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Hall Signs, Heads to Development Camp

Taylor Hall won the Memorial Cup in May, was drafted first overall in June, and signed his entry-level contract with the Oilers in July. Now it's off to work at the Oilers' summer development camp, this week at Clareview Arena. 
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Taylor Hall won the Memorial Cup in May, was drafted first overall in June, and signed his entry-level contract with the Oilers in July. Now it's off to work at the Oilers' summer development camp, this week at Clareview Arena. via view4.picapp.com

Last time I went to summer camp to ogle Taylor and Jordan was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. The opportunity is once again at hand, and while this time my thoughts will not be prurient in nature my eyes will no doubt be all over the attractive young things.

The apple of everyone's eye will surely be Taylor Hall, who today signed a three-year entry-level pact with the Oilers. While hardly as dramatic as Wayne Gretzky signing a 21-year personal services contract at centre ice - today's press conference lasted less than five minutes, half of it garbled questions from reporters who, as usual, were not equipped with microphones so the viewing/listening audience could actually follow along - the signing was a necessary step which has been taken care of with minimal drama. No terms were announced, but it's assumed that Hall's deal will be similar in scope to those signed by recent first-overalls like Patrick Kane, Steven Stamkos, and John Tavares: the rookie maximum topped up by readily-achievable bonuses which should bump the overall cap hit to the $3.75 MM range.

The camp will be interesting for more than just Hall, however. Many names that Oiler fans have been following with interest in recent times will be on display at Clareview Arena the next four days. The Oilers might rank DFL in the NHL standings, but the prospect group Stu MacGregor has assembled is one of the finest around.

Star-divide

The summer camp roster currently consists of 28 players, all but three of them Oilers' draftees. The group is made up of 18 forwards, 7 defencemen, and 3 goaltenders. Let's have a look by draft class:

2010: All eleven players drafted 10 days ago will be here: F Taylor Hall, F Tyler Pitlick, D Martin Marincin, F Curtis Hamilton, F Ryan Martindale, D Jeremie Blain, G Tyler Bunz, D Brandon Davidson, F Drew Czerwonka, F Kristians Pelss, and F Kellen Jones.

2009: All seven draftees will be here: F Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson, F Anton Lander, D Troy Hesketh, F Cameron Abney, D Kyle Bigos, F Toni Rajala, and G Olivier Roy.

2008: Three of the five picks will be at camp: F Jordan Eberle, F Philippe Cornet, and F Teemu Hartikainen. Absent will be Johan Motin and Jordan Bendfeld, presumably because both have already played a pro season in North America.

2007: F Milan Kytnar, who played as an overage junior last year, will try to impress. Linus Omark has been excused, presumably due to his age and extensive professional experience, even though it has all been in Europe. William Quist, meanwhile, has disappeared off the face of the earth.

2006: D Jeff Petry, who recently signed after completing his four years of university, will attend his first camp as a pro. G Bryan Pitton is the one player with a full season (actually two) of North American professional experience under his belt, presumably because a) goalies are different, b) the Oilers need a third goalie to spell off Roy and Bunz, c) Pitton needs all the exposure (and practice) he can get, and d) goalies are different.

2005: F Chris Vande Velde is another college grad getting his first shot at the pros.

The group also includes three undrafted free agents, including:

Damon Kipp, a big hitting defender who has played at the University of New Hampshire the past two years. At 205 pounds, Kipp is the second heaviest player at camp, far in arrears of Bigos' imposing 230-lb. frame.

 F Connor Jones, Kellen's twin. I don't know if they're identical, but both are listed at 5'9, 165. The pair formed a deadly scoring duo for the BCHL's Vernon Vipers, two-time national Tier Two champions. Although the Oilers drafted just one of them, apparently the two come as a package. They're no Sedins, for sure; at best we can hope for the Ferraro twins redux.

F Mike Connolly, a former Camrose Kodiaks scoring star who has posted consecutive 40-point seasons at the University of Minnesota-Duluth. Here's what the prescient Jonathan Willis had to say about Connolly a year ago:

Mike Connolly's ranked lower despite his fine offensive totals because he's an overage player (born in July of 1989) but he's had a fine transition from the AJHL to NCAA hockey.  I don't think he'll get drafted, but even if he doesn't I would be very surprised if he doesn't show up at some team's summer camp.

