Colorado Avalanche - Off-Season Preview
The Colorado Avalanche are rebuilding. I know that Avalanche fans are sick of hearing that a lot of last season's success was due to luck but that's the reality. Come 2010-11, the Avalanche really are more likely to have a PDO closer to 100 than the 101.6 (92.6% Sv% plus 9.0% Sh%) that they had in 2009-10, which leaves them a mountain of goal differential to make up just to maintain their eighth place finish in the Western Conference. They could easily improve substantially next season and still miss the playoffs. That's the downside.
The upside is that the Avalanche are a young team that is in fact very likely to improve substantially. Several of their best forwards will be twenty-five or under next season (Paul Stastny, Chris Stewart, Matt Duchene, Ryan O'Reilly, T.J. Galiardi, David Jones, and Peter Mueller) and most of them are still on cheap deals (Duchene, O'Reilly, Galiardi, and Jones). The Avalanche didn't spend to the cap last season and they can now wave good-bye to some pretty poor contracts that have now come to a close. With some intelligent spending the Avalanche could make up the goal differential they'll lose from a regression in percentages plus a whole lot more. After the jump we'll take a look at what the Avalanche have done since the trade deadline and take a peek at their cap situation for 2010-11.
What Have the Avalanche Done Since the Trade Deadline?
Signed F Michael Carman to a two-year entry-level contract with an NHL cap hit of $850,000 per year - The Avs made Carman a third round pick in 2006 but the man simply doesn't have enough offense to play in the NHL. He was a senior last season with the University of Minnesota and only scored 18 points in 39 games. I'm surprised they gave him a contract.
Signed F Zach Cohen to a two-year entry-level contract with an NHL cap hit of $735,000 per year - The Avalanche signed Cohen as a free agent out of Boston University, a school that also featured two Avalanche draft picks on defense (Kevin Shattenkirk and Colby Cohen), so they definitely got an eyeful before making this call. Nonetheless, I find it a tad baffling. (How can something only be a tad baffling? It just can.) Cohen's 25 points in 38 games as a senior was a career high which suggests to me that, like Carman, Cohen doesn't have the offense to play in the NHL.
Signed F Mark Olver to a two-year entry-level contract with an NHL cap hit of $850,000 per year - Olver was a finalist for the Hobey Baker Award and led Northern Michigan in scoring with 49 points in 40 games. He's a talented player but he's also tiny - 5'10'' and 155 lbs. - which means he'll likely need to fill an offensive role to make it in the NHL. He'll need to prove that he deserves a chance by putting up big points in the AHL, but even that may not be enough. Just ask Martin St. Pierre.
Signed D Kevin Shattenkirk to a three-year entry-level contract with an NHL cap hit of $1,300,000 per year - Shattenkirk was selected 14th overall in 2007 and is one of several promising defenders that the Avs have signed over the last several months. The Avalanche have five defenders returning from last season so it will be extremely difficult for Shattenkirk or any of the others to make the club out of camp, especially if the Avalanche add a player or two in free agency.
Signed D Colby Cohen to a three-year entry-level contract with an NHL cap hit of $875,000 per year - Cohen was drafted by the Avalanche in the second round of the 2007 entry draft and spent the last three seasons playing with Shattenkirk at BU. Cohen is a big defenseman at 6'3'' and 215 lbs. who racked up both points and penalty minutes in all three of his collegiate seasons. After the 2009-10 season, he was named to Hockey East's All-Star Team after scoring 30 points and registering 82 penalty minutes in only 36 games. He and Shattenkirk may be battling for the same spot over the next couple of years. It should be a fun race.
Signed D Adam Foote to a one-way contract for one year at $1,250,000 per year - Foote's game wasn't great last year and the two million dollar pay-cut shows that he knows it. The former shut-down defenseman took a step back from that role in 2009-10 leaving the toughest assignments to teammates Scott Hannan and Kyle Quincey. Despite the drop in competition, Foote was outshot by a greater margin than any other Colorado defender at even strength. Some of that is due to the fact that he was in a mentoring role against second toughs for much of the year - for all you Oiler fans, he was the Steve Staios to Ryan Wilson's Ladislav Smid - but some of it is the fact that Foote is getting older and slower. At this point in his career Foote is probably best suited as a #5 defender which is exactly how he was priced here. Considering Foote's leadership role with the team, his connection to past glory, and the low risk of having only a one-year deal, this is a very good deal for the Avalanche.
Signed D Jonas Holos to a two-year entry-level contract with an NHL cap hit of $612,500 per year - Another defender crashes the prospect party. Holos played the last two seasons in the Swedish Elite League with Farjestads and represented Norway in the 2010 Olympics and World Championships. In Vancouver, Holos led Norway in ice time while in Sweden he led Farjestads in points by a defender (though it was only 14). Holos is already twenty-two years old and has played a couple of seasons against men so he's likely a bit more mature than the collegians. If there's a job available in camp, this guy might be the one to snag it.
