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The Oilers, The Finnish Transfer Agreement, And Teemu Hartikainen

Ever since Ben Massey mentioned Teemu Hartikainen in his "Communications Breakdown" article, there's been an air of uncertainty surrounding the deadline on signing Hartikainen to his entry-level contract.  Uncertainty surrounding the details of the collective bargaining agreement isn't new to the Oilers.  You may recall the confusion surrounding Gilbert Brule's waiver eligibility which generated the now famous "YOU ARE WRONG" line that everyone loves.  Gregor got his information straight from Rick Olczyk, reconfirmed that information and went to bat for Rick Olczyk in a big way.  It wasn't until Brule declared himself waiver eligible that the Oilers finally backed away from their position and admitted that Brule did, indeed, need to clear waivers before going to the AHL.

Everything old is always new again and that brings us to Rick Olczyk, Teemu Hartikainen, the CBA and the Finnish Transfer agreement.

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The dates and terms for signing draft choices are laid out in Exhibit 15 of the NHL CBA as June 1st.  The transfer agreement addendum was worked out in the Letter Agreements at the end of the CBA.  I requested a copy of the new agreement signed in July 2009 from multiple league entities and, unfortunately, that request was rejected by all parties.  However, I was able to reach out to a number of other sources that helped to point me in the right direction.

In response to our suggestion that Edmonton was closing in on the deadline to sign Hartikainen, Guy Flaming from Coming Down The Pipe! contacted the Oilers:

I requested an update from the Oilers... "Cornet is the only one who needs to be signed before June 1st; Hartikainen is under contract in Finland and we can't sign him until he is relieved of his contractual obligations over there."  (I am looking to confirm when his deal in Finland expires but perhaps one of our CBA-guru readers will be able to explain why they don't have to sign him by June 1st).

I talked to an SM-Liiga source who told me that "Hartikainen signed a two-year extension in January of 2009, running through the end of KalPa's 2010-2011 season.  If he is signed by the Edmonton Club he can choose to leave before the transfer window closes and he would not have to fulfill his contract."  If the Oilers are waiting for his contract to expire, there is no doubt that they are going to miss the signing window, as it won't matter if the deadline is June 1st, 2010 or June 15th, 2010 because the deal expires in 2011.

After taking some heat on that explanation in the comments, Guy called the Oilers again:

I pressed on for more of an explanation and I can report that this is what I have been told:

"The Finnish Agreement calls for 2008 Drafted Players to be signed by their drafting club by June 15, 2010. If not signed then the players re-enter the Draft."

So according to that, it's true to say that they don't have to sign Hartikainen by June 1st like they do with Cornet, however, it doesn't mean that they'd hold his rights for long beyond that. It's not a similar case as with players in Russia.

I contacted some other sources to try and nail down the date.  In fact, I spoke with six different people with varying degrees of intimacy with the Finnish Transfer Agreement and there was much disagreement on the meaning of the language.

From Guy's statement above, the Oilers' reading of the document is clear - they have until June 15th, 2010 to sign Hartikainen but they can't sign him until his contract with KalPa is up in 2011.  At least I think that's what they are saying based on Guy's statement.

I spoke with an agent that represents various clients, including Finns and Swedes and he agrees with the Oilers, that the signing date is June 15th, 2010, not June 1st, 2010. I spoke with an AHL source with experience in transfers and he thought that June 15th was also the new date:  "It's June 1st for North American players and European players not contracted have until June 15th to sign."

On the other side of this, a separate SM-Liiga source told me "...the contract deadline for all Finns taken in 2008 is June 1st, 2010.  A  source close to the NHL echoed that sentiment and told me that "the team would need to sign the player before June 1, 2010, otherwise the player will re-enter the 2010 NHL Draft."  Contacts in the front office of a Western Conference team confirmed the June 1 date, saying that "June 1 is the date by which they need to sign their draftees from Sweden and Finland or they are back in the draft." 

