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A Pessimistic Look at Prospects, Part Three: Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson

At the beginning of the month, the Edmonton Oilers dropped a three-year contract on Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson, which I'm told is Swedish for "hope-please let's not be in the draft lottery next season". Pääjärvi-Svensson, or as he's known by people with better things to do than type "Pääjärvi-Svensson" all afternoon "MPS" or "Päjjan", was the tenth overall pick in a draft that has already given the world stars like John Tavares and Matt Duchene. He's got good size and dynamite speed. He's scoring in bunches in the Swedish first division, made quite a good tre kroner World Championships team, and is the anthropomorphic personification of "upside"? What's not to love?

Oh, don't worry. I'll always find something.

This is my third crack at bursting the bubble of a highly-touted young Oiler, following up my earlier efforts on Teemu Hartikainen and Linus Omark. I've only done two so far because pessimism is in rather wide supply among Oiler fans these days and trying to shatter our future in the same way Steve Tambellini has shattered our present made me want to sling an extension cord around a water pipe and stick my neck in. But it's the offseason and that's always a time of hope even when that hope isn't really justified. Pääjärvi-Svensson's entry-level contract was consummated a year before he had to come to North America and reminds us that there is always something new, young, exciting, and hopeful on the horizon that will hopefully be more Ales Hemsky than Michel Riesen.

I'm not saying that Pääjärvi-Svensson is going to be dreadful in North America. Far from it. But one sees the rave reviews, one notices that he was number two in our Top 25 Under 25 last winter, one hears the glowing terms of reverence, and I'm sorry but I'm not sure there's enough fire to generate all that smoke. With condolences to my Swedish readers, I must run the third part of a pessimistic look at the Edmonton Oilers' prospects with the Swedish golden boy, Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson.

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Unlike fellow Swede Linus Omark, there are no gigantic red lights with Pääjärvi-Svensson. He's the right size and certainly has all the physical abilities. He's developing as a player, going from 17 points in the SEL during his draft year to 29 last season. He gets praise from his coaches and already has senior appearances for the Swedish national team under his belt, an impressive achievement in spite of his relative ineffectiveness during the World Championships. This is what I mean when I say that he'll probably be a player, if not a fantastic one. The arrows are pointing up, at least.

And what I mean when I say I'm pessimistic is that he's not going to be as good a player as some people seem to think or hope. At least, he's not going to be one for the Oilers. This problem isn't particularly Pääjärvi-Svensson's fault, but it's hard to see what the Oilers were thinking giving him a contract right now at all. Pääjärvi-Svensson is nineteen and has another year of eligibility before he'd have to be signed. As devotees of the Tyler Dellow oeuvre could tell you, signing a player to his entry-level contract before you have to is essentially frittering away a cheap year of that player's physical prime.

I'm not as dead-set against signing teenagers as some. There are cases - Sam Gagner, for instance - where a player has nothing to prove in junior or Europe and playing with teenagers again would simply be retarding his habits and would provide a development situation with inferior coaching and against inferior competition. But Pääjärvi-Svensson is playing in maybe the second-best league in Europe against grown men. He is effective but hardly dominant at the SEL level and another year would have done him nothing but good while ensuring the Oilers would get better value in his career. You can hardly blame Pääjärvi-Svensson for acting in his own best interests, but the Oilers have put themselves behind the eight-ball from the off.

For all his flash, his razzle, and his dazzle, Pääjärvi-Svensson has a few question marks in terms of outscoring ability. During his time in Timrå, the Red Eagles have been erratic, with a handful of players getting it done and too many others getting pinned in their own end. Pääjärvi-Svensson has too often been on the wrong side of that equation. In his draft year, Pääjärvi-Svensson was tenth in team scoring. But whereas most of the team leaders were in the +5 to +10 range, Pääjärvi-Svensson was a mediocre -6. Last season, Timrå snuck into the playoffs with Pääjärvi-Svensson third in scoring and a highly credible +14, but the question is which Pääjärvi-Svensson is the real one. He had the advantage of playing with veterans Daniel Corso and Martin Sonnenberg, and was the third-best of the trio but was still perfectly legitimate. How much of it was his QUALTEAM, to put it in those terms?

His offense isn't good enough for NHL stardom on its own. In his 19-year-old season, Henrik Sedin had 47 points with Modo and Daniel Sedin had 45. Nicklas Backstrom had 40 points in 45 games, and that's the approximate level you expect offense-first SEL players to reach the year after they're drafted. Pääjärvi-Svensson comes up short; his most favourable close comparison is with Dallas's Loui Eriksson, quite a good offensive player who was in the Pääjärvi-Svensson scoring range in Sweden. But Eriksson is the exception, rather than the rule. His offense is good, but not elite. His defense is not good. That is not a combination that will lead to the pillars of the game.

Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson may well become a useful NHL player. But he's not likely to be a star, and we shouldn't put pressure on the kid or get our own hopes up by expecting he will.

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Magnus is tracking ahead of Anze Kopitar. These comparisons are useless.

MPS was named to the WC all-star team at 19 which is a far better indicator than what Henrik Sedin did 10 years ago.

MPS is the next Marian Hossa.

by Traktor on Jun 13, 2010 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep, a short tournament is a far better indication than two regular seasons. I concede the point.

by Benjamin Massey on Jun 13, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

For every comparison that is under you can find a comparison and is over.

What Magnus does today is a much better indicator than what Sedin did 10 years ago.

Pierre McGuire, Mark Messier and Ray Bourque have all called MPS a future star. Maybe I’m naive but I think that’s a stronger tell than your “argument”.

“Pääjärvi-Svensson was a mediocre -6. Last season, Timrå snuck into the playoffs with Pääjärvi-Svensson third in scoring and a highly credible +14, but the question is which Pääjärvi-Svensson is the real one.”

That’s a real tough one. Is Magnus a mystery or did he improve from 18-19 like all developing hockey players.

Magnus also had the best +/- in the entire WC at +8. He must have been a byproduct of Daniel Corso.. oh wait

by Traktor on Jun 13, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Although I don’t find appeals to authority at all convincing (i.e. McGuire, Messier and Bourque say…) I do think Paajarvi will be a very good player (though I’m not sure how confident I’d be in saying “the next Hossa”). Further, I think you raise a really good point when it comes to comparables. It seems to me that it’s important to establish a set of players who are actual comparables rather than simply naming a couple of guys who aren’t and saying that he’s tracking behind them.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 20, 2010 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

http://stats.swehockey.se/

Two years in a row that MPS generated a ton of shots, but very pedestrian shooting percentages. Off the top of my mind, I think in the 7% range two years in a row. That’s Patty O’Sullivan territory, doesn’t exactly scream sniper to me.

I still think the big concern at the draft about his finishing ability is still valid. A few youtube videos have some people convinced it isn’t an issue, but the numbers are there for anyone to check.

by Boondock Saint on Jun 13, 2010 1:27 PM MDT reply actions  

MPS looked like a fantastic player at the World Juniors, and I’ll be the first to admit I was hoping to hear his name called when the Senators picked at #9 last season. However, the fact that Ottawa did not pick him is what makes me wonder about MPS. Ottawa scouts Swedish players pretty thoroughly, picking five Swedes in the last two years, including nabbing Erik Karlsson at #15 (which is looking like a pretty great pick after his rookie season).

Considering the team’s love for Swedish players, I can’t help but wonder why Ottawa’s scouts decided to take a risk on Jared Cowen and his injured knee over MPS.

That oddity aside, I’m looking forward to seeing MPS in an Oilers sweater.

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by DarrenM on Jun 13, 2010 5:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Nothing like snuffing optimism in our prospects with good old fashioned pessimism. Far be it for fans here to actually be excited about something. ;)

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by Racki on Jun 13, 2010 9:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Just because Ben’s pessimistic about everything and everybody doesn’t mean we all have to be. My theory is he’s just trying to get a rise out of people. :) You’ve heard of low-expectation-having mofos? Ben is lowering the bar.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 13, 2010 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha I get it. I’m probably too far on the opposite end of the spectrum, as I have high hopes for a few of our prospects. I think MPS is at the top of the list though, even above Eberle. But we will see in the next few years.

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by Racki on Jun 14, 2010 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like the concept. Considering that the message board denizens are already trading away Hemsky, Horcoff and Penner so that these guys can take on the top six forward positions, a dose of pessimism might even up the craziness.

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by Derek Zona on Jun 14, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m still trying to figure out how you can attempt to be pessimistic about a prospect and not mention the only glaring deficiency he had at the WHC: The play dying every time he had the puck on the boards. Like, immediately. Almost every single time.

Although I’ll admit to having stopped reading at “outscoring”. I knew what would follow would just be undefined statistics, comparison and fallacy, some of the hockey blog worlds favorite pass times. I’ll continue to chalk it up to journalism majors pretending to know math and applying it to something subjective.

