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Edmonton's Top 25 Under 25 - #5 Ladislav Smid

We enter the home stretch of C&B's prospects series by looking at the lone defenceman to make the top 10: Ladislav Smid.

How tough is it to project the career of a young stay-at-home defender? NHL GMs seemingly have trouble with this evaluation, judging by the number of these types who wind up on a second or even third club before they make their breakthrough as a reliable player, usually in their mid-to-late 20s right on into their 30s. But the early years can be an adventure, warts on full display, lessons learned the hard way.

Here in Edmonton we experienced the growing pains of Dave Langevin, Jeff Beukeboom, and Matt Greene, to name three guys who improved at a glacial rate in their early careers before being moved out of town just when they were on the cusp of becoming solid Top Four defenders. We also saw the arrival of Lee Fogolin, Craig Muni, and Jason Smith, deemed expendable by their former clubs but who looked and played like solid NHLers from the day they arrived here. Limited, unspectacular players for the most part, but the type who can be found on seemingly any contender.

Even after four years and 253 NHL games of watching Ladi Smid, Oiler fans are still unsure as to what we have. It's pretty hard to project him into The Next Jan Hejda, given that Hejda never stepped on to a North American ice surface until he was 28 years old, with years of one-on-one battles under his belt having filed away many of the rough edges. It's difficult even to compare him to Mattias Norstrom, who had played just 18 NHL games entering his 24-year-old season. After the jump we'll look at a few comparables, albeit with some major caveats.

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RankPlayer DOBDraftedYearBen
Bruce
Derek
JonScott
5 Ladislav Smid  2/1/86
9 2004
5 5 4 4 5

 

As you can see, all five C&B writers have Smid in the top 5, but all have ranked him outside the consensus top 3. Perhaps at 24 we have a better fix on the limitations of his upside then we do on the hotshot forwards who populate the top of the list. Or perhaps he just isn't all that good. But good or not, he's currently the most promising young defender under contract, and a big part of the reason I was firmly against the Dany Heatley trade right off the hop.

How do we find comparables? Boxcars don't exactly capture the essence of players like Smid, other than to confirm he's not much of an offensive threat. Nonetheless I tapped into Hockey-Reference.com's useful "play index" feature to make this list of ten European defencemen who had played at least 100 games through their 23-year-old season and had somewhat similar boxcars:

 

Player GP G A PTS +/- PIM S S%
Ladislav Smid 253 4 30 34 -32 191 167 2.4
Vitaly Vishnevski 334 10 30 40 -19 312 271 3.7
Aki Berg 293 8 38 46 -23 204 292 2.7
Zdeno Chara 231 6 23 29 -61 347 196 3.1
Stan Neckar 227 6 17 23 -47 142 153 3.9
Darius Kasparaitis 214 6 35 41 -14 423 215 2.8
Roman Polak 172 5 32 37 -10 110 161 3.1
Anton Volchenkov 151 8 28 36 18 101 172 4.7
Danny Markov 141 6 23 29 18 103 87 6.9
Niklas Hjalmarsson* 111 3 18 21 11 33 82 3.7
Marek Malik 107 3 15 18 -3 90 71 4.2
Average Other 10 198.1 6.1 25.9 32 -13 186.5 170 3.6

There's a lot of pretty good players on that list. It's hard to imagine Smid exploding into an offensive force the way Chara did in his later career, or to become quite the search-and-destroy machine that Kasparaitis was. A more fervent hope is that he will develop some durability in the manner of a Volchenkov, and be able to withstand the punishment that accrues naturally to stay-at-home rearguards. Indeed, durability is the biggest concern about Smid's career going forward.

