Oilers Name Tom Renney Head Coach, Pat Quinn Now "Senior Advisor"
This morning, the Edmonton Oilers announced that they had called a press conference for noon MDT. The internet lit up with speculation about draft announcements and trades. More savvy observers speculated that this would be the end of Pat Quinn's reign in Edmonton. When Steve Tambellini strode the the podium at Rexall Place today with Tom Renney at his side, the presser's purpose was revealed before anyone uttered a word.
Pat Quinn has been pushed aside, or upstairs, or wherever he's going as a "Senior Advisor" and Tom Renney has been handed the wheel of the Edmonton Oilers ramblin' wreck.
This decision should come as no surprise to Oiler fans. While the name Pat Quinn carried a large amount of cachet, the decision was foolish, especially for a team that was constructed like the Oilers. The team lacked real, honest-to-goodness NHL forwards and needed a coach that was willing to chase match-ups all over the ice, every night, all season long. Quinn was not that guy. Jonathan said at the time of the hiring that it wasn't a good one:
Quinn's an old-school coach; line-matching is not one of his strong suits and while Craig MacTavish (like virtually every other NHL coach) preferred veterans Quinn has an even stronger bias in that direction. I think this is a poor choice, and not one suited to the current roster.
I echoed Jonathan's sentiments in September in the fan roundtable; hiring Quinn wasn't a good idea:
I think it depends on how the match-ups are handled. If Quinn goes to his traditional management style, at least two lines (given the current roster makeup) are going to be overwhelmed by a tactician. The team is going to be in trouble at evens.
And Quinn's strategies played out exactly as we predicted. Quinn rolled his lines and defensive pairings all year long and ended up with some terrible results, whacky underlying stats, and may have stunted the development of some of his younger players. In February, when all was lost, Scott even hoped for Ken Hitchcock to ride in and save the team, but alas, there was no savior.
Quinn made strange decisions throughout the year. Renney's strengths with the Rangers were the success of his penalty kill and the ferocious nature of his matchups, both at forward and on defense. Even if Quinn were to roll his lines, the thinking was that Renney would at least improve the penalty kill to offset some of the damage from 2008-2009. Instead, Quinn decided that Kelly Buchbeger should run the penalty kill and Tom Renney should coach the defense.
But even that was in question. Renney's hallmark in New York was his attention to match-ups. He ran power-versus-power and gave the easy zone starts to the kids and less defensively-skilled players. He did not roll lines or pairings. In Edmonton, it was the opposite. Scott randomly tracked the pairings coming over the boards for the Oilers this season and it was like the Alberta waltz: 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3. Rather than give the heavy minutes to Sheldon Souray, Steve Staios, Tom Gilbert, and Denis Grebeshkov, he spread them around and it showed. Rather than have rookies starting in the offensive zone, he ended up with Taylor Chorney somehow leading all defensemen in the league in largest percentage of defensive zone starts. This goes against everything that Renney did in New York. It's pretty clear that Renney wasn't in charge of strategy or tactics and it's likely why Tambellini "accelerated his succession plan" as he said in the press conference.
It was a mistake to hire Quinn from the beginning, and Tambellini's accelerated succession plan is an admittance of that.
During Renney's time in New York, he ran a tight ship. Scott Gomez took on a power-versus-power role and Chris Drury and Blair Betts helped out by taking some defensive zone faceoffs. Brandon Dubinsky was protected from tough minutes and tough faceoffs. He gave the bulk of the offensive zone faceoffs to his offensive superstars like Jaromir Jagr. He hard matched his lines and his pairings night in and night out. His penalty kill rotated five defensemen and three pairs of forwards. He brought along young players like Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Brandon Dubinsky and Ryan Callahan by not exposing them to minutes that were too difficult to handle, and it paid off.
How will this look in Edmonton? Shawn Horcoff is going to take the Scott Gomez role of the power-versus-power center. Ales Hemsky, Sam Gagner and Taylor Hall / Tyler Seguin are going to get loads of offensive zone faceoffs. Young players like Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson or Jordan Eberle will be protected from tough minutes and Taylor Chorney will not lead the league in defensive zone faceoffs - in fact, he might lead the league in offensive zone faceoffs. The penalty kill should have structure to it for the first time in three years and Renney will likely hand the power play duties to Wayne Fleming or someone similar.
With Renney in charge, he may also want to reach back to New York for a piece or two. Dan Girardi was a pet project of Renney's and his play has fallen off sharply without Renney's guiding hand. He's on the outs in New York now and if Renney has some say in personnel, there's a strong possibility that Girardi might end up in Edmonton. He'll also likely request a faceoff-winning center with some penalty-killing experience (Finally!) to take the role of Blair Betts.
All-in-all, it's a good day for Oiler fans. They've upgraded at the coaching position and the General Manager admitted he made a mistake, without admitting he made a mistake. Let's hope that he's learned some lessons as he moves into the draft and free agency.
