having only about 30% the range as ZoneStarts.
So I calculated Expected ZoneFinish numbers for the Oilers (10+ GP) based on this "working fudge factor", and compared that to where they really did force their faceoffs. First up, the forwards:
| NAME | OZS% | ExpOZF% | ActOZF% | ZoneDiff |
| ALES HEMSKY | 43.5 | 48.1 | 53.5 | +5.4 |
| DUSTIN PENNER | 45.6 | 48.7 | 50.7 | +2.0 |
| GILBERT BRULE | 48.4 | 49.5 | 51.1 | +1.6 |
| RYAN STONE | 52.7 | 50.8 | 52.3 | +1.5 |
| MIKE COMRIE | 47.6 | 49.3 | 49.9 | +0.6 |
| PATRICK O'SULLIVAN | 49.9 | 50.0 | 50.5 | +0.5 |
| RYAN POTULNY | 47.1 | 49.1 | 49.1 | 0.0 |
| RYAN JONES | 47.6 | 49.3 | 49.1 | -0.1 |
| ANDREW COGLIANO | 49.1 | 49.7 | 49.5 | -0.2 |
| SAM GAGNER | 48.8 | 49.6 | 49.4 | -0.3 |
| MARC POULIOT | 51 | 50.3 | 49.8 | -0.5 |
| ROBERT NILSSON | 48 | 49.4 | 48.9 | -0.5 |
| J-FJACQUES | 51.5 | 50.5 | 48.6 | -1.8 |
| ZACK STORTINI | 46.6 | 49.0 | 46.8 | -2.1 |
| FERNANDO PISANI | 46.4 | 48.9 | 45.4 | -3.5 |
| SHAWN HORCOFF | 45.3 | 48.6 | 44.8 | -3.8 |
| ETHAN MOREAU | 45.3 | 48.6 | 43.0 | -5.6 |
Reading across the top line of that, Ales Hemsky started 43.5% of his end zone faceoffs (neutral zone draws omitted) in the offensive zone (OZS%), meaning he took about four draws in his own zone for every three he got in the attacking end of the ice, a tough assignment. Nonetheless, given the normal 70% flow to the equilibrium, Hemsky could be expected to finish about 48.1% of his shifts in the offensive zone (ExpOZF%). Actual ZoneFinish (ActOZF%) - including an adjustment for goals scored while Hemsky was on the ice, which as I understand it, are nominally scored as neutral zone faceoffs - indicates the play finished at the good end of the ice some 53.5% of the time that Ales was out there. The last column, ZoneDifferential, is simply the +/- between where the play really ended up compared to expected rates. In Hemsky's case, that differential is a whopping +5.4%, a very impressive number more than twice as good as any other Oiler and, I would daresay, among the league's elite. When Ales Hemsky is on the ice, the puck is going in the right direction more often than not.
Dustin Penner is a solid second on the club, well behind Hemsky, but Dustin also had to play all 82 games, the last 60 of them with no Hemmer to be seen. Any stat that suggests that Ales Hemsky and Dustin Penner are the top two forwards on the club is a stat that has passed at least one test. Encouraging to see Gilbert Brule next in line; some of that was riding Penner's coattails no doubt, but Dustin himself seemed to do better when he had Brule on his starboard side. For sure the pair showed some synergy on a squad that had precious little of it.
The other three guys on the positive side of this particular ledger are now ex-Oilers, led by Ryan Stone, who had the best underlying numbers of any zero-goal scorer I've ever seen. Here's another one. While Stone's bad knee largely ruined his season, he showed enough in limited playing time to have me concerned that the Oil may have blown it in letting him get away (to Calgary of all stinkin' places). The prospect of Stone becoming GlenX 2.0 is more than a little concerning.
On the bottom end of the list, why there's good old thecaptainethanmoreau. What a surprise. What another vote of confidence for the method.
Actually, I'm tempted to give the three vets on the bottom of the pile something of a break, as they collectively faced by far the toughest QualComp of the forward corps. Still, Shawn Horcoff did exceptionally well by the ZoneDifferential metric in 2008-09 even with tough comp, yet stumbled badly in '09-10, which pretty much matches what my eye saw of Horc this past campaign.
