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Springing Malik is a blog run by a Rangers fan born, raised and still living in the United Kingdom.  A limey hockey fan, you say?  While it's an odd combination, the blog has a numbers bent, so we took notice of it early on.  The writer there, LW3H (which I can only assume is an acronym for the Oilers last season - "[one] Left Wing, 3 Holes") has developed his own set of underlying stats for injuries, of all things. Rather than base injury analysis off of man games lost, as has been the traditional method, he went about developing his own set of tools, all based on injuries.

His first stat was CHIP, Cap Hit of Injured Players, the definition of which I'll leave to LW3H:

...Multiply each game missed by a player by his 2009/10 cap charge, then take the aggregate of these figures for each team and divide by 82.

CHIP analysis should result in a clearer picture of a team's injury situation, as the more cap money sunk into a player, the better that player should be.  On poorly managed teams, this isn't always the case, though.  To alleviate the mismanagement flaw that's inherent in the CHIP analysis, LW3H invented CMIP, or Cumulative Minutes of Injured Player, and AMIP, Average Minutes of Injured Players.  LW3H explains again, this time paraphrased by me:

...Multiply games missed by TOI/G to get CMIP, then take the aggregate of CMIP for the team and divide by games played by the team to arrive at AMIP.

AMIP shows the true impact of the lost players on the team.  So if the Rangers were to lose Wade Redden, his CHIP number is enormous, but his on-ice impact is not, and that's measured in TOI, so his AMIP reflects his true value to the players' portion of team success.

So why is this information relevant to the Oilers and the Northwest?  After the jump we'll look at the numbers.

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We can look at injuries from three different standpoints, all shown in the link:  Man-games Lost, CHIP, and AMIP.

Starting with the traditional metric, man-games lost, the pattern begins to emerge.  Edmonton was the clear winner in this category with 536.  The next closest team was the Philadelphia Flyers with 361 man-games lost, 175 games (or more than two full seasons) behind Edmonton.  The top (bottom?) teams in the league are Edmonton - 536; Philadelphia - 361; Colorado - 355; Long Island - 327; Vancouver - 326; Detroit - 316; and Minnesota - 315.  So the Oilers lead the way, but the Avalanche are 3rd, the Canucks 5th, and the Wild 7th.  Four Northwest teams are in the top seven by this metric.

Using CHIP, the Oilers remain in first at $15,435,000 the Wild are second at $10,379,000 and the Canucks are third at $10,055,000.  The Avalanche slide all the way down to tenth, but there are still four Northwest teams in the top ten. 

Lastly, using AMIP, the story changes slightly.  Edmonton still leads the way by a grotesque margin, over 130 minutes per game surrendered to injuries.  The Flyers take down second place for the second time with 85:25.  Colorado moves up to 4th, Minnesota is 7th, and Vancouver is 8th.  Edmonton, Philadelphia and Carolina (they were third) are at the top of the list by way of the long-term injuries to Nikolai Khabibulin, Ray Emery and Cam Ward.  The Hurricanes also lost Erik Cole for a significant amount of time.

No matter which methodology is used, the the Northwest has four teams in the top ten.  If there is a division set to take a step forward next season, it's the Northwest.  Should these teams see their 2010-2011 CHIP and AMIP numbers settle near the league average, the Northwest will no longer be a patsy.

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Somebody get this man a hyperbaric chamber.

And some bionic ligaments. And maybe a five-minute power play for being checked from behind one of these years. (I’d settle for two, given how often even that comes along.)

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by Doogie2K on Aug 1, 2010 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

And maybe a five-minute power play for being checked from behind one of these years

Good luck with that. I hate to sound like Bruce, but when Hemsky takes a dirty hit, it’s like he’s invisible all of a sudden.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Huh, I don’t see why you should hate to sound like me when I’m right.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe I should have said “I hate to sound like Bruce when he starts complaining about the refereeing…”

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about “I hate to sound like Bruce when he starts complaining about the refereeing even though he is justified to do so”. We lost a lot of guys last year to dirty hits that cost either a two minute penalty (partial list: Iginla on Souray, Handzus on Hemsky, Boogaard on Jones, Murray on Peckham) or nothing whatsoever (Raymond on Smid). We’d lose a guy for 20-50 games, and the bad guys would lose a guy for 2 minutes.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

And some bionic ligaments.