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Renney was the defenseman coach. Chorney and Strudwick were on this team and played together. All the time.
That’s good (or, rather, bad) enough for me.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 22, 2010 12:51 PM MDT reply actions
It went against everything he did in New York. There is no way that he was in charge.
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Coaching in the Eastern Conference with a cap roster and Hank Lundqvist in goal and making the playoffs three times out of five is like racing the hundred metre dash in the Special Olympics with a rocket sled and finishing third.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 22, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rangers made the playoffs in each of the four post-lockout seasons Renney was there, including the year he was fired. And those were the only four years he had Lundqvist in goal. And that the only year of Renney’s where they missed was 2003-04 in which he only coached the last twenty games.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
His first year, in those twenty games, Renney and the Rangers went 5-15 (!!!).
In 2008-09 before getting canned, Renney’s record was 31-30. Which, at least, ain’t bad.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rangers certainly were bad in 2003-04 but I don’t think that’s on Renney. They were out of it before he arrived, though the record there is clearly poor. In 2008-09 they seemed like a good team. They were 31-30 despite a PDO of 97.8 at EV (91.8 Sv% and 6.0 Sh%) through the first 61 games of the year. It seems to me that his performance in New York was actually quite good.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Renney was the defenseman coach. Chorney and Strudwick were on this team and played together. All the time.
I must protest such negativity. As Incoming President – I just know it! – of the Optimists Club, I thought the Chornwick pairing was nothing short of brilliant. Tom’s terrifically terrible tactic tackled the Tanking for Taylor n Tyler travesty; the only decision that had a bigger effect was Tambellini’s choice to not bring in a veteran goalie after Khabibulin’s season was, er, scotched.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. You don’t mess around with your wordplay, do you?
Also, can I be Vice-President of Remembering Ninety-Seven Because I’m Too Young to Remember the Eighties in the Optimist’s Club? Somehow, I doubt Willis is interested in the position, and while I’m actually rather down on the team at the moment, I like to keep my options open.
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I’d have taken the Remembering Ninety-Seven position already, but I am forbidden to approach within ten kilometres of the Optimists Club.
(Still. My first child will be named Todd Curtis Fernando Massey).
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 22, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I figured that little “incident” and the ensuing restraining order was best left unmentioned.
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(Still. My first child will be named Todd Curtis Fernando Massey).
Your daughter’s going to hate you.
Hey if I could resist naming my son Douglas in 1987 …
Why Douglas? Cuz that’s the middle name of all three of Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier and Paul Coffey, that’s why. (Little known trivia)
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 23, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
She’ll understand it was for a good cause.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Thank god (or someone) that Quinn is gone, although we’ll see about Renney. I guess we can thank Quinn’s presence in part for our no. 1 draft pick, so it kind of worked out in that way … silver lining?
I wonder whether Quinn is now going to join Lowe in the Oiler’s ‘special advisor’ spaceship that circles around over central Alberta, occasionally landing at Rexel Place and fucking things up.
Chicago model it is then. Or maybe it’s the New York Islanders model.
Actually, how many teams have this “Senior Advisor” role anyway?
His full title is “Senior Advisor to the Assistant Traveling Secretary”.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 22, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
“…to the Minister of Remembering the Eighties.”
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Hey, that’s me!
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
He gave the bulk of the offensive zone faceoffs to his offensive superstars like Jaromir Jagr.
Really? I’m not sure if that is accurate… if so, a stat line would be great to see.
Fleming and Renney should be awesome and they’ll have a stronger team to play with. However, Quinn had bad luck as he lost his starting goalie and Hemsky real quick!! He is the reason that Penner had such a great season though.
I see Renney really helping out Gagner/Cogliano etc which will be good. Still, the Oilers will need a lot more work than just a great coach. Here is hoping for a good offseason – a first round pick and some good signings!
I don’t know about other years, but in 2007-08 he did have Jagr taking a lot of OZ draws.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I was optimistic about Pat Quinn after his work with the WJC, figuring he’d be doing more mentoring and such, and maybe letting Renney run the matchup game, which he was never fond of himself outside specific situations.
Yeah…no.
Let’s hope the return to a tactician coach coincides with a return to pre-lockout free-agency tactics, i.e. bargain-bin depth and skill from within, at least until the cluster’s ready to compete and a big whale or two can put us over the top.
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Grow your own whales, I say.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
That would have made Star Trek IV so much less interesting.
(did it get nerdy in here all of a sudden or was it just me?)
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Bruce: In a perfect world, yes, but then again, Chicago had Hossa, Pittsburgh had Gonchar, Anaheim had the Norris Brothers, and so forth. It’s not practical to grow all your own.
Ben: No, I hadn’t noticed. Maybe because it’s the same joke I’d make.
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You really don’t remember the 80s, do you?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Vice President of I Read That Crappy Coffee Table Book Terry Jones Put Out, So I Think I Know What I’m Talking About.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 22, 2010 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure don’t. I was not yet four when Messier, Lowe, and Kurri hoisted the Cup at the Gahden.