Signed D Joel Chouinard to a three-year entry-level contract with an NHL cap hit of $566,667 per year - Holy mackerel! These guys have a lot of defensemen! The Avalanche drafted Chouinard 167th overall in 2008, three spots before Holos. In his draft year, Chouinard scored 35 points and recorded 95 penalty minutes in 69 regular season games in the QMJHL. Over the next two seasons the point totals went up and the penalty minute totals went down, culminating in a 19 year-old season that saw him register 68 points in 65 games. That total was good enough for second in the QMJHL but his 23 were good enough for first. At 6'1'' he's not small either but given the depth on the Avs blue, he'll likely spend all of next season in the AHL.
Signed BW David Koci to a one-way contract for one year at $575,000 per year - The "BW" is for Bench Warmer. It is always stupid to waste an NHL roster spot on a goon. For a team like the Avalanche that employs a number of players who can both fight and play a bit, it's a whole new level of stupid.
Signed G Peter Budaj to a one-way contract for one year at $1,125,000 per year - Budaj is an above average back-up goalie and the Avalanche aren't taking on much risk by signing him for just one year. He has some experience as a decent starter which gives provides the Avalanche with insurance in the unlikely event Craig Anderson's game falls apart or the slightly less unlikely event that Craig Anderson's body falls apart.. With Anderson's cap hit sitting at just $1,812,500 this deal makes a lot of sense for both the player (goaltending jobs are scarce) and the team (you already have a guy you trust and he's pretty affordable).
Signed D Raymond Macias to a two-way contract for one year at $550,000 per year - Macias appeared in six games for the Avalanche last year and finished third among regular Lake Erie defenders in +/- with an even rating. He's a depth defender with a little bit of experience who will likely play all of the year in the AHL. But, if the Avalanche get utterly decimated by injuries, it's nice to know that the 11th guy on your depth chart can play a bit.
Signed F Kevin Porter to a two-way contract for one year at $660,000 per year - Porter was one of the two players the Avalanche acquired when they foolishly sent Wojtek Wolski - one of their very best even strength players at only twenty-three years old - to the Phoenix Coyotes. Terrible trade. Terrible. Anyroad, Porter was a huge scorer in the NCAA but last year was his 23 year-old season and he hasn't once cracked a point per game in the AHL. The NHL level has also been a struggle and at this point he's probably not a regular on a winning team. That said, I was surprised that Porter signed a two-way contract for less than his qualifying offer, especially since his AHL salary is just $62,500, a cut from what he earned the year before. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The guy should probably fire his agent.
Signed F Philippe Dupuis to a two-way contract for one year at $500,000 per year - Dupuis is now twenty-five years old and had a cup of coffee with the Avalanche in each of the last two seasons. If the Avalanche plan on being a good team in 2010-11, Dupuis will stay on the farm for the whole year.
Traded F T.J. Hensick to the St. Louis Blues for F Julian Talbot - This was a minor trade that saw the Avalanche and Blues swap older prospects who have just finished their entry-level contracts. Hensick is the substantially better offensive player at the AHL level - Hensick scored 1.09 points per game rate in 120 AHL games compared to Talbot's 0.57 in 226 - but has struggled to score at the NHL level. Talbot has never played in the NHL. This is a move that gets the Avalanche something for a player who wanted out of the organization but, in terms of actual player value, it's a clear win for the Blues.
Looking Foward to 2010-11
Those who've read here before know that I like to use the chart below as a cap space guideline. Because it's based on percentages, we need to set a cap figure for 2010-11 and I'll use 57M, which is a slight increase from last season. Here's the chart:
Top 3 Forwards - 27.5% or 15.675M
Middle 6 Forwards - 20.0% or 11.4M
Top 4 Defenders - 27.5% or 15.675M
Goaltending - 10.0% or 5.7M
Bottom 8 Players - 15.0% or 8.55M
And here it is again with the players the Avalanche have signed:
Top 3 Forwards - Stastny, ???, ??? - $6,600,000 or 11.5%
Middle 6 Forwards - Hejduk, Duchene, O'Reilly, ???, ???, ??? - $7,100,000 or 12.5%
Top 4 Defenders - Hannan, ???, ???, ??? - $4,500,000 or 7.9%
Goaltending - Anderson, Budaj - $3,062,500 or 5.4%
Bottom 8 Players - McLeod, Galiardi, Jones, Koci, Wilson, Cumiskey, Foote, Liles - $9,922,500 - 17.4%
At least, this is how I would look at the lineup if I were Avalanche GM Mike Sherman. They've spent money in the past, so it seems like it should be an option now but the Avalanche had trouble with attendance last season so I suppose it may not be. Assuming it is, they should spend. It is incredibly important to capitalize on the fact that this team has so many cheap contracts right now and, Marc-Andre Liles aside, no contracts that are really killing them. They have $25.8M to spend and there are very few teams that have half of that. Wowzers could this team ever get good in a hurry. If I'm a fan of the Avalanche I'm hoping desperately that Mike Sherman is a liar when he says that the team won't "take any shortcuts" by bringing in free agents and that he plans to "build from within."