Turning now to the defence:
| NAME | OZS% | ExpOZF% | AdjOZF% | ZoneDiff |
| LADISLAV SMID | 46.8 | 49.0 | 51.4 | +2.4 |
| TOM GILBERT | 49.6 | 49.9 | 51.6 | +1.7 |
| STEVE STAIOS | 50.7 | 50.2 | 50.5 | +0.3 |
| RYAN WHITNEY | 48.8 | 49.6 | 49.6 | -0.1 |
| DENIS GREBESHKOV | 47.9 | 49.4 | 48.9 | -0.5 |
| LUBOMIR VISNOVSKY | 50.2 | 50.1 | 49.6 | -0.5 |
| SHELDON SOURAY | 52.6 | 50.8 | 50.2 | -0.6 |
| JASON STRUDWICK | 46 | 48.8 | 47.4 | -1.4 |
| AARON JOHNSON | 45.9 | 48.8 | 46.7 | -2.1 |
| THEO PECKHAM | 38.9 | 46.7 | 44.4 | -2.2 |
| TAYLOR CHORNEY | 39.2 | 46.8 | 41.3 | -5.5 |
| DEAN ARSENE | 48.8 | 49.6 | 34.6 | -15.1 |
While the forward corps was largely static in '09-10 (Steve Tambellini was busy evaluating), the same can't be said of the defence, which saw major turnover. I have highlighted in blue those players who ended the season as Oilers after starting out elsewhere, and in copper those guys who played the bulk of the year with the Oil before moving on at the deadline. Behind the Net stats don't differentiate for players with multiple teams so I simply have showed full-year totals. I'm pleasantly surprised to see Ladislav Smid atop the list, and not surprised at all to see Tom Gilbert hot on his heels. Both guys saw their percentages pass through 50% in the positive direction, which is clearly a good showing with or without any whizzy adjustments and expectations. Most of Smid's positive results have been credited to his erstwhile partner Lubomir Visnovsky, so it's a little shocking to see Lubo passing through the 50% barrier in the opposite direction. Mind you those numbers are so close to 50% each way that I would categorize him as a neutral player by this metric, but frankly, I expected him to be a pretty strong positive and that wasn't the case in 2009-10.
Near the bottom of the list we see some expected names in Strudwick, Peckham, and Chorney. By the old ZoneShift metric Chorney actually looked to be a positive driver of play, but that's where Expected ZoneFinish reveals the truth that he was in over his head. Those words don't even begin to describe the atrocious results of Dean Arsene. Small sample size and all that, but I think this stat shows pretty conclusively that the play went backwards when he was on the ice. Three times as bad as Taylor Chorney is r-e-a-l bad.
Anyway, all this is still in the exploratory stage, and I welcome any comments and suggestions as to how to improve the method or the interpretation of the results.
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Does this account for when a player is on for a face-off but immediately gets off the ice?
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I’m almost positive that the answer to this will be no.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 17, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s my understanding. All faceoffs he’s out for are accounted for (ZoneStart), and all whistles (ZoneFinish). But lots of shifts begin and/or end with a change on the fly so the numbers are never going to reconcile perfectly. We further limit the results by discounting neutral zone draws and concentrating only on what I call “end zone faceoffs”. It’s only when we start looking at gross totals over a substantial sample size like a full season that we can start to make sense of them.
To me if you send a guy out for a D-zone draw and he is able to successfully make a change that means he has done his job. He gets credited for a tough ZoneStart, has a null result for ZoneFinish and ends up with a net positive for that “shift”. He does it often enough and it will have a positive influence on his zone stats. As it should.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 17, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not sure it has a positive influence on his zone stats though. If I am taking 60% of my faceoffs in the defensive zone (40% OZS) and I take 12 draws in my own end and f.o.g.o. for 50% of them (half) that leaves 6 draws to compare with. Out of those 6 I could go 2off/4def giving me a terrible 33% OZF, despite the fact that on my previous 6 draws I was able to get the puck out and away. I think that if you take 12 draws and only 4 end up back in your own end, you are doing a pretty bang up job in that sort of role, although your OZF is brutal.
For those thinking this is an extreme example, I think the Stoll/Reasoner accomplished this back in 07-08…
Amd that sort of goes to the next point then.
If I’m a coach doing a hard match (on the road) and I send pull a guy off the ice for a face-off and switch him off for the matchup I want, the player I put out there is at the mercy of basically who ever has the puck.
Mercy isn’t quite the right word, but whoever has the puck has the advantage at that point in time.
I think if you put it combined with the context of how the players are used, it has uses but I’m not sure how useful it is as a player analysis tool. 2 players on the same team who play the same position can be used very differently.
In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!
I think it’s useful for player analysis, but that we need to keep the limitations in mind. Especially for the teams we follow closely, we know already who the fogo guys are, so it can help to inform our analysis, rather than discredit the process. For teams we’re unfamiliar with, it’s harder to make the appropriate mental adjustments, but I’d still be more confident looking at a statistical analysis than on the few games I’ve seen any of those unfamiliar players play over the last season. “Role” is something that’s going to have an impact on every statistic. The fogo guys are hurt in this stat for sure, but they also take a hit in Corsi, in their point totals, their goal differential, their rates, and on it goes.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 17, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes indeed, true on all counts. I think this method actually credits f.o.g.o. – which I’m reading as “face off get off” – players without over-crediting them as raw ZoneShift does. What it doesn’t attempt to do is bring in Corsi, scoring chances, or any other outcomes other than where the play starts and where it ends up. So it is doomed to be incomplete.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 17, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that if you take 12 draws and only 4 end up back in your own end, you are doing a pretty bang up job in that sort of role, although your OZF is brutal.
