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Cashing In On Dual Offer Sheets

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The words "offer sheet" combine for a horribly dirty phrase for some in the hockey world.  It's considered dirty pool by many fans and major media personalities, while general managers like Darcy Regier and Brian Burke take it as a personal affront.  Though it's not such a terrible sleight that it prevents them from later making moves that they deem right for the team, such as unloading Ales Kotalik on the evil guys that send out offer sheets.

Collectively, the authors here at The Copper & Blue are hockey's biggest (and quite possibly only) proponent of dual offer sheets.  The concept of a dual offer sheet is simple:  send offer sheets to two separate restricted free agents currently employed by the same team, especially when that team is in some amount of cap distress.  Essentially, you are forcing a team to make a choice between their assets.  I've been lauding them for a couple of years and wrote an article about them last season in which I detailed and predicted that Phil Kessel trade, thank you very much.  Because the team making the offer sheet must surrender draft picks, it doesn't make sense for a team in the lottery to make an offer, unless the player being targeted is high-end, lottery-like talent.  The strategy makes the most sense for teams in the bottom third of the draft that may have a difficult time finding talent to make an impact, or teams in the bottom two-thirds of the draft that may need an impact player but don't see that player in unrestricted free agency.

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Article 10.4 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement [Warning, PDF link] covers the compensation levels and draft pick requirements for offer sheets:

Clubs must use their own draft picks (being those awarded directly to the Club by the League for use by it in the Entry Draft, including such draft picks described in the first clause of this parenthetical that a Club has traded or encumbered, and subsequently re-acquired or unencumbered.)  Clubs cannot acquire picks to use as compensation (with the exception being a Club's own draft selections that are traded and then re-acquired).

Article 10.4 also outlines that the selections must be available the following season:

  • Clubs owing one (1) draft selection must have it available in the next draft.
  • Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in different rounds must have them available in the next draft.
  • Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in different rounds must have them available in the next draft.
  • Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in the same round, must have them available in the next three (3) drafts.
  • Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in the same round must have them available in the next four (4) drafts, and so on

Below are the estimated salary ranges and corresponding compensation for 2010-2011, based on a $2,000,000 cap increase:

Salary Range Compensation
 $        1,029,448 No Compensation
 $        1,029,449  $        1,559,770  2011 3rd round pick
 $        1,559,771  $        3,119,539  2011 2nd round pick
 $        3,119,540  $        4,679,310  2011 1st round pick, 2011 3rd round pick
 $        4,679,311  $        6,239,080  2011 1st round pick, 2011 2nd round pick, 2011 3rd round pick
 $        6,239,081  $        7,798,850  2011 1st round pick, 2012 1st round pick, 2011 2nd round pick, 2011 3rd round pick
 $        7,798,851  2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 1st round picks.

 

Given the compensation, the only way to put together dual offer sheets without using multiple first round picks is by using the third [$1,559,771 - $3,119,539] and fourth [$3,119,540 - $4,679,310] salary ranges which require a 2nd round puck and a 1st and 3rd round pick as compensation, respectively.  By sending out a dual offer sheet in this manner, the offering team is putting each of their top three picks on the line, but at worst can only lose either the 1st and 3rd round picks or the 2nd round pick. 

I've sorted the target teams by next year's contracted cap hit, so the teams at the top of the list are in the most cap distress.

Chicago Blackhawks

Andrew Ladd ($1,600,000)
Antti Niemi ($800,000)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($600,000)

  • The Blackhawks are in trouble next year.  They're going to need to find about $12 million in cap space and fast.  I don't know that any of these players are worth a 1st and 3rd round pick, so if I were a general manager and wanted to target these players, I would make an offer to Ladd in the [$1,559,771 - $3,119,539] range and to Hjalmarsson in the [$1,029,449 - $1,559,770] range.  A team like the San Jose Sharks could use a tough minutes guy like Ladd or a top four defenseman on the cheap like Hjalmarsson.

New York Rangers

Dan Girardi ($1,600,000)
Marc Staal ($800,000)

  • Staal has become the Rangers go-to defenseman in any and all matchups.  Even though he's young, his qualcomp is that of a veteran and he is a very steady presence for the Rangers.  Girardi was Tom Renney's pet project, but has grown into a very reliable second-pairing defenseman.  Stall immediately provides value at $3,750,000 - $4,000,000 and on a long-term deal and Girardi should be of value in the $2,750,000 - $3,000,000 range.  Both the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Los Angeles Kings seem like a natural fit for an offer like this.