Eight players to sign and $25.8M to sign them. Let's start with the defenders. The Avs need three quality guys who can actually play defense. One of them is restricted free agent Kyle Quincey. I'll aim high on this one and say that the Avs give him the Grebeshkov contract at $3.2M per year. The next step is targetting two more players from outside the organization and if I were the Avs I'd save the big money for the forwards. $5.5M for two defenders probably puts them on the outside looking in when it comes to the big names on the market but could land them former Sabres Henrik Tallinder and Toni Lydman, preferably on two-year deals. A defense led by Hannan, Quincey, Tallinder and Lydman lacks the kind of complete player one would like to have but it is a solid group with some depth in behind and in the minors in case of injury.
That leaves $17.1M left to spend on five forwards. Restricted free agents Chris Stewart and Peter Mueller should be brought back but I would wave good-bye to the rest. Stewart had a monster year but he's only had the one and doesn't have arbitration rights which leads me to believe that the Avs could get a short-term deal done somewhere around $3M which is the same estimate I used for Mason Raymond. Mueller had great numbers with the Avs after arriving in the (oh man was it ever a bad decision) Wolski trade. Even still, he's coming off a concussion and his 37 points in 69 games don't exactly scream "Pay me!" to an arbitrator. I figure $2.5M should be enough to get a deal done. Those two signings leave the Avs with $11.6M to spend on three more forwards and if I'm the Avalanche I go for one of the big prizes in either Ilya Kovalchuk or - my preference - Patrick Marleau. For the sake of argument, let's say that they can get one of them for $7M per seasons which leaves another $4.6M for two quality forwards of which there are several to choose from in the $2.5M range.
I think that's a very good team and if you keep all of the non-superstar signings down to one or two years, you don't hurt yourself when some of the younger players need to get paid. I don't know if this is the way the Avs will roll, but if they do, I think they'll be right in the mix for the division title. If not, and Mike Sherman waits on the kids, they'll be in the mix for the division basement and the decision to burn through Matt Duchene's entry-level contract last Fall becomes very poor indeed.
My next detailed look at the Avalanche will likely be around July 9th after the dust settles and the Avalanche have added a marquee star. Or not. I'd also like to acknowledge capgeek.com for providing all of the contract information.
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Excellent as always.
I had no idea about the amount of cap room, but I would be loathe to use all of it up so fast.
by till_horcoff_is_coach on Jun 21, 2010 10:08 PM PDT reply actions
The reason I’d use it up quickly is that they have a tremendous number of good players on the cheap, but most of them for only two more years. In addition to the forwards, they have several good defense prospects who should give them excellent depth at the position so long as they aren’t thrust into the NHL right away. Further, this year’s FA market isn’t deep on talent but it also isn’t deep on teams with money so there’s a pretty good chance to get some players at a pretty reasonable price and if they limit themselves to mostly two-year contracts, they should be able to avoid serious cap trouble in the future.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
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I agree with most of what you said but those young guys are on two-way deals so very unlikely they will make the big club regardless. Teams still need an enforcer, you can’t have Chris Stewart in the box or have him break his hand. That’s it for the tough guys up front except Hendricks. I like Matt Hendricks a lot on 4th line, he has good hands and will drop the gloves. He will come cheap and is a good 4th liner. They need size up front (see Dustin Byfulien) bad. Jones will help but he’s not that big even though they say on TV he’s Cam Neely all the time. The Avs need SIZE all over, esp. on D. Despite the chatter on this blog there D is terrible. They can not clear the puck and that’s why they give up so many shots. People are forgetting that ANDERSON stood on his head and that’s what kept them in a lot of games but he can’t keep playing that many minutes. They need to trade a punisher up front or FA, willie mitchell would be great or maybe trade for Coburn. I like the Buffalo FA D but not 2 europeans at once. You can’t wait to build thru the draft when you have this much space. Go get Kovi, he’s only 25 and proven. Another guy who would be great is Torres, tough and can score. They lose Hannan’s deal next year as well but I think they will move him at trade deadline for sure, GOOD RIDDANCE you piece of crap! Those are my thoughts.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 22, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m surprised that you don’t like Scott Hannan. He might be a tad overpaid on that deal but he was one of the guys taking the tough assignments for the Avs last season and he did pretty well. As for the defenders, I don’t think nationality matters at all. Both guys can handle themselves in the defensive zone well enough and that’s what the Avs need most on the back-end right now. Up front, I agree having some size would be good but first and foremost they need players who can keep the puck moving in the right direction. Your suggestion of Torres is a good one in that regard. He didn’t get much love in Edmonton but he’s a decent player even if he doesn’t generate a lot of offence.