Based on one season’s analysis (580 players with 41+ GP), that’s actually an average outcome. Crudely speaking, 70% of own-zone draws “should” end up in neutral territory. But I have to admit that with so many “null results” (changes on the fly and neutral zone outcomes) I’m not at all sure that I have a real handle on those percentages. It’s not like every end-zone start leads directly to an end-zone finish, but we can only work with what we’ve got. I’m reasonably happy that Expected ZoneFinish 70% of the way to break-even from whatever a player’s ZoneStart is, is a decent working model.
I think if you put it combined with the context of how the players are used, it has uses but I’m not sure how useful it is as a player analysis tool. 2 players on the same team who play the same position can be used very differently.
Yes of course, Dawgbone. An important part of this type of data is to provide that very context you mention, how it helps to define player roles within a team. Expected ZoneFinish is a crude attempt to refine ZoneShift by weighting ZoneStart to league-wide tendencies, and then compare to actual outcomes. It’s an analysis tool, but certainly not the be-all and end-all.
I am going to need to look at other teams, however; when it comes to strategic deployment of players, Pat Quinn’s Oilers may not be the best example!
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 17, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I would note that the forwards at the top and bottom of the list are those taking the hardest OZS%. The three worst by ZoneDiff have the hardest competition (St. Fernando, Horc, & thecaptainethanmoreau)* and the top two, by ZoneDiff, are the straws that stirs the drink. All of these five are doing this while having the most defensive zone draws. The weird thing is that Zorg’s OZS% is so close to these five having the next lowest OZS%; if if he is getting killed in ZoneDiff against the dregs of the league**, why was OTC playing him in the defensive zone so much?
*Respectively these three players have the hardest QualComp From Behind the net Oiler forwards that played over 40 games.
- Zorg has the easiest competition by the same metrics as the ther three are being judged.
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Great post Bruce! I’m looking forward to seeing those forward results you were talking about (hint, hint), but I’m certainly not complaining about the work you’ve done here! The results pass the smell test for me, as you mention in the post, especially looking at which guys sink to the bottom on the back end. Smid’s results are very encouraging, especially since he’s virtually assured to have a larger role this coming season than he did last. One quibble is the comment about Penner looking better with Brule. I don’t know about the ZoneShift numbers, but Penner’s scoring chance numbers were better without Brule than with him. I agree they looked good together, but I don’t remember Penner looking better with Brule than he did with other options. On the bright side, Penner was only one of two forwards (with at least fifty on-ice chances with Brule) who did worse with Brule (the other was O’Sullivan). There were four guys who improved (Gagner, Cogliano, Jacques, and Potulny), so it’s not like Brule was a consistent drag.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 17, 2010 12:47 PM MDT reply actions
Thanks, Scott. The reason I introduced Oilers’ results at this point was to give the method a quick and dirty smell test, and I agree with you that it gets a passing grade although certainly not an A+ or anything. But a lot more Oilers wind up ranked roughly where you’d expect than not.
I will roll out the results for forwards league-wide in another post.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 17, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
One quibble is the comment about Penner looking better with Brule. I don’t know about the ZoneShift numbers, but Penner’s scoring chance numbers were better without Brule than with him
Penner shots percentage: with Brule .530, without .514
Penner goals percentage: with Brule .568, without .522
Scoring chances are important, but making those chances count even more so. Brule was a better shooter, and finisher, than anyone else who played with Penner.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions
That he finished his chances better last season does not mean he will finish them better in the seasons that follow, so I struggle giving him much credit for it. It’s absolutely important to finish your chances, but I’m not convinced Brule did that at such a good clip because he’s such a good shooter. We’ll see what happens as we get more data, but if we set his EV shooting percentage from last season as the line, would you be taking the over or the under?
The other possession data is interesting. Penner ends up better off in Shots and Fenwick with Brule but worse off in SC and Corsi. It’s an odd mixture of data, although missing the end-of-season SC data probably explains some of it, since Penner and Brule had a decent run together there relative to how the team was doing.
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 18, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
if we set his EV shooting percentage from last season as the line, would you be taking the over or the under?
If Brule were to be paired with Penner again, I would take the under on Sh%, the over on Shots, and the over on Goals.
I was going to mention the lower Corsi, cuz to me that’s a tell that Brule and Penner were generating actual shots as opposed to shot attempts. I know they all count as 1, but as the Fibonacci sequence proves, not all 1s are created equal. Corsi be damned, I’ll take a shot over a missed/blocked shot 7 days out of 7.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 18, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’d agree that putting shots on goal is better when you can do it. I just think that each piece tells us slightly different information. Corsi usually jives best with zone time, whereas Fenwick tends to merge slightly better with scoring chances, which is why I found the data a bit surprising (i.e. the discrepancy between SC’s and Fenwick). Because the data is conflicting here, it’s probably fair to say that Penner was about as good at driving possession and creating chances with Brule as he was with other options (and of course, they scored more).
by Scott Reynolds on Aug 18, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, PV. No not yet, but BtN does have similar data for 2007-08 and 2008-09 so the opportunity is there. I’ll see what I can do.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 17, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions

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