Surprisingly there's nary a mention of last spring's college free-agent signings Matt Beca, Eddie DelGrosso, Jesse Gimblett, and Jeff Riley. Not sure why not. I do know that logistically the camp would likely benefit from a fourth goaltender and an eighth defenceman, which come to think of it sounds like Jason Strudwick's position description. This would be a great place for Struds to show his highly-praised leadership skills, no?

I'll be heading down to Clareview for tomorrow morning's skate, scheduled from 10:00 to noon, and perhaps others later in the week. If you'd like a report on a particular aspect of a particular player, please leave a request in the comments.

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I have always had an interest in Milan Kytnar. As I live in Ontario, I have only had the opportunity to see him at the World Juniors. Could you give a scouting report about how his skating compares with other players at the camp, and if your opinion on how he reads the play. If he is going to succeed at the NHL it is because he is a defensive player, so these attributes need to be above the rest of the kids at camp.

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by B.C.B. on Jul 5, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Sure thing. Kytnar has been of interest to me for awhile. I anticipate him to be a poor man’s Anton Lander, frankly, except of course Lander is two years younger. Vande Velde is the other guy who’s in the mix for a similar role, although he’s older and bigger than the others so should have an edge.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 5, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

So many players I am curious about. Mostly, I’d appreciate any details on how Lander looks in camp. I wonder if after one more season in Sweden he’ll be able to jump straight into the Oilers line-up.

by Psyche10 on Jul 5, 2010 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

So many players I am curious about.

Ditto. You’re darn tootin’ that Lander will be one of the guys I’ll be watching closely out there; I’ve been following his career with particular interest. Looking forward to seeing him in the flesh.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 5, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hall probably won’t hit most of his bonuses this year if he has similar rookie seasons to previous non-Crosby 1st overall picks. Patrick Kane ended up at just under 2 million in salary earned. And Stamkos should have probably ended up with around 1.1 million and Tavares at around 1.6.

by Double DD on Jul 5, 2010 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s hard to say since we only have ballpark numbers for the bonuses. What are you basing your estimates on? Has the actual money paid out to previous players been reported somewhere?

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

nhlnumbers.com shows cap hits between $3.725 and $3.750 for all three guys in 2009-10, in which each would have been at some stage in his ELC.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 5, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that doesn’t tell us what they actually got paid, it’s just how much they could make if they get all of their bonuses.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m just trying to guesstimate cap hit. I’m assuming that Hall will hit all of his bonuses given he’s the best player since Mark Messier. :)

Seriously, cap hit won’t be an issue in the first year, but by the end I expect every one of those guys to be maxing out on their bonuses.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 5, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not at all easy to max out on your bonuses. Probably the easiest A bonuses you could give would be top six in ice time, twenty goals, thirty-five assists and 0.73 points per game with each one worth $212,500. The B bonuses are things like finishing in the top ten in the league in various categories or the top five in voting for major awards. Stamkos, for instance, very likely received a $250,000 bonus for winning the Richard this year and Toews received a $250,000 for winning the Conn Smythe. I’ll be thrilled if the Oilers need to pay out bonuses like that, but it’s definitely not a sure thing.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stamkos not only would have earned the Schedule B bonuses payed out by the team, but also the bonuses payed out by the league as well. So he probably would have been around 4.4 million in salary earned this year.

by Double DD on Jul 5, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don’t really know if Stamkos earned all or any of his B bonuses because we don’t know what his contract stipulates for the triggers. He likely earned something but I have no idea what. We do know that he got $560k from the league ($250k for the Richard, $150k for leading the league in goals (why that’s separate from the Richard, I don’t know), $110k for finishing 5th in points, and $50k for finishing 6th in points per game) but that doesn’t have any impact on what the team pays him.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless there are some special considerations made when no all-star game is played, wouldn’t the maximum payout from the team be 900K base + 6 × 212.5K (min milestones reached) = $2,175,000. Which puts his max earned at just above $2.7 M.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on Jul 5, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. He can earn up to $850k in A Bonuses (or 4 times $212,500 if that’s how they set it up) and up to $2M in B Bonuses from the team. When you add in his $900,000 base you get his cap number of $3.75M.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s an article from a few years back which actually talks about what Crosby and Kane made. I don’t have it on hand, but I remembered the approximate numbers.