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hannan is terrible, I go to a lot of games and he just continues to stand there while guys score. He’s supposedly 225lbs and NEVER hits anybody. Can you think of 1 big hit all year by him? Trust me, he’s terrible. He’s not fast so he has to play physical and all he does is ring it up the boards, period. He turns the puck over constantly. With Torres(Columbus last year), he needs a center who can set him up. He killed the Avs for years when with Edmonton. Stastny with Stewart and Torres would be an interesting line. If the Avs were smart they would go after Patrick Sharp (the hawks need to move guys for cap purposes), he’s a sniper and would be good on wing too. They really need a Dman for power play who has a big shot. It really hurts them although Mueller played well there as a forward.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
also, they won’t spend the money and it has nothing to do with building for the future. They had 9000 a game last year and they are trying to save money! Tight ass, basketball loving Kroenke! Kind of funny hoe Detroit can have say: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Filpula, Franzen, Holmstrom, Kronwall, etc. and never seem to lose anyone and always fill the cap space??
by hockeyexpert on Jun 22, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Kind of funny hoe Detroit can have say: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Filpula, Franzen, Holmstrom, Kronwall, etc. and never seem to lose anyone and always fill the cap space??
Marian Hossa, Tomas Kopecky, Mikael Samuelsson, Ville Leino, Jiri Hudler and Kyle Quincey beg to differ.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
wrong
Obviuosly, they can’t sign every guy but let me correct you. Hossa was a one year deal and that was it and they knew that. Hudler went to KHL (and they resigned him this year by the way chief), quincey was traded, not a FA. Kopecky, Leino were duplicates and third liners on that team. The guys who replaced them are better. The only one I agree with you was samuelsson
by hockeyexpert on Jun 23, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
[Oct ’08] The Los Angeles Kings have claimed defenseman Kyle Quincey off waivers from the Red Wings this afternoon. The Wings placed Quincey on waivers Saturday because they needed some salary cap space …
Who’s the replacement who’s better than Ville Leino, and why didn’t I see him in the Finals? For that matter, who replaced Kopecky, and why didn’t I see him in the Finals either?
You’re right about Hudler coming back now, but he wasn’t around in 2009-10 for cap reasons, and the Wings sorely missed his and Samuelsson’s offence, esp in all those one-goal losses to the Sharks. Hossa I will agree was a special case, I’m still amazed they found cap room for him for even one year, but the truth is they couldn’t afford to keep him either.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 23, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
FYI
“According to Detroit Free Press, Ville Leino has been traded to the Philadelphia Flyers for a 5th round pick and Ole-Kristian Tollefsen. What this means is Detroit is making enough room to return Franzen to the line-up. The highly touted elite scorer in the Finnish league struggled to produce in the NHL under the Red Wings system.”
Okay, let’s try this again. Ok, quincey was placed on waivers but same difference. He wasn’t a FA and they could have kept him. It obviously proves my point even more becuase you don’t waive a guy you think is a part of your future, EVER. Per above, Leino was traded b/c they thought he sucked. He did play well in playoffs but it was to get Franzen back in line-up, what a problem to have! You’re stoned on Kopecky, 21 pts in 74 games??? FYI- Ryan Wilson got that many in less games. He’s no stud and they didn’t lose him b/c of cap space. Back to my excellent prior post, the ONLY guy nthey lost of significance was Marcus. Abdelkader, williams, helm better than kopecky and just as good as leino. They really haven’t lost a key core guy in a while. When they lose Franzen, zetterberg, etc. then you can start talking again. Case closed.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 23, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Bruce actually raised some good points. Kyle Quincey is likely a guy they would have liked to have had as a depth player and the same is true of Ville Leino. You’re correct that the reason they lost those guys was because they valued other players – Meech, Abdelkader, Helm etc. – more, but that doesn’t mean the rules haven’t had an impact on their pre-lockout abilities to stockpile talent. A guy like Hudler, for instance, would have never been going to the KHL pre-lockout because the Red Wings would likely have just paid him. I know he’s back now, but he’s a player they definitely could have used a year ago.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
they have depth at D already, that’s why quincey was let go. Lilja, Lebda, etc. They simply replaced guys of the same caliber with younger cheaper guys so they can keep their core. They have 2 great top lines so where are they going to play these guys? you don’t put leino on 4th line b/c he’s not valuable in that role, you’re better off with helm cause he will hit, agitate, etc. Plus he can score.