Since the range of GP varies by a factor of three, let's dally a little longer on the same list of players on a per-game basis:

Player G/G A/G P/G +-/G PIM/G S/G
Ladislav Smid 0.02 0.12 0.13 -0.13 0.75 0.66
Vitaly Vishnevski 0.03 0.09 0.12 -0.06 0.93 0.81
Aki Berg 0.03 0.13 0.16 -0.08 0.70 1.00
Zdeno Chara 0.03 0.10 0.13 -0.26 1.50 0.85
Stan Neckar 0.03 0.07 0.10 -0.21 0.63 0.67
Darius Kasparaitis 0.03 0.16 0.19 -0.07 1.98 1.00
Roman Polak 0.03 0.19 0.22 -0.06 0.64 0.94
Anton Volchenkov 0.05 0.19 0.24 0.12 0.67 1.14
Danny Markov 0.04 0.16 0.21 0.13 0.73 0.62
Niklas Hjalmarsson* 0.03 0.16 0.19 0.10 0.30 0.74
Marek Malik 0.03 0.14 0.17 -0.03 0.84 0.66
Average Other 10 0.03 0.13 0.16 -0.07 0.94 0.86

So what does all this tell us? First it's important to note that Smid is the oldest guy on the list, in the sense that his February 1 birthday is exactly on the cutoff. Had he been born a day earlier, last season would have been his 24-year-old season by Hockey-Reference standards. No doubt this factor contributed at least a little to Smid ranking third among the 11 guys in GP. (* I should point out that Hjalmarsson has yet to play his 23-year-old season; he's 16 months younger than Smid and shows every sign of being on an accelerated learning curve relative to most of the guys identified here, Ladi included.)

Smid has the lowest goals-per-game, and the worst shooting percentage, of everybody on the list. Not a big deal, we're dealing with small number statistics across the board in this group; one or two seeing eye wristers will put that right. Still, with just one lonely goal his last three seasons, it has become apparent that goal-scoring will never be Smid's forte. Then again, the aforementioned Mattias Norstrom was a pretty effective player while only ever exceeding 2 goals just once in 14 seasons.

Smid's point rate is near the lower end of the group, but some of that is surely team effects. Chara had no more success in his Islander days, while Volchenkov - hardly my idea of an offensive dynamo - leads the pack in per-game production, no doubt due to his playing on a stacked squad in Ottawa. Plus/minus figures are similarly subject to situation; Chara and Neckar were on awful teams in their early careers, and Smid has similarly played on a non-playoff team throughout his first four years. The good news is that he has turned this number around in the last couple of years, posting a +5 to lead Oiler defenders in 2009-10.

Of course a significant part of that has to do with Quality of Teammates. Last season Smid played a great deal with Lubomir Visnovsky, with the latter's trade to Anaheim occurring after Smid's season had already come to a premature end, courtesy a dirty hit by Vancouver's Mason Raymond. It's interesting to see how Smid performed at even strength with and without Visnovsky, which we can do courtesy of Vic Ferrari's neato toolbox over at timeonice.com (give it a minute to load). Looking at Smid alone, the results are kind of alarming:

Ladi and Lubo together: 26 GF, 19 GA (.578); 296 SF, 265 SA (.528)

Ladi apart: 9 GF, 12 GA (.429); 102 SF, 168 SA (.378)

Egads, a drop of 150 basis points in Smid's shot rate in limited time with other partners. Of course some of those guys were named Staios (.410 shots rate with Smid), Strudwick (.333), Chorney (.280), or Peckham (.111). It's reminiscent of comparing a midpack forward's performance with Penner vs. how he played with thecaptainethanmoreau or JFJ. Straight into the crapper and flush twice.

Lubo apart: 15 GF, 19 GA (.441); 166 SF, 174 SA (.488)

It's interesting to note that even Lubo the Great saw a substantial dip in his own performance when paired away from Smid, so it wasn't just a one-way relationship.

Indeed, the same comparison can be made right across the team, thanks to another nifty timeonice.com invention which shows underlying numbers of every teammate when paired with the chosen player. This shows that Smid was +15/-8 when on the ice with Penner; +13/-8 with Khabibulin; +12/-5 with Brule; +26/-19 with Visnovsky; +8/-3 with Hemsky. Put the guy on the ice with decent players and he was an outscorer. With scrubs, not so much.

The ideal spot for Smid going forward would likely be paired with Tom Gilbert, a heady, puck-moving defender with reach and range who could himself use a solid, reliable partner. Hard to imagine Tom Renney messing with the Gilbert-Ryan Whitney pair that ended last season on a tear, so it seems more likely that Smid will wind up with a less mobile partner like Kurtis Foster or even Sheldon Souray. Still, the evidence seems clear enough that Ladi is more than ready to be a full-time Top Four defender playing with and against upper echelon players.