Montreal Canadiens

Carey Price ($2,200,000)
Jaroslav Halak ($800,000)

  • Any general manager that is high on goaltending would be apt to make a move like this, but the man with the history of giving exorbitant contracts to goaltenders, Dale Tallon, already has an organization stocked with them.  Halak's playoff run came at a really lucky time for him as Montreal is likely going to pay him more than he's worth which could be up to $5,000,000 per season.  That leaves Price, the kid with the pedigree and the bad reputation in the lurch.  Would a team in need of a goaltender and a general manager that perhaps overvalues goalies give Price a long-term offer in the $2,500,000 - $3,000,000 range in exchange for a 2nd round pick?  Maybe that team would be the San Jose Sharks if they aren't going to chase after a big-name goalie.

Washington Capitals

Eric Fehr ($800,000)
Jeff Schultz ($700,000)
Tomas Fleischmann ($700,000)

  • Like the Blackhawks' RFAs, none of the Capitals on this list are worthy of a large contract.  But Jeff Schultz is an underrated beauty of a stay-at-home guy with size and skill.  He's easily worth $2,750,000 - $3,100,000 and a team like the Colorado Avalanche needs a defenseman just like Schultz.  They could also send an offer to Fehr for $1,500,000 to try and wedge Schultz out of Washington. 

Edmonton Oilers

Sam Gagner ($1,600,000)
Andrew Cogliano ($1,100,00)

  • The Oilers are wedged against the cap again next year and if their first overall pick makes the team, that's another $3,750,000 towards the cap.  Gagner has slowly progressed into an excellent young center, though he still struggles in the faceoff circle.  Cogliano has some of the best skating legs in the league and started his career with a scoring touch, but the Oilers haven't been able to find a place for him.  The Anaheim Ducks could use a young center behind Ryan Getzlaf who can eat up easy minutes and help on the power play.  An offer in the $4,250,000 range for Gagner and something in the $1,900,000 range for Cogliano should be enough to put the screws to the Oilers.

Dallas Stars

Nicklas Grossman ($1,000,000)
James Neal ($800,000)

  • Neal gets the headlines because he's become a legitimate power forward in a very short amount of time.  Grossman is overlooked and underrated, but like Marc Staal, he's handling tough minutes and doing it well.  The New York Rangers would be an ideal destination for either one of these guys, and both Neal and Grossman are worth something near the upper-bound of each salary range.

Nashville Predators

Denis Grebeshkov ($3,100,000)
Patric Hornqvist ($700,000)

  • Hornqvist came out of nowhere, well actually Sollentuna, Sweden, to score thirty goals last season.  Grebeshkov was the odd defenseman out in the salary cap crunch in Edmonton.  Giving a sizeable offer sheet to Hornqvist is risky, considering he has no track record, but a team like Phoenix (provided the NHL allows them to spend money) should make a pitch to Hornqvist to squeeze Nashville.  The downside of that move is that the NHL might look terrible when the league-owned team uses economic pressure to squeeze one of the teams in the league on a budget.

San Jose Sharks

Joe Pavelski ($1,600,000)
Devin Setoguchi ($1,200,000)

  • Pavelski caught hold of a lucky run in the playoffs and will turn that into millions in his next contract.  Setoguchi was demoted to the second line with Dany Heatley's arrival and his shot rates and counting stats took a major hit.  Both are all-zone players with excellent offensive game.  Both would be excellent additions to a young team with a need for a complete forward, a team like the St. Louis Blues who are losing of one of the worst contracts in the league may be an ideal fit.  They've got money to spend and draft picks.  Either Pavelski or Setoguchi are good value in the two targeted salary ranges and both of them are much better defensive players than Paul Kariya.

Colorado Avalanche

Chris Stewart ($800,000)
Kyle Quincey ($500,000)

  • Chris Stewart is big, strong, a 25 goal scorer and only 22 years old.  Quincey is a good all-around defenseman, one of only two Avs that didn't look out of place in the playoffs.  Though both deals would be enormous raises, the Detroit Red Wings could use both of these kids, especially Stewart.  Offer Quincey something in the area of $3,500,000 and Stewart $2,750,000 - $3,100,000 and hope that Colorado isn't ready to match.  Stewart skating on the wing instead of Todd Bertuzzi is a major upgrade for Detroit.

