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NHL Entry Level Contracts And Junior-Aged Players

In my last article, I looked at the average performance of 18-20 year-olds by way of Corsi and even strength goals for and goals against.  The comments and e-mail feedback I received on the article contained a number of interesting questions and requests for additional data.

This post continues in that vein and after the jump I fulfill all of the requests made of me from that article.

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Here is the original table constructed for the prior article.  These values are all averages by age group and I used player age rather than player eligibility to classify these players.

Age Corsi/60 Rel Corsi GFON/60 GAON/60 GDIFF/60 QC Rk QT Rk
18 -7.41 -1.05 2.47 2.75 -0.29 8/12 7/12
19 -3.11 0.07 2.50 2.58 -0.08 6/12 6/12
20 0.13 3.68 2.58 2.42 0.16 7/12 6/12

 

Scott asked me if I could redo this table using the median values rather than the averages because he was concerned that Ryan O'Reilly's horrendous raw Corsi was skewing the results for the 18-year-old group.  Below is the table reworked with median values:

Age Corsi/60 Rel Corsi GFON/60 GAON/60 GDIFF/60 QC Rk QT Rk
18 -5.63 -0.90 2.39 2.91 -0.52 8/12 7/12
19 -4.15 2.50 2.34 2.50 -0.16 6/12 6/12
20 -0.96 4.40 2.53 2.39 0.15 7/12 6/12

 

O'Reilly's raw Corsi was skewing the results, but the medians dragged the GFON/60 down and the GAON/60 up.  The goal differential gets much worse, from -0.29 to -0.52. Remember, even though O'Reilly spent the entire year in his own end, Craig Anderson kept the Avalanche in game after game.

The next request was to strip away Sidney Crosby from the 20-year-olds to see what impact he had on the group as a whole.  The e-mailer wanted to know if Crosby alone was enough to drag the whole group into the black.  The original table values with all thirty players are the first row, the twenty-year-olds minus Crosby are in the second row.

Age Corsi/60 Rel Corsi GFON/60 GAON/60 GDIFF/60 QC Rk QT Rk
20 0.13 3.68 2.58 2.42 0.16 7/12 6/12
20 -87 0.06 3.26 2.54 2.41 0.12 7/12 6/12

 

Even though he was only one of thirty data points, his impact on Corsi and GFON/60 for the group was significant, but not enough to put the rest of the group into the red.

Next up was a request for data labels on the scatter plot showing Corsi plotted against qualcomp percentage.  I also had a request to color code the scatter plot by age group.    You can find both of those requests fulfilled below, click the plot to enlarge in your browser:

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I've marked the 18-year-olds with red markers, the 19-year-olds with light red markers, and the 20-year-olds with blue markers.  Remember, it's qualcomp percentage based on twelve forwards per team, so qualcomp is normalized between these players.  The lower the qualcomp percentage, the higher the player's qualcomp.  A player with 100% qualcomp would actually rank 12/12 in the behindthenet.com stats.  A couple of things jump out with the new labeling system.

The final request was from Bruce, and he wondered about the differences in numbers between the kids forced into bad organizations or rebuilds versus the kids that have played for stable teams when he asked:

I also wonder if the underagers as a group will be punished somewhat by factors beyond their control, e.g. they wouldn’t have made their teams as underagers if their teams weren’t shitty to begin with. The high draft picks especially so, as they are joining lottery teams and will be more likely to be thrust into roles beyond their capabilities. Their results are bound to be poor, even as they may be the best options for their rebuilding teams.

  I've broken that out below:

Age Corsi/60 Rel Corsi GFON/60 GAON/60 GDIFF/60 QC Rk QT Rk
19 -3.61 0.07 2.58 2.76 -0.18 6/12 5/12
19 PO
-2.03 0.08 2.32 2.19 0.14 7/12 7/12
20 -4.30 2.28 2.37 2.58 -0.20 6/12 6/12
20 PO
5.30 5.28 2.82 2.23 0.58 8/12 5/12

 

The key, in my estimation, is qualcomp.  In both age groups, the players from non-playoff teams are playing second-tough minutes with second-tough qualteam, while kids on playoff teams played third-level minutes.  Bruce's inkling was correct - the players are forced into roles that they are not prepared for, or not capable of handling. 

RiversQ noted:

...the numbers are still a shade small, but this is a great argument for not burning years of service and entry level contracts on 18 and 19 yr olds.

There is a way to get productivity out of players in their first three years of eligibility, likely even on bad teams -- feed the young prospects soft minutes.  However, the question becomes one of asset management.  Is it worth burning through three years of a high-end prospect's contract if they're only effective against third and fourth line minutes?  Signing cheap free agents capable of beating third-level minutes and allowing a prospect time to develop away from the NHL, while not burning through contracts is a more prudent option.