Theory makes unconvincing pessimism.

by zys on Jun 13, 2010 9:03 PM MDT reply actions  

So, you consider “players who get more goals than they give up are good” to be “undefined statistics, comparison, and fallacy”? I’m not a stats guy but Jesus.

by Benjamin Massey on Jun 13, 2010 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jury is still out for me

I am optimistic but need to see results!!!

by Tamon Yanagimoto on Jun 13, 2010 11:14 PM MDT reply actions  

MPS was only 18 last season

Ben your argument about how many points Backstrom and the Sedins had in their 19 year old season does not hold water wrt MPS. They were both drafted after their 18 year old seasons so were 19 the season after, as they are all three fall birthdays. MPS has a late April birthday so was drafted after his 17 year old season. Last season, his 18 year old season, should be compared to Backstrom and the Sedins’ predraft year for stats. While I do not have them in front of me and am too lazy to look them up, memory tells me all four had comparable 18 year old seasons, only MPS had his the year after he was drafted while the other three had theirs the year before.

by esatikkanen on Jun 14, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not that big a believer in birthdays being the most important determining factor. Paajarvi-Svensson didn’t grow two inches and put on twenty pounds between his draft and post-draft seasons. It was experience, more than physical maturity, that drove his results. It’s certainly a factor to bear in mind but it’s not that clear-cut.

by Benjamin Massey on Jun 14, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well the birthday seems to have made a fair amount of difference in some of your examples.

With the comparisons you chose of Backstrom and the Sedins. The jump for them from pre-draft season to post draft season is pretty dramatic. It would seem a half year to a year at that stage of development makes a fairly large difference.

I am not disputing the kid has work to do. He does not seem to compete as hard as he could for the puck along the boards. I would agree to some degree, despite his point totals at this past WJC, he was not as dominant as his numbers would make it appear. But I was personally impressed with his defensive game. It was further along than I would have expected personally.

by oilerdiehard on Jun 14, 2010 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Paajarvi can’t play a lick of defence right now. But he hustles on the ice, has some guts, and has all-star offensive skills.

Not many folks still wishing we had taken Scottie Glennie or Jared Cowan, I imagine.

by David Staples @ The Cult of Hockey on Jun 14, 2010 12:19 PM MDT reply actions  

In other words he’s like Patrick O’Sullivan, but with hustle, balls, and offence.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 14, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually MPS>> Glennie even before the draft, It was nothing short of a miracle that he landed to us at 10, with Burke/ Nuiewendyk going for good Canadian lads, and then Ottawa geting enticed by the Cowen’s pre-injury potential.

by SumOil on Jun 16, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

This. Both Scott Glennie and Nazem Kadri were rated well below Paajarvi going into the draft. The Oilers were extremely lucky that he was available tenth overall (but good on them for making the pick).

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 20, 2010 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

there are a couple major problems with your argument

first – as another person pointed out, MPS is significantly younger than the sedins and backstrom were when they were drafted… the sedins were 7 months older and backstrom was 5 months older… 7 months is fairly significant, and i’m not a guy who really buys into the whole “birthdate being important” idea

second – “in spite of his relative ineffectiveness during the World Championships”… umm, really?… he made the world championships all-star team … he finished 1st on his team in scoring and 3rd in the entire tournament, lol… i’m not sure how you can call that anything but a resounding success… what more could you possibly want?

i agree about the contract though, i don’t see why we didn’t wait until next offseason to sign him… the only reason i can think of is that maybe he can go back to sweden and we don’t burn a year off his entry level deal… but i’m not sure if that is true or not

by jadeddog on Jun 14, 2010 2:54 PM MDT reply actions  

You said:his relative ineffectiveness during the World Championships."

Here are the all stars from the 2010 World Championships:

Goalkeeper: Dennis Endras (GER)
Defenceman: Petteri Nummelin (FIN)
Defenceman: Christian Ehrhoff (GER)
Forward: Pavel Datsyuk (RUS)
Forward: Evgeni Malkin (RUS)
Forward: Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson (SWE)

MPS also led Sweden in scoring.

Everyone gets all excited about Hall beating other teenagers, and no one really cares that MPS was one of the best among men at age 19.

by Woodguy on Jun 15, 2010 9:18 AM MDT reply actions  

He had the advantage of playing with veterans Daniel Corso and Martin Sonnenberg, and was the third-best of the trio but was still perfectly legitimate.

This may be a silly question, but did he actually play with those guys? I had heard in the past that he was playing with Lander.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 20, 2010 11:24 PM MDT reply actions  

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