Phoenix Coyotes

Wojtek Wolski ($2,800,000)
Martin Hanzal ($1,000,000)

  • In this case, it's kind of a shame that Edmonton has the 1st overall pick [Edit:  it doesn't matter as the picks are 2011 choices, not 2010.  It doesn't matter unless you are really pessimistic, that is].  The Oilers desperately need a forward that can drive the play like Wolski and they need a center capable of playing the toughs like Hanzal.  Since the Oilers are out of the question, the Minnesota Wild are another team that could desperately use either one of these forwards, especially to take the heat off of Mikko Koivu and Martin Havlat.  Wolski is worth $4,000,000+ and Hanzal is probably a steal at $2,750,000.

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I’m assuming that a team could decide to let go of both players for the draft picks. Correct?

So you’d have to want both players, and have cap space for both, to make this work. Right?

by David Staples @ The Cult of Hockey on Jun 7, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

David,

Yessir, the team could let both go and you would have to make cap space for this to work. It’s why you’ve got to target two players that have value in the salary range.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, that’s what I thought. The Avs two players are very choice targets, mainly because the Avs are dying when it comes to ticket sales right now (and I love Stewart’s game — I’d offer him Penner money if I was a top team).

by David Staples @ The Cult of Hockey on Jun 7, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are three teams on this list that might not be able to withstand pressure from two offer sheets – Phoenix, Nashville and Dallas.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Avs definitely won’t be letting those two walk for something that approaches a reasonable contract. They have tonnes of cap space now and another whack of money expiring after 2010-11. Plus, although they’ve been hurting with attendance this season, they’ve been able to fill the building with a winning club before so I doubt they feel the drop-off is a long-term thing. At any rate, they’ll be holding on to their good young players.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oy…get your damn hands off of Martin Hanzal and Wojtek Wolski!

No, seriously this is a very interesting analysis that scares the crap out of me. The Coyotes have sooo many UFAs and RFAs that it’s a bit terrifying to think about how much poaching other teams are going to try and do. I can’t imagine that the Coyotes could match both of those offers and while both are good values, they might not work with the Coyotes budgetary concerns. Given that bad situation, if some team tried this, I’d have to say let Wolski walk and use that extra cash to ensure that they re-sign Lombardi and Z…

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by Jordan Ellel on Jun 7, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I love Hanzal, so if I were a particularly nefarious general manager, I would push the Wolski offer up to make them match and then get Hanzal at $3,000,000.

My love of Hanzal:

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I remember those articles…he is a beast of a player and underrated offensively because he spends most of his time and energy stopping the other team’s best players and working on the PK. He actually has pretty decent hands and certainly the size to be a Holmstrom-like pest in front on the PP or something. Plus, I think he’s 22 or 23 and a really nice kid to boot.

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by Jordan Ellel on Jun 7, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chicago matches that offer for Hjalmarsson in a split second.

I would have zero issue with Tambellini signing Price to a $3M offer sheet. In fact, I think he could still go higher (giving up a 1st and 3rd) and I’d be ok with it.

But I guess the only question I have is why, at worst, the offering team could only lose either the 1st/3rd or the 2nd? Is there something stopping the other team from declining their option to match both?

by ykmisfit on Jun 7, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

and after matching that offer, is Chicago still under the cap? Probably not.

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as they’re under by the end of preseason, it shouldn’t matter. Plus, I believe having a player sign an offer sheet allows a team to buyout a player after the buyout deadline has passed. So even if a Hjalmarsson OS puts them over the cap, they can make other moves to get back under.

by ykmisfit on Jun 7, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Hawks cap problems will, I assume, by partially resolved by either (preferably) dealing Huet or sending him to the minors. A Hjalmarsson contract around 1.5M would be very doable for them.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huet is a foregone conclusion. They still need to come up with about $4,000,000 more in cap space after that.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think they offload versteeg to a team like Florida for a bag of picks

by SumOil on Jun 7, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t totally buy the notion that Chicago’ll have to sell low. They’re gonna have to move players, yes, but they’re all pretty good players. I suspect that they’ll set themselves up with a nice glut of picks over the next few years.

by Passive Voice on Jun 7, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

er….what i was trying to say before i got overzealous with the “post” button is that there are 29 other teams in the league, and presumably at least a handful of them will create a fairly lucrative market for whatever good young player(s) chicago ultimate decides to unload.

by Passive Voice on Jun 7, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

its not a point of seeling low, its selling. and it will be a sale like that of Kessel. No i am not saying 1sr rounders will go, but it will be player for picks, or even prospects ala Erhoff trade( though San Jose got robbed big time)

by SumOil on Jun 8, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

ahahaha, shoot, i thought you said “bag of pucks”. my fault, i think you’re totally right.

by Passive Voice on Jun 8, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is there something stopping the other team from declining their option to match both?