I’m just saying that the bullshit we will “rebuild from within” is just a bunch of crap. They are trying to save money b/c they are not selling tickets. Kovalchuk is 25 yrs old, how is that not an age who can be part of your core? I mean is he saying I will draft an 18 year old and in 3 years the Avs will compete? You play to win now and they can if they sign guys. If they signed Kovi, maybe Torres and got 2 good d man they are right there in my opinion.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 23, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The Avs really should look into dual offer sheets, or they should look into the trades like the rumored Versteeg trade where they have to take a crappy one-year contract (Sopel) to get a decent asset (Versteeg) for a low price (second round pick).
They have the cap room and a much lower pick than they deserve. Grab two bad assets for a year and get two decent players out of the same deals.
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Dual offer sheets would make me nervous if the process involved giving up a first-round pick. I wouldn’t be confident enough that my team was out of the lottery with no ifs ands or buts. If they do go with an offer sheet, maybe they can pry Wolski out Phoenix. His age fits their cluster perfectly!
The idea of making themselves a dumping ground for contracts in order to build assets could work really well. If I were the Avalanche, I would at least consider a Campbell-Liles swap if it involved getting some another good player back as well (i.e. I would want someone better than Versteeg).
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with what you said about the Koci signing. In fact, I think everyone over at MHH would agree with you about the Koci signing.
Also, it’s John-Michael Liles, not Marc-Andre. Unless that was like a comparison to Bergeron, in which case I don’t think Liles is THAT bad.
It was definitely a comparison to Bergeron. I’m not a fan of Liles as anything more than a PP specialist which is basically what you get from Bergeron.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I could see how a team could be lucky for maybe 20 out of 82 games. However, saying they’ve been lucky for the entire year is a stretch.
When you say “it’s a stretch,” I should say at the outset that I completely agree. It’s very unlikely for a team to have been as lucky as the Avalanche over the course of an entire season and I’d never bet on any one team doing so. But it does happen. In fact, it happened last year too with the Boston Bruins. And that’s the thing, when you have thirty teams competing, it’s actually pretty reasonable to believe one or two of them will get the bounces pretty consistently over an entire season. You just don’t know which one(s) until they play the games. This year, it happened to be the Avalanche.
You are of course also correct that the spread will be much wider over 20 games than it will be over 82. Most teams should expect their percentages to be such that, at even strength, their shooting and save percentages add up to about 100. In the first twenty games of the year the Avalanche had their shooting and save percentages add up to 102.2 (92.6% Sv and 9.6% Sh) which is really high. When the score was tied in those first twenty games, they were an even higher 105.2 (95.6% Sv and 9.6% Sh). Had they been able to sustain that they would have been solid contenders for 1st seed in the Western Conference. Obviously, they couldn’t (no team in today’s NHL can). In their remaining 62 regular season games the Avalanche had percentages of 101.4 (92.6% Sv and 8.8% Sh) and 100.6 (91.7% Sv and 8.9% Sh) while tied. Those numbers are still quite high and are much more likely to come down a bit next year than they are to rise. That’s one of the real risks the Avs face going into next season, how to make up that expected decline.
I should also mention that I don’t think that the Avs had lady luck on their side all of the time. They were actually pretty unlucky to close the year. In the last ten games of the season they had their percentages add up to only 96.5 (89.7 Sv% and 6.8 Sh%).
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely an interesting way to look at it. So are you saying that most good teams are right around 100? And the Avs have been lucky because they’ve been able to go beyond that for a longer period of time? Or have other teams have been able to do this, but because of their roster, it just makes more sense?
The tough part of the playoffs for them was having to play the #1 seeded Sharks. However, they didn’t look completely out of place. Most of the games were pretty tight. If they would have played a lower seeded team, there ’s a good chance they would have advanced.
I can understand that they had some lucky bounces but something seemed to work well during the long and drawn out regular season. Granted, it tapered off at the end so you may have a point that it’s not easy to keep it up for a long period of time. I’m not too sure what expect from next year. If their rookies don’t go through a slump, they may be about the same. Otherwise, I would agree with you that they will not be as good as this year.
I think what he’s saying is that most teams are going to be around that mark, period, unless there’s a specific, talent-related reason for it to be higher (e.g. elite goaltending and/or scoring).
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Teams in general, good or bad, haven’t generally been able to sustain percentages above 100, though it’s really more of a modern NHL thing. In the 80s the Oilers had a monstrous shooting percentage and they were able to sustain it because they were a team of superstars playing against inferior competition. Now the league has a lot of parity which makes a team like that difficult to create.