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Good analysis Bruce. I think we need to keep in mind that Smid’s PDO number was very high for the Oilers last season. His .928 EV save percentage led the regular defenders (which shows how bad the goaltending was) and his on-ice shooting percentage of 8.8% was also higher than league average. I agree that the Oilers need to see what he can do with and against good players this coming season, but I think he’s still got a ways to go before he’s proved that he’s capable of being a consistent outscorer in that role.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 31, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Every plus player on the Oilers had a PDO north of 1.000. Certainly it’s true of Smid as well; note how in the WOWY analysis above, Smid’s goals rate was .050 higher than his shots rate both with and without Visnovsky. So there was some percentage-riding involved, no doubt about it.

Perhaps my last statement should have been weakened to read: “… Ladi is more than ready to be deployed as a full-time Top Four defender …” Because you’re exactly right, Scott, he still needs to prove what he can do against good players. But there’s only one way to find out; at a certain point in the career curve, “sheltering” a developing player becomes synonymous with “holding him back”. That said, he was mostly second pairing with Vis last year, jumped from under 15 minutes a game to over 19, and significantly improved his +/- for the second year running. There were also positive signs in (some of) the underlying numbers, e.g. ZoneStart = 46.8%, ZoneFinish = 51.1%. If only he would have finished the season it would have seemed a bigger step forward.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

We’re definitely in agreement regarding development. It’s time to see what Ladi can do. I just hope that they get him a partner with some kind of track record.

by Scott Reynolds on Aug 1, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dallas had the same issues with their young defenders. I actually see Smid’s game very similar to Grossman’s game and Grossman didn’t get a real partner and a take his huge step forward until last season – his 24 year old season. This is Smid’s 24 year old season.

I’d still like to see a top pairing of Souray – GIlbert and a second pairing of Whitney – Smid.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grossman’s a great comp. Last year was technically his 25-year-old season, as his birthday of 1985 January 22 is just on the other side of the International Birthdate Line, thus his last two seasons were filtered out by my query even though he’s barely a year older than Smid. Give him ten days grace though, and at the equivalent point of his career that Smid is now, he was at 151 GP, 2-17-19, +1, 77 PiM. Not much offence, but emerging as a defensive presence. It’s also interesting to track Grossman’s ATOI: 12:49, 15:33, 17:39, 19:11, as he grows into a Top Four role.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Smid magically turns into Grossman, I’ll need to drastically redo my top 25 list.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great series guys

Can’t get this stuff anywhere else. Excellent job all!

Nice post Bruce.
I keep watching Ladi and hoping like hell he’ll skate onto the ice and “get it”, he’s close, but as LT says, someone may actually remove his head from his neck before that happens.

Hope Smith can teach him how to protect himself.

by Woodguy on Jul 31, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Hope Smith can teach him how to protect himself.

Thanks, Woodguy, and yeah, I had intended to write that exact statement into the article. Nobody used to run at Steve the way they do Ladi. Those who did lived (barely) to regret it. We used to call it the lumber sandwich.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Aug 1, 2010 12:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I think more guys need to carry their sticks high to make a point these days as a general rule.

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by Doogie2K on Aug 1, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

suspended until the heat death of the universe.

Oh, well done.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

The real solution here is to get rid of the second ref and the HDTV cameras. I’m betting that time Gordie sucker-punched a young Stan Mikita for taking a run at him earlier in the season never made it to film.

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by Doogie2K on Aug 1, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jon and Derek had Smid rated ahead of Eberle (or possibly Paajarvi)?

SHAME!!!!

by hockeysymposium on Aug 1, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Derek has Smid 4th and Pitlick 5th?

I’ll be interested to see which of Hall, Eberle, Gagner, or Paajarvi Derek has rated behind Pitlick, I’d figured that might well be everyone’s top 4 (in some order) but now i realize that must not be the case.

by hockeysymposium on Aug 1, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

You could easily figure that out by looking at February’s rankings.

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by Derek Zona on Aug 1, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

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