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Is it worth burning through three years of a high-end prospect’s contract if they’re only effective against third and fourth line minutes? Signing cheap free agents capable of beating third-level minutes and allowing a prospect time to develop away from the NHL, while not burning through contracts is a more prudent option.

This is why I would like to see at least 2 of Eberle, MPS and Omark spend a year in the A. Hall is a lock because of the (stupid) NHL or Jr rule for his first post draft year.

by Matt.N on Aug 16, 2010 7:12 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed – Omark can play in the NHL right now given his age; but Eberle to the AHL and Paarjarvi back to Sweden for a further year of development would be to both the players’ and the Oiler’s long term benefit.

by Yeti# on Aug 16, 2010 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

If I were the Oilers, I’d give Omark the softest minutes possible, with the best qualteam possible and the softest zonestart possible. After two seasons of this, I’d use him as bait to get a young defenseman on a great contract and replace him with Eberle / Paajarvi / the rest of the crew.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 16, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you were the Oilers, I’d have to give you a big slap in the face for four years of brutal mismanagement, before agreeing that your idea about Omark is excellent.

by Yeti# on Aug 16, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Eberle and Omark have their contracts starting this season no matter where they play, so there isn’t any incentive to keep them out of the NHL if they’re the best players you’ve got (unless you think that, in doing so, you’ll hurt their development, but I don’t buy that).

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 16, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I remember Hanzal when he was in Junior, man was he a beast for the Rebels. If I was Tambo I’d be talking Maloneys ear off right now trying to make a trade. Or just make an offersheet?

by AdR23 on Aug 16, 2010 9:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Offer sheet is where it’s at. I’d gladly sacrifice a second round pick next year for a longer-term deal for Hanzal.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 16, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would too, but you’ve got to think that’s a deal that the Coyotes would be willing to match (still worthwhile to try though), and the Oilers really aren’t in a position to be giving up first round picks.

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

They may have already sent an offer sheet and we’ll never know. But adding Hanzal to this roster probably gets them out of the the bottom five in the league, if Khabibulin isn’t in jail.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 16, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely not a chance I’d be willing to take with a first round pick. Even if they added Hanzal, the Oilers are still weak on defense, on the wings, and in goal. That’s a lot of weaknesses!

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 16, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not burning a contract year

Eberle is burning a contract year regardless of whether he is on the Oilers this year, so that is a non-factor for him, same for Omark. It is a major factor for MPS and is a legitimate reason for him to either play in Sweden or the AHL this year.

It’s also obviously a factor for Hall, but as you say it is tough to send him back to juniors.

by Smytty777 on Aug 16, 2010 9:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the update Derek. I’m surprised that the median values are worse than the average values. I wasn’t wondering so much about 2008 (there were four guys, so I could do that one myself), as the other years, figuring that guys like James Wright who just aren’t ready would be a huge drag on the average and that the median would be quite a bit better. That didn’t happen though. I guess there are just a lot of guys who get sent out there before they’re ready.

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 16, 2010 10:53 AM MDT reply actions  

I guess there are just a lot of guys who get sent out there before they’re ready.

Agreed, and it makes me wonder just how badly Gilbert Brule was damaged by Doug MacLean.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 16, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the added details, Derek

I appreciate your willingness to respond to questions by taking yesterday’s article further. I think the chart gives tremendous insight, particularly with respect to Gagner (@20) vs. Cogliano at the same age.

Since ideal year-over-year progression would be for a player’s dot to move down (facing tougher competition) and to the right (producing better against them), it would be fascinating to see how more players track. In theory, one should see a steady progression down and to the right from entry in the league to peak years (at least for certain players), followed by receding back after the peak years.

Lack of progression year-over-year (i.e. skating-in-place) or regression should also show up clearly on the chart, and would be a strong indicator of a prospect failing in the league, or at least failing within a given team’s environment.

by oilerBC on Aug 16, 2010 11:02 AM MDT reply actions  

I think the chart gives tremendous insight, particularly with respect to Gagner (@20) vs. Cogliano at the same age.

Ah, wow. Excellent catch.

Since ideal year-over-year progression would be for a player’s dot to move down (facing tougher competition) and to the right (producing better against them), it would be fascinating to see how more players track. In theory, one should see a steady progression down and to the right from entry in the league to peak years (at least for certain players), followed by receding back after the peak years.

Lack of progression year-over-year (i.e. skating-in-place) or regression should also show up clearly on the chart, and would be a strong indicator of a prospect failing in the league, or at least failing within a given team’s environment.

You, sir, have given me an idea for a post or three.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 16, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Terrific post, Derek. Love the new chart. One question: can you add the average performance for 19 and 20? It would be interesting to see where they plot out as agroup against the average 18 y.o. performance.

Gagner’s improvement from 18 to 19 was impressive, but from 19 to 20 much less so.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 17, 2010 4:01 PM MDT reply actions  

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