In terms of whether or not good teams have good percentages, most winning teams do. There’s a lot of truth to the old saw that “you need to be lucky to be good” (and less truth to the old saw “and good to be lucky”). For reference, here are the percentages for all of this season’s playoff teams during the regular season:
Washington – 92.7 + 10.2 = 102.9
Colorado – 92.6 + 9.0 = 101.6
Vancouver – 92.4 + 9.2 = 101.6
San Jose – 92.6 + 8.6 = 101.2
Montreal – 93.0 + 7.7 = 100.7
Phoenix – 92.8 +7.5 = 100.3
Nashville – 92.4 + 7.8 = 100.2
Buffalo – 92.4 + 7.8 = 100.2
New Jersey – 92.7 + 7.4 = 100.1
Los Angeles – 92.0 + 8.1 = 100.1
Philadelphia – 92.0 + 7.5 = 99.5
Pittsburgh – 91.0 + 8.5 = 99.5
Chicago – 90.7 + 8.5 = 99.2
Boston – 92.6 +6.5 = 99.1
Detroit – 91.8 + 6.8 = 98.6
Ottawa – 90.3 + 7.8 = 98.1
You’ll notice that Colorado is right up near the top. 101.6 doesn’t seem like it’s that far from 100, but over 82 games it’s actually pretty substantial. That’s why it’s likely for them to come down next year. The teams with the really bad percentages don’t make the playoffs (go Oilers!) which is why you have more numbers over 100 than under.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting that PP or PK is not considered. If a team can score on the PP or keep another team from scoring on PK, it’s chances of success are much greater. It would be interesting to see that tied in somehow.
It would be interesting to see that tied in somehow.
The shots quantity/quality project I’m working on considers all goals without isolating out special teams. That’s both a strength and a weakness of the method, but I like that it looks holistically at total team strength rather than just this segment or that of the game.
In 2009-10 Colorado was badly outshot, by almost 5 shots per game. They produced just 87% as many shots as their opponents. On the other hand, they converted their shots at a rate of 10.4%, the opposition at just 8.7%, meaning that the Avs scored almost 20% more goals than their opposition on a per-shot basis. This was partly due to Craig Anderson’s great season at one end of the ice, while a few snipers carried high Sh% at the other. It is this latter aspect that folks like Scott, Doogie, and I think are likely to regress toward the mean next year. I also think that COL are unlikely to do quite so well in one-goal games next year (points in 32 of 42, .655).
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting, I’m looking forward to seeing the results of the new project. Not that the statistics posted here are bad. They’re actually quite interesting as well.
In order to use these as a predictor, I suppose you would need to suggest a team’s players are not quite up to the level of other teams with the similar stats (capitals etc…). I guess that’s fair. The big unknown is, what is the true potential of the young Avs? I suppose we won’t really know that until next year though, or the year after that.
Good post Scott.
That’s the great unmeasured variable, that the team itself is hardly static. It’s a young team and can be expected to improve, even if the dice cool off to some extent.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 22, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Just so I’m clear here, I expect the Capitals to regress significantly as well. I doubt they get goaltending that far above average and their shooters, while good, aren’t that good. They had many of the same players in 2008-09 but only had a PDO number of 99.2 (91.7 Sv% + 7.5 Sh%). That total of 102.9 is very likely to drop a year from now.
As for special teams, I haven’t studied it enough to be confident in how much it repeats year over year but it’s something I’d like to look at in the future.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I do actually think the goaltending tends to veer toward the mean as well although you do have some goalies who are consistent outliers (much like you have some forwards) at both ends of the spectrum. Basically, even if we assume Montreal had kept both Halak and Price, I don’t think they could’ve counted on having a .930 EV Sv% year after year and if it strayed from that number, it’s much more likely to be heading down rather than up.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 22, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty damn good write up, Scott.
One thing that you might consider in your evaluation of the Wolski trade is that he wasn’t well-liked within the organization. He was due a decent pay raise after last season and the feeling from the team seemed to be that he’d likely garner more than he’d ultimately be worth. Then they’d be saddled with a bad contract when guys like Duchene and O’Reilly came due. Wolski had also gone through three consecutive coaches that all criticized his work ethic and intensity. Part of that may have been a result of Quenneville utilizing him incorrectly, Granato not having a fucking clue what he was doing, and Sacco just not liking him, but still, he wasn’t chums with anybody on the coaching staff for the last three years. Mueller had PP skills that were desperately needed by Colorado, will likely have a much smaller cap hit over the short and long term and also need a change of scenery. Unfortunately Gentleman Rob Blake broke his head open to see if there was candy inside so we’ll have to see if they ultimately traded Wolski away for Concussion Lad and his midget sidekick.
The low level forward signings at the top of your list are the Avs trying to fill the farm team. As you pointed out, they are logjammed with defenseman who can hold down a spot in Cleveland next year, but they are woefully thin at forward. They’ve still got some significant work to do on that front.