It’s a different NHL now. You know that.
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Incidentally, I remember all of the 90s just fine. From Fleury’s OT goal and the shock and disappointment of losing to Minnesota to the Messier Sale to Doug Weight! to Cujo and Marchant to Big Georges destroying Rob Ray in Buffalo (or was that 2000?).
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I remember all of the 90s just fine. FromFleuryTikkanen’s OT goal
Fixed
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
The tragic thing about my memories as a five-year-old is that I remember all the bad shit that happened in ’91 (Fleury, Minny, and the Messier trade), and none of the good stuff.
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That’s actually pretty typical of the human memory.
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Funny enough, I’m reading Scientific American Mind from a couple of months back, and in their news/notes section, they mentioned a review that found that negative/grumpy people tend to make better-reasoned arguments and be less gullible and distracted than positive people.
Explains a lot, doesn’t it?
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And yet whenever I try an argumentative post here I die.
by Benjamin Massey on Jun 23, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah of course I know that. But when I say “grow your own whales”, that is the biased position I’m coming from. Have seen it done.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Steve Tambellini
This whole mess with the team and UFA’s, caps, trades, the draft, and team preformance and morale in general is a reflection on Steve Tambellini . If anyone should be getting demoted or fired it should be him, LOL. I’m glad in light of the player’s situation though that Shawn Horcoff is going to take a more powerful role. And the reference to Scott Gomez was not wasted on me.
I love this. Oilers have re-hired MacT…..err….its not him… No must be MacT…..ummmm….No its his clone…guy looks like him….talks like him and matched the lines like him.lol
Well all jokes aside, I think this is another solid move by Tambellini in this summer. He has rectified his mistake by admitting that he made one. Quinn hiring was bad. in 2010 it was apparent to even the optimists like me. Gone has the era of maddening coaching. I am now looking forward to next season
Girardi was not a Renney project
Schoenfeld scouted him and signed him to an AHL contract in Hartford. Girardi, like most kids with the Rangers, was only promoted as a last resort when the NHL roster assembled by Sather crashed & burned. The idea that Renney led the way with any sort of a youth movement is fiction.
Good luck with Renney. He sure knows how to prepare, but in NY he consistently was outcoached during games. Once Jagr was gone the plan was to trap at will (very good at defending one goal deficets), play for the “first point” and bet on Lundqvist to get the second. So as long as you have a world class goalie rely on to get enough bonus points to get into 7th or 8th place, Renney will no doubt lead you back to the playoffs.
Well, you gotta play the hand you’ve got. It’s a sound strategy in the NHL’s current batshit standings system.
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“First point” strategy. Very good turn of phrase. Thanks, Pemoco.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
The idea that Renney led the way with any sort of a youth movement is fiction.
I’m not certain where you get that from what I wrote, but I’d appreciate you not putting words in my mouth, or keyboard, as the case may be.
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Sorry, that wasn’t meant to be directed at you specifically. Listening to the nation hockey media (what we have of it in the US) they paint a far different picture than what has actually happened with the Rangers post-lockout. Renney in NY was a functionary, and in order to protect his job would always avoid taking any risks. Part of this was playing veterans into the ground rather than testing the upside of anyone under the age of 25.
Part of this was playing veterans into the ground rather than testing the upside of anyone under the age of 25.
He wasn’t given much of anything to work with in the under-25 upside department, and the four guys mentioned above developed quite nicely under his tutelage. Girardi seems to have taken a step back without Renney running the show.
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I would guess that four players coming up through the system in 3 seasons is at the low end of the spectrum. Staal was a no-brainer. Callahan, like Girardi, initially was only called up due to multiple injuries as a last resort. Dubinsky made the team out of camp in 2007 – a bit of a surprise, admittedly. But it’s not like he blossomed under the Renney System. His first two seasons he seemed like a much more tentative and ‘reactive’ player than he was with Portland or in the AHL. Tortorella has stressed the need for Dubinsky to go back to being more instinctive.
Not sure why you say Girardi took a step back this season. He and Staal were split up and each suffered a bit with their new partner – Staal covering for the wildly inconsistent Rozsival and Girardi paired with the defensively naive MDZ. He’s never going to be a top pair talent but he is a solid two-way dman, and Tortorella said many times he and Staal were the two best dmen on the team.
But I am sure you’re not that interested in dissecting the Rangers. As for Renney, he was adequate here for awhile filling a different kind of role in a different kind of organization. Maybe Edmonton is better setting for him because he never seemed comfortable here. The NY media loved Renney because he always had time for them (unlike the GM) and the local press never pursued any of his obvious flaws until the very end. I suspect that a similar quality performance with the Oilers as he had with the Rangers will get a much different reception than he enjoyed here.
Renney will be the toast of the town until he loses a few games, then he’ll just be toast.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions

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