Certainly not, but there are very few general managers that are going to withstand the heat of losing a significant piece of their protected core like that.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chicago matches that offer for Hjalmarsson in a split second.

If they match Hjalmarsson for $1,500,000, they have 15 guys under contract for $59,098,000 with Ladd and Niemi to sign, plus find five other roster players. Even if Ladd and Niemi come in for a combined $4,000,000 and the other five players are all NHL minimum, they are still sitting at $66,098,000 against the cap with five NHL minimum players on the roster.

GM’s throughout the West should be picking at them like eagles on Prometheus’ liver.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, so if they decline to match a Hjalmarsson offer, who are they going to get to round out the top 4 that’ll cost less than $1.5M? They can match the offer, have Hjalmarsson (boy do I hate spelling that name) at $1.5M, trade Sopel for nothing, and the end result is not only a better top 4, but they’re in a better cap position too. Not to mention, I don’t think Hjalmarson signs a $1.5M offer sheet from the league’s worst team.

by ykmisfit on Jun 7, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention, I don’t think Hjalmarson signs a $1.5M offer sheet from the league’s worst team.

Who is that?

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is true, but all they need to do to get out of it is spend money (by sending Campbell and Huet to the minors if no one will take them in a trade).

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but like I said, Western Conference GMs should be pushing them at every turn.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

They should indeed. I think the Hawks will be able to move some assets East, truth be told, maybe to the Panthers for obvious reasons at which point it will be pretty hard to put the screws to them, especially if they take Ladd and Niemi to arbitration (Hjalmarsson isn’t eligible).

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think those numbers are way too low. More likely is that the numbers would come in so that Chicago would be right at the cap AFTER sending both Huet and Campbell down to the minors, the cap hit of the two players combined are at $12.765 mil. Huet needs a replacement (backup goalie) and Campbell too (top-4 D). Those two would cost around $4 mil. $8.765 mil left. Niemi would get a raise, at around $3 mil. $5.765 mil left. Hjalmarsson would get one too, another $2.5 mil or so. $3.265 mil left or so, and remember not only Ladd needs to be re-signed. Any raise to the following players would have to come from the $3.265 mil left: Ladd, Madden, Eager, Burish, and Hendry.

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Madden is a UFA and has been a bit player. I see him taking a paycut if he stays, if not, he’s gone for someone else that can win a faceoff.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Madden takes a paycut. There are definitely teams will to pay for him this summer given that he’s the shutdown centre on that team. So let’s say he leaves. Who is Chicago going to replace him with? Any player that can win a faceoff doesn’t play for free either. Maybe they save half to one million in cap hit by letting Madden go if Chicago is lucky. Still those other players do not stay without raises and a combined $4 mil (over their current cap hit) are probably only enough to re-sign them.

Furthermore, can Chicago really send down Huet and Campbell, given that those moves would make the team unpopular when future free agents look for a new team?

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s already been replaced, for better or worse, by Bolland. Madden is basically their fourth line center. They can replace him with someone significantly cheaper. As for the other guys, it’s not like they don’t know that they only have so much money. They likely wouldn’t spend close to $4M on either a new goalie or a new defender. They’ve been using Sopel and Hjalmarsson as the second pairing and it’s been bad but not BAAAAAD, so they may just stick with that and add in some relatively cheap vets to fill out the bottom spots.

As for being unpopular with future free agents, I doubt it. Firstly, they’re the Stanley Cup Champions! Wooo! Plus, the GM that’s actually done this the most (Loophole Lou with Mogilny and McGillis for sure) still manages to have FA’s sign with him. Further, Huet’s performance is poor enough that they can justify sending him down on that alone and I doubt that they’ll need to send Campbell to the minors to. If they do, the reason why will be pretty obvious for everyone to see and it’s not like he won’t still be making $7M+.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Further, Huet’s performance is poor enough that they can justify sending him down on that alone and I doubt that they’ll need to send Campbell to the minors to. If they do, the reason why will be pretty obvious for everyone to see and it’s not like he won’t still be making $7M+.