Koci was a horrible signing. Budaj was a prudent one and I’m surprised the number of people who disagree with me on that.
All in all, the huge chunk of cap room probably won’t get utilized this season due to the organization woes (Kroenke giving the reins over to somebody else due to his NFL restrictions), lackluster STH numbers, and an organization that seems to have set themselves up to build long term and let some of the prospects (especially the D) mature another year before taking the next step. Next season Hannan and Foote (most likely) come off the books and the chances that all three of Wilson, Quincey, and Cumiskey still wearing the Big A are slim. Unfortunately, Hejduk will probably be gone and they have shit all to replace him with. A Kovy signing would go a long way to helping on the forward issue and hopefully one or two of Holos, Shatty, Cohen, Chouinard are ready to make a meaningful impact.
I just hope Anderson doesn’t turn into a poor man’s Tim Thomas because they don’t have ANYTHING in the pipe as far as a goaltending prospect and I’m not sure the FA goalie market next year is all that stimulating.
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With Wolski, it just seems crazy because, at least in the first half of the season (i.e. all of the games I watched), he was Colorado’s best player by eye. By the numbers, he was right up near the top and he was still just 23. I don’t know what he was asking for in terms of dollars but it seems very likely to me that he’d be worth what they gave him. A $4M per year long-term deal strikes me as being a bargain for the Avs. But if he didn’t get along with anybody, that is a problem and although I’m not really high on Mueller, he could end up being good. Still trading a sure thing for a maybe always strikes me as being foolhardy.
Whoa. Your farm team is moving to Cleveland? That I did not know. Having them not spend money is a bummer. The team likely won’t be able to hold their playoff position and they’ll have already used up two cheap years on Duchene’s contract which is a real shame.
I don’t think the Avalanche should sign Anderson to big money although I do think he’s a good goalie. I’m not sure what you mean by Tim Thomas though. That guy’s still quite good, just way overpaid. If they pay Anderson half the price to deliver that performance, they’ll be in good shape. If they can’t get something done, the FA market looks okay at this early stage. In 2011 you have Vokoun, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Giguere, Howard, Conklin and a bunch of others scheduled to become UFAs so there should be plenty of decent goalies available.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
If you only watched Wolski for the first half of the season, then this definitely would look like a bad trade; however, he had quite the cold streak in the middle portion. In his last 25 games with the Avs, he scored only two goals with nine assists, which is not what you want from your top winger. And that’s the kind of thing that would happen with Wolski a lot, at least that I remember, he’d disappear for long stretches. And then of course, all the problems with coaches like Mike mentioned.
The Lake Erie Monsters have been in The Land of Lebron (until this summer anyway!!) for the last two years. Play in the same arena actually.
I’m expecting a regression for them next year in due to no small part because at least a third of those rookies have a great choice of hitting the prototypical sophomore slump. We also know Yip’s shooting % isn’t sustainable, David Jones has a really ugly injury history, they’ve returned almost the exact same defense (baring some shakeup in the coming weeks) that includes a one-dimensional Cumiskey and double-concussion Wilson, and Mueller himself saw little birdies twice last season. Hejduk isn’t any younger, Stewart is coming off a career year and may/may not be a legit power forward and if they don’t find somebody who can capitalize on the things O’Reilly does right then they are in deep trouble.
My Anderson concern is that he WILL get a “he’s all we got” deal sometime during the next season and the organization has no backup plan right now. I don’t see him getting outplayed like Rask did Thomas, just that one or two good seasons generate a massive contract that isn’t supported by his play. Though in Thomas’ case a large part of his success may have been a result of some of the guys in front of him, while Anderson has a pretty lackluster defensive corps coughing up golden opportunities in front of him.
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The Lake Erie Monsters have been in The Land of Lebron (until this summer anyway!!) for the last two years. Play in the same arena actually.
Dammit! I assumed the Lake Erie team played in Erie. Do you know why they go by “Lake Erie” instead of “Cleveland?”