Do they have those now?!

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

God, I wish; I’d make a mint on those things. As it is, there are two people in my lab with, between them, three reconstructed knees, all with pieces of patellar or hamstring tendon.

(The object lesson here is, soccer is bad for your knees.)

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by Doogie2K on Aug 1, 2010 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least that partially explains the Flames disappointing seas….wait a minute…

by Kent Wilson on Aug 1, 2010 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah – you’re screwed.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

How does AMIP account for goalies?

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 11:51 AM MDT reply actions  

If you follow the link to the post, his explanation is there. Not a bad trick, I’d say.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d still say that the AMIP rubric heavily overvalues goalies. Would you seriously consider Lehtonen mising a game to be twice as big of a loss as Ovechkin missing a game? Lehtonen’s injury allowed another goalie to rise and take his place. That never happens with offensive stars. Hedberg put up better numbers than Lehtonen ever did. As a result, Atlanta’s AMIP number I think is heavily bloated.

I think to be a better stat you’d need to separate out the goalies and skaters into two different statistics.

by Beantown Canuck on Aug 1, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, thought that link was for CHIP which I read last season. Yeah, he does it about how I figured. In Khabibulin’s case he played 18 of the first 21, so he would be valued at something north of 50 minutes per game, which is a lot. Roughly three times the ice time of Hemsky. There’s little doubt that Oilers missed Khabibulin quite a lot, but I’d say they missed Hemsky quite a lot too. I agree with Beantown Canuck that the methodology overvalues goalies.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

And if Bruce says it overvalues goalies, you can be sure that it overvalues goalies.

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 1, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

My general rule is that goalies are undervalued by Games Played metrics, but overvalued in terms of Minutes Played. In neither case is there a 1:1 correspondence between netminders and skaters. e.g. a goalie playing 60 minutes in 1 game and 0 in the next, gets credit for only 1 GP, but more ice time than virtually any skater over the two games. When considering goalies as a group, my back-of-the-envelope method is to value their GP at 2X that of a skater, but their MP at more like 0.5X.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one worried that this team which chronically suffers massive injuries just drafted a guy with a habit of thundering through centre ice with his head down and getting sandwiched like Poland in 1939 first overall?

by Benjamin Massey on Aug 1, 2010 12:18 PM MDT reply actions  

No sir. It remains my biggest concern about Hall.

I have a bad feeling that Hall is going to end up bilking the NHLPA out of thousands in about 20 years while acting as Ombudsman.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but at least his parents haven’t made him hold out on his team. Yet.

Then again, maybe that’d be a good thing. Think about it: five years later, Quebec/Colorado won the Stanley Cup. We can make this work, people!

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by Doogie2K on Aug 1, 2010 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I meant to say, “won the Stanley Cup with several pieces acquired in that trade.”

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by Doogie2K on Aug 1, 2010 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting to see what kind of correlation there is between the number of injuries to the number of miles traveled. The NW tends to travel a lot, so it could be one reason they sustain more injuries than average that isn’t going to change. In general, I’d guess that the West as a whole is more injured than the East for that reason.

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 1, 2010 4:27 PM MDT reply actions  

So the solution is better planes with hyperbaric chambers for all NW teams. I’m down with that.

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by Yankee Canuck on Aug 1, 2010 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I tried to do this once, but the injury information is so horribly unavailable or vague, that it tends to sully the correlation beyond anything useful. For example, there are teams with lots of man games lost to non-ice related injuries (Erik Johnson and his golf cart to mind).