 But for Stamkos and Tavares, I just calculated it based on the CBA.
http://www.nhlscap.com/Exhibit5.htm
I assumed they both had max bonuses built into their contract. For Stamkos, the ony Schedule A Bonus he would have hit was the goals and he wouldn’t have hit any Schedule B Bonuses. So I only had him collecting just $212,500 in bonus money for that one category he hit.

by Double DD on Jul 5, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

We still can’t be sure even if he hits the minimum number. There’s no guarantee the bonus trigger in his contract is set at twenty goals. It could be thirty or forty or whatever.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, I was more trying to clarify Bruce’s original statement about Hall likely hitting most of his bonuses. Even with the minimum standards, players like Stamkos and Tavares would likely earn less than half their cap hit in salary as rookies, and even less with higher standards. Although in that article that I referenced in my previous post, it seemed that the standards for Kane, Crosby, Malkin etc. were set at the minimums for a lot of the bonus categories they were eligible for. I’d imagine Hall’s would be similar.

by Double DD on Jul 5, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s really all the agent can do to negotiate for the top picks, so I think you’re probably right. Given Hall’s contract is finished now, I would assume he has the minimum thresholds, but you never really know.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Coke Machines

Hesketh, Abney and Bigos

Aside from the guys I am sure you will be following (Hall, MPS, Eberle) these guys are the most interesting to me. Can any of them actually skate? Is there any kind of player in there? Something to hope for developing on down the line would be nice.

by Matt.N on Jul 5, 2010 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Totally unrelated

Sorry to stick this here, but I just got a text saying Bob Probert has passed at age 45. Apparently, he was in a boating accident, rescue crews weren’t able to revive him.

And that’s just awful.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326672

by chappy35 on Jul 5, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Terrible news. Too many troubled goons seem to go early but Probert seemed to have been getting his head on straight the last few years.

by Benjamin Massey on Jul 5, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

How busy will it be?

Hey Bruce, I’m interested to know how busy the camp is compared to past years. Also if you expect to see a big crowd on Friday for the 3on3? I’m thinking of taking the morning off to take my son down to Claireview to watch.

by HockeyDad16K on Jul 5, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I am jealous of you Edmontonians. Hopefully the blogging will be frequent and in detail for those of us not able to attend. Besides the players this is also the first chance to see Renney in charge. I am optimistic that there will be some comments on the training he delivers.

by Psyche10 on Jul 5, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Bringing in Connor Jones is an unusually smart thing for the Oilers to do. Those kids are little and they’re older but they can skate and by Christ they can play hockey and were the two best players on possibly the best junior ‘A’ team in modern history. The WHL is too hidebound for its own good sometimes – those are two brothers who should have at least gotten a major junior shot.

by Benjamin Massey on Jul 5, 2010 4:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Last time I went to summer camp to ogle Taylor and Jordan was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. The opportunity is once again at hand, and while this time my thoughts will not be prurient in nature my eyes will no doubt be all over the attractive young things.

This opening paragraph is great. Creepy but not too creepy. I also really like your suggestion about having Strudwick attend camp as a kind of mentor figure. It doesn’t look like it’s going to happen but it’s a great idea.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

2005: F Chris Vande Velde is another college grad getting his first shot at the pros.

If he or Hartikainen aren’t the most physical players in camp, I’m going to be disappointed.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 5, 2010 7:18 PM PDT reply actions  

i may be wrong but iirc Hesketh had shoulder surgery in the spring and will be out until november or so. am I totally off on this ?? thought i saw it on the pipeline website.

too bad if true would be interesting to see if he has grown into a hulk of a man like MacGregor guessed when he drafted him

by esatikkanen on Jul 5, 2010 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

You are remembering correctly. I’m not sure what he’ll be able to do at camp with the bad wing. Maybe Bruce can give us an update on this.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 5, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Surprisingly there’s nary a mention of last spring’s college free-agent signings Matt Beca, Eddie DelGrosso, Jesse Gimblett, and Jeff Riley.”

Blair Riley not Jeff Riley.

by Traktor on Jul 6, 2010 7:29 AM PDT reply actions  

By golly, you’re right. Any idea where he is?

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 6, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

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