As for the Avs overall, they really do need to bring some players in if they hope to maintain their position in the standings. Brandon Yip, for example, is a guy that I wouldn’t even give a one-way contract offer yet could end up in the top nine if they don’t bring in some new bodies.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
you are forgetting chemistry, rumor has it wolski was not well liked and I know from a reliable source that the coaches didn’t like him b/c he had lots of talent but took way to many nights off. Mike says it’s a coincidence that THREE coaches in a row didn’t like him, huh? When you’re a top guy you don’t go 10 and 14 games without a goal. He’s only scored 20+ goals once! Plus, he didn’t use his size which the coaches hated. Mueller has a “shit load” of talent, will be less expensive and is younger so let’s see how he does. he was the best scorer on the team after he came over. You don’t go 8th overall in draft being a bum. he’s only 22 too. only 1 year (last year) did wolski score more points than mueller did as a ROOKIE.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 23, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not “forgetting” chemistry so much as “ignoring” it because, as fans, I think we generally have a really bad idea of the truth in that area. A lot of people like to talk about “reliable sources” but if it’s not on the record, I can’t judge the reliability of the source for myself and, thus, don’t put any stock in it. What I do know is that Wolski is an excellent hockey player and was one of the few Avs who could both generate offence and keep the puck moving in the right direction without being sheltered. He does a lot right beyond scoring points and is a really valuable player. Mueller, on the other hand, was one of the most sheltered players in the league in Phoenix and didn’t produce anything. I don’t think he’s actually that bad, but he’s also not going to score like he did with the Avs to close out the season. As for 8th OV picks never being bums, well, that just isn’t true. In the last ten drafts we’ve got Scott Glennie (too early), Mikkel Boedker (too early), Zach Hamill (likely bust), Peter Mueller (pretty decent), Devin Setoguchi (good), Alexandre Picard (bust), Braydon Coburn (good), Pierre-Marc Bouchard (good), Pascal Leclaire (bad NHL goalie) and Nikita Alexeev (bust). It’s a pretty mixed bag.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll buy that on the 8th pick but none of those guys scored 54 pts as an 18 year old rookie. The reason Tippett won was b/c he’s all defense and mueller is an offensive player so they had an issue.
Interestingly it helps make my point to go get a proven guy like kovi b/c even if you draft top 10 you are not sure of the result.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 23, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The Avalanche could definitely afford to go after an established star. In my opinion, they probably should. As for Mueller, Tippett put him in a fantastic position to succeed offensively. His end-zone start ratio was one of the most favourable in the entire league (213 OZ to 117 DZ) while he was in Phoenix and he was taking on something less than the vaunt too. In other words, he should have been putting up big offensive numbers. He didn’t fail because of Tippett and I can understand why Phoenix moved him out. That said, part of the problem was struggling with the percentages and that was bound to move toward average (which it did and then some once he got to Colorado) and he’s still young enough that he could improve substantially as a player over the next couple of years.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Mueller also had a beef with the organization as he felt they rushed him back from his first concussion. Perhaps he was playing his way out of PHX on purpose?
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Rushing people back after concussions is stupid but intentionally playing awful is also pretty dumb since it will likely cost you – at minimum – a few hundred thousand dollars. I’d think that if we wanted out that much he’d just ask for a trade and if it was really bad, refuse to report.
by Scott Reynolds on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re operating under the assumption that he didn’t ask for a trade or that there was anybody in the PHX office who would listen. It’s not like they were busy or anything.
I kid, I kid. Most likely he was just going through the motions and wearing his heart on the sleeve. Or he could suck. Too early to tell.
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The Avs need to make some roster changes if they want to get better. You take away that start and they were basically a 500 team. ANDERSON was the reason they made it, PERIOD. They gave up so many shots and the avs D are soft. If they play the same way next year they will be in last place in division. They need to do 2 things primarily:
1) sign a couple of veteran D who can play physical and clear the zone (the anti-hanna if you will) . FORGET all this talk of 18-19 yr olds they have in the system for next year, will not happen, period. Shattenkirk is the only guy who may play but they then have to move liles or cumiskey in my opinion b/c they are similar players. Liles is untradable b/c of his salary and limited role he can play. Why tarde cumiskey? he’s cheap on payroll and might have been their best D man on many nights. So, there you have it. I’ll take willie mitchell and colavaciao, or maybe lydman. Now that is the KEY to their season.
2. They need a power forward or two who can score.. Stewart is it right now. Raffi Torres would be a great start, he had a bad year but still had 19 goals. Of course Kovalchuk is what is needed and tight ass kroenke would get his salary back b/c HE WOULD sell tickets and create some buzz.
1. Don’t see it happening. The guys that would have an immediate, minute-munching impact on Colorado next year will all get overpaid by the market this offseason. I think when Sherman talks about building from within and not chasing free agents he’s talking 99.9% about defense.
2. They don’t need a digger or a mucker as much as they need a finisher to complement setup master Statsny and compliment Duchene. A depth pickup to compliment O’Reilly (though they are likely to see if Stoa or Yip can fill that role) would be nice too. Ryan deserves better linemates that Marek Svatos and Darcy Tucker.
All in all, the Avs will regress this year given the current lineup and the project guys starting in Cleveland. It might be a necessary growing pain. They should have struggled more last year but the bargain-basement signing of Anderson may have delayed the rebuild by a season. Anderson easily cost them 10 draft spots this year. But they were hella-fun to watch.
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