You’re suggesting that they trade Campbell?

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assume that would be their preferred option if it can be done. They can likely afford some small amount of cap salary back, and even more in the way of real dollars so long as it’s of the “rot in the minors” variety. I’m thinking something like Campbell and #30 to Colorado for Tom Preissing if Colorado rates Campbell at all. If not them, maybe Florida (since we know Tallon rates Campbell) for something similar (say the same or similar going to Florida and Radek Dvorak, who’s actually useful, coming back to Chicago). Who knows who it will be. I just bet that someone rates Campbell enough to deal. The Avs got out from under Smyth last year after all.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting to see if Tallon would be willing to clean up the mess he left behind, especially if the split wasn’t pleasant.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Avs got out from under Smyth last year after all.

And somehow Sather unloaded Gomez’s contract too.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 7, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know that you’re trolling me.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not at all

I’m fully aware of your love for Gomez.

Doesn’t change the fact that he’s got an abusive contract and it’s a damn miracle that Montreal took on that contract, and gave up value to boot. Would you still covet Stephen Weiss if he were making $7.3m per year?

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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think so, yes.

How much should a tough minutes outscorer get paid?

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by Derek Zona on Jun 8, 2010 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

What market dictates for their production.

 As much as you’re helping to lead a statistical revolution among fans, the market will still be dictated by boxcars and confirmation biased perceptions (best I can explain Volchenkov commanding 5m).

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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

or Montreal..ohhh wait No more Gainey

by SumOil on Jun 7, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

may be rangers take him

by SumOil on Jun 7, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only if they take Redden back.

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by George E. Ays on Jun 8, 2010 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Campbell apparently has a limited NTC (which is fucking absurd—just an awful contract), so their trade options could be awfully limited.

by Passive Voice on Jun 7, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I think Campbell’s NTC limits might get loosened something fierce if he realizes the alternative is being waived.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 8, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

NTC or NMC?

Waiver may not be an option.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 8, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

capgeek calls it a NTC, thankfully. a NMC would have sealed it as probably the most hilarious deal in history.

by Passive Voice on Jun 8, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Given that Madden doesn’t make really that much, a “significantly cheaper” player at the fourth line still costs around $1M or more, especially if you’re talking about someone that can win a faceoff. So the saving is maybe $1.5 mil max for letting Madden go.

And if Campbell stays in Chicago, the Hawks could probably only afford to replace Ladd, Madden, Burish, Hendry, Eager with minimum wage players. So the team would become:

Toews Kane Hossa
Byfuglien Sharp Versteeg
Bolland Kopecky Brouwer
3 min wage bottom 6 players
2 min wage extra forwards

Keith Seabrook
Campbell Hjalmarsson
Sople min wage defenseman
1 min wage extra defenseman

Niemi
min wage backup

It would still be a good team when everyone is healthy.

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

and that lineup costs $55 mil NOT counting Hjalmarsson and Niemi’s new contract cap hits.

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

So clearly they need to send Campbell away.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think they let go of versteeg and Byfuglien

by SumOil on Jun 7, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Madden makes $2.750 MM, which is a pile for what he actually does. He’s a veteran who knows how to win, but if things work out in the coming days, Chicago will have a surfeit of those. They could just as easily signed Marcel Goc, Dominic Moore, or Manny Malhotra, three names that were kicking around the Oilogosphere last summer, who signed for a TOTAL of $2.35 MM among the three of them. Sign a guy like that – and there’ll be a few on the market again, surely – and save $2 MM.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 8, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if you noticed that my lineup above had no Madden (he’s replaced by one of the min wage players) in there, and it costs $55 mil without counting the new contracts of Hjalmarsson and Niemi.

by SJKel on Jun 8, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love the idea

I’ve never seen this proposed before but love the idea of making the opposing GM choose or force the cap in a way he isn’t comfortable with.

I hate the fact that a lot of GMs have cried about the offer sheets in the past. If you don’t like the money being thrown around, give up your player and take the picks – everyone gets to play by the same rules.

by SO_RyanP on Jun 7, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

The refrain from fans is that the opposing GMs will come after you later on. If you’re competent, it shouldn’t be a problem.