Either there are clauses that are not entirely clear in the Agreement, or it's written in Kiswahili because a group of people involved in hockey as a living are arriving at markedly different conclusions after reading the document. 

One thing that all six people I spoke with agree on - the Oilers do not have to wait for Hartikainen's contract with KalPa to expire.  That's exactly why there is a transfer agreement in place and a transfer window each season.

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Wow, talk about convoluted.

by DarrenV on May 7, 2010 9:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Hence the confusion between so many different parties that have the document in their possession.

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by Derek Zona on May 7, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know! Maybe the Oilers should ink Harski in May 2010. Better safe than sorry with this dandy prospect.

To the Oilers’ credit they have systematically been signing guys on reasonable timelines all spring. Hartikainen was naturally delayed due to his (professional!) team still playing games until very recently. Now that his season is over, he should become a priority of the organization.

I don’t get any sense that this kid wants to do anything but full speed ahead, he doesn’t seem to be playing coy like Riley Nash. Even as an outperforming fifth rounder, he shouldn’t command that taxing of a contract negotiation. I hope and expect that Teemus will come to terms with the club in the next couple of weeks. It would help if they mapped out a timetable for his 2010-11 season while they’re at it.

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by Bruce McCurdy on May 7, 2010 9:43 AM MDT reply actions  

couldnt have put it better myself

by SumOil on May 7, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure if it’s because I haven’t finished my first cup of coffee in the morning or not, but does this summary of the agreement from the IIHF even jive with itself?

PLAYER TRANSFER AGREEMENT SIGNED

“The signing deadline each year, for players under contract, is June 15 for each of the four years. IIHF players subject to NHL Draft related rights and who have not yet signed an NHL-contract must be signed by the NHL team by June 1 in any year of the current PTA.”

In my eyes, those two statements are completely at odds with one another. Any thoughts?

by ranford4life on May 7, 2010 9:55 AM MDT reply actions  

no they are not. its pretty clear. If a team drafts a player from that league, they have until june 1st to sign him or else the guy re-enters the draft. If a team needs to sign any other player already under contract with a team in sim liiga they have until june 15th. Hence hartikainen needs to be signed by june 1st, but if oilers were needing to sign any other player under contract, they will have until june 15th

by SumOil on May 7, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’d like to think this interpretation is the right one (since it makes sense) but as Derek says, there must be some reason people aren’t unanimous about this, so, unfortunately, it’s probably not all that clear.

by Scott Reynolds on May 7, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

In my eyes, those two statements are completely at odds with one another. Any thoughts?

Without the document, I don’t think I would be comfortable saying one way or another. Six people who have read the document are split down the middle as to the signing deadline, so there’s no way that we’re going to figure it our from a press release.

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by Derek Zona on May 7, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Flaming has a new post up citing the league (NHL I presume) as stating that the deadline is June 1.

The wording from the press release above was a bit cloudy, and as Derek mentioned, was likely more clear in the full document. However, it seems strange that someone with open access to the full document was unclear about its interpretation.

The Riley Nash fiasco could be a whole other foray into this same fog of clarity.

by ranford4life on May 7, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw that, and I’ll have a post up about it shortly. It’s another look into the front office, and combined with the Brule mess it seems like they need a new “CBA Guru” other than Olczyk.

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by Derek Zona on May 7, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yah I agree that they need a new CBA guru. There have been a couple of times, minimum, where he’s had troubles with stuff that many fans (i.e. bloggers / forum posters) seem to know better. I understand that he has a lot to know, but really this stuff is pretty important. If you’re not in touch with rules that could cost you players (really, we could have lost Hartikainen back into the draft over this if they thought they had more time and were going to wait until last minute).

This reminds me of an incident that happened several years ago (5-10?). My memory is pretty fuzzy on this, so pardon me for being vague, but i seem to recall a team out there losing or nearly losing a player to free agency because they didn’t realize he was about to turn UFA and thought he was an RFA. I wonder if anyone else can remember what the heck I’m thinking of. :P

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by Racki on May 7, 2010 5:49 PM MDT reply actions  

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