If there was a better record or injuries/causes, it would be possible.

by Kent Wilson on Aug 1, 2010 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the references. (Still living in the UK? Ah, I’m sure Chris Pronger’s wife would like it here…)

In respect of a couple of the points raised:

  • I’m not totally sold on AMIP being any less flawed than CMIP anyway. A #4 D-man will have a much smaller disparity in TOI with a top-line forward than in cap hit, for example, so it doesn’t feel as reliable in some circumstances.
  • AMIP almost certainly overvalues goaltending – I’ve acknowledged that throughout. I’m just reluctant (and too lazy) to add a subjective adjustment to the figures for goalies. I post all the individual player data each month, so anomalies can be stripped out.
  • Only got two seasons of data, but as far as West vs East goes, for 08/09 I had the West at 4,006 man-games and CHIP of $105.8m, the East at 4,121 / $119.3m. For 09/10, West at 3,657 / $101.2m, East at 3,439 / $98.1m. Inconclusive on the face of it – and prone to some distortion.

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by LW3H on Aug 1, 2010 6:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Is there a chance to do it with, say, relative corsi at 5v5? Perhaps multiplied by ATOI at 5v5, to get at a little more at a player’s impact (RCoAMIP?!). There’s still a lot of problems here, but the relative corsi might integrate some of the context for those players who play a lot against the other team’s best. (Apologies if you discussed this somewhere, I haven’t had a chance to read all the links).

by antro on Aug 3, 2010 3:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

•I’m not totally sold on AMIP being any less flawed than CMIP anyway. A #4 D-man will have a much smaller disparity in TOI with a top-line forward than in cap hit, for example, so it doesn’t feel as reliable in some circumstances

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I agree with this. Both methods have their flaws, but each shines some light on the issue from different angles. Everything needs to be considered in context.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 2, 2010 12:04 AM MDT reply actions  

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Northwest Standings

GP W L OTL PT
Vancouver 52 32 15 5 69
Minnesota 52 25 19 8 58
Calgary 53 24 22 7 55
Colorado 54 26 25 3 55
Edmonton 53 21 27 5 47

(updated 2.7.2012 at 7:26 AM MST)

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Western Conference

  1. Detroit Red Wings (22-7, .759)
  2. San Jose Sharks (13-5, .722)
  3. Vancouver Canucks (17-7, .708)
  4. St. Louis Blues (11-6, .647)
  5. Chicago Blackhawks (16-11, .593)
  6. Nashville Predators (11-10, .524)
  7. Los Angeles Kings (9-9, .500)
  8. Phoenix Coyotes (11-12, .478)
  9. Dallas Stars (11-14, .440)
  10. Edmonton Oilers (11-15, .423)
  11. Anaheim Ducks (10-14, .417)
  12. Colorado Avalanche (8-13, .381)
  13. Calgary Flames (9-15, .375)
  14. Minnesota Wild (7-13,.350)
  15. Columbus Blue Jackets (5-19, .208)

Eastern Conference

  1. Boston Bruins (21-3, .875)
  2. New York Rangers (18-8, .692)
  3. Pittsburgh Penguins (16-9, .640)
  4. Philadelphia Flyers (14-11, .560)
  5. Toronto Maple Leafs (14-12, .538)
  6. Washington Capitals (13-13, .500)
  7. Montreal Canadiens (11-11, .500)
  8. Ottawa Senators (10-12, .455)
  9. New Jersey Devils (10-12, .455)
  10. Winnipeg Jets (10-14, .417)
  11. Carolina Hurricanes (9-13, .409)
  12. Florida Panthers (7-11, .389)
  13. Buffalo Sabres (7-14, .333)
  14. Tampa Bay Lightning (9-19, .321)
  15. New York Islanders (6-14, .300)

Division Standings

  1. Central (50-38, .568)
  2. Northeast (49-38, .563)
  3. Atlantic (45-37, .549)
  4. Pacific (36-36, .500)
  5. Northwest (33-44, .429)
  6. Southeast (33-53, .384)


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