If you like the way I’m trying to manipulate my opponent’s cap, you’ll love the stuff that mc79 does.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need to remember that the Chicago numbers are based on their actually remembering to qualify their players this time.

by Benjamin Massey on Jun 7, 2010 3:50 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s Florida’s problem this year.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need clarification here.

I was under the impression that the CBA only allows one-way contracts to be put in the minors for one year without counting against the cap. This is not from my interpretation of the CBA (having never read the document) but I saw someone reference this somewhere.

Am I just operating on incorrect info here? Almost nobody brings up the one-year rule when they talk about burying players in the minors.

I have no interest in going through the CBA, it would not be my strength. Anybody know anything about this? Because if the one-year rule does exist then I would imagine most of the offer sheets proposals aimed against Chicago would work.

by R O on Jun 7, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe, and I may be way off, that a player on a one-way contract must go through re-entry waivers at the end of each season, giving the rest of the league the shot at a half-off contract.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. Otherwise there would be big off season news coverage about which veterans would get picked up from the re-entry waiver, which is intended only for mid-season call-ups.

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which worthwhile one-way contracts are getting sent to the minors?

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

remember some one-way contracts may not be worthwhile at full price but probably worthwhile at half price. If such a rule exists, teams would want to take a shot at those veterans at half price.

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know but someone like Brad Lukowich last season who probably would have stayed in the lineup if he did not make more than double of what Aaron Rome made. (Not exactly him because he doesn’t have a contract for 10/11 and was not in the minors in 08/09)

by SJKel on Jun 8, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that only applies to players over the age of 35 when their contract begins. Chris Pronger cannot be buried in the minors, for example.

by SJKel on Jun 7, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve never heard this before but if it’s true then it obviously has a major impact on things. I strongly suspect, however, that it’s not. My understanding is that if a player has cleared waivers, he doesn’t need to clear re-entry waivers to rejoin the team the following season. I certainly can’t find anything in the CBA that suggests a player must clear re-entry waivers at the conclusion of a league year. In fact, it seems to me that the player is exempt from re-entry waivers to start the following league year, or at least, I don’t recall Tom Preissing needing to clear re-entry waivers to join the Avalanche or Jason LaBarbera needing to clear to join the Kings before his first year as a starter.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stewart skating on the wing instead of T—- B———- is a major upgrade for Detroit.

I would sing and dance naked in the street with joy if this happened. But it won’t. :(

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by Baroque on Jun 7, 2010 8:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, even Ethan Moreau is an upgrade over tuberculosis.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know, if Chris Stewart signed an offer sheet with the Red Wings, I don’t think Avs fans would forgive him quickly even if the Avs matched. If he actually played for the Red Wings, the anger would be enormous.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 7, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

An even better reason for this to happen.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

•In this case, it’s kind of a shame that Edmonton has the 1st overall pick.

just wanna clarify—the Oilers would not have to give up Taylor Hall to get Wolski/Hanzal. The picks involved are for 2011 (or beyond, for the really steep prices), meaning the Oil could theoretically land Hanzal and Wolski and Hall/Seguin.

by Passive Voice on Jun 7, 2010 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Heh, yeah – slip of the fingers.

Either than or I’m REALLY pressimistic :)

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by Derek Zona on Jun 7, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m equally pessimistic. Don’t be fooled. 2011 is still a lottery year.

Unless we trade for Spezza. Then we’ll still miss the playoffs but at least we won’t have a good prospect to show for our misery.

by Benjamin Massey on Jun 8, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we are lottery territory unless Khabi goes down early with no replacements acquired.

I don’t think we’ll be far, but 3rd to 9th OV was only separated by 6 points, so it’s ridiculously hard to “earn” a lottery pick without trying for it – and I don’t want to believe the Oilers are shopping Penner or Hemsky… at least this year.

by till_horcoff_is_coach on Jun 8, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good idea, but your numbers are a bit off

There’s no way that Fehr gets anything less than $1.83 – $2.0 million. He puts up sick, near $2.5 million numbers with only 12 minutes a game. Also, Shultz and Carlson are lynchpins in the Caps’ long-term D plans. Neither are going anywhere. If two offer sheets were tendered, the Caps would let Tomas Flieshman walk and pony up for Fehr, as he is a much grittier, net-crashing player and therefore more valuable.

by Scoops on Jun 8, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

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