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Milan Kytnar Scouting Report

When the writers here at the Copper and Blue decided to look at the prospects in the system we made a choice to look at all players under twenty-five and did substantive work on each of the top twenty-five players.  One of they players who was among "The Rejects" (and 31st to be exact) was Milan Kytnar.  But I think of all those rejects Milan Kytnar is one of the guys with a chance because the numbers we use to measure the effectiveness of players in junior leagues aren't particularly flattering for young Kytnar.  Kytnar's team - the Vancouver Giants - were recently eliminated from the WHL playoffs.  After the jump I'll take a look at Kytnar's season and, in particular, his play throughout this year's playoffs.

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Kytnar is an interesting prospect.  The Oilers thought enough of him to sign him to an entry-level contract about one year ago which suggests that they like the player but then they sent him back to junior for an extra season in the WHL which is usually a pretty bad sign.  Real prospects usually don't play that extra year in junior.  So why did they send him back?  In an interview with Kristi Hennessy of oilers.nhl.com Kytnar said that the "Oilers put me back in the juniors to basically improve my offence." 

So how's that going?  Well, after scoring 64 points in 65 games in 2008-09 with the Saskatoon Blades, Kytnar's regular season saw him score 40 points in 45 games this season, mostly with the Vancouver Giants.  And that's not very good for a 20-year old.  If you wanted to find some hope as far as offensive progress is concerned, you'd look at Kytnar's performance in the last part of the season.  Injuries were a concern for him this season as he dealt with shoulder and rib problems and those may have been detrimental to this early season performance because hrough his first 27 games, Kytnar only scored 16 points which means over his last 18 regular season games he scored 24 points, which is probably much closer to what the Oilers had in mind.

But offence isn't going to be Kytnar's calling card anyway.  If he makes it to the NHL it's going to be as a traditional "checker" and maybe as a guy who provides leadership (he was, after all, the captain of Slovakia's fourth place entry in the World Junior Championship in 2009).  And this is exactly the role he was playing with the Giants this past season.  To illustrate what I mean, we'll look at how he did in each of Kytnar's three playoff series.

In the Kamloops series, Kytnar seems to have been matched up against their top line. Of the seven EV goal events with Kytnar on the ice, four of them took place against the line of C.J. Stretch, Brendan Ranford and Colin Smith, two of the Blazers' top three scorers including their top guy. He also had a SH point in the series, so he’s getting some PK time for sure but didn't have any PP points on five Vancouver PP goals, so he probably wasn’t getting much time there. His most common linemates were Brett Breitkreuz (who was at Edmonton’s Training Camp and used to play for the Oil Kings) with 6/7 EV events, James Henry (4/7) and Connor Redmond (3/7) so he sure wasn't playing with Vancouver's top offensive guys.  Nonetheless, he did manage to score one goal and three assists to go along with a +2 at EV (+4 -2) in four games against the Blazers.

In the Portland series there were 11 EV events (some 4-on-4, some 5-on-5) and he again had the other team’s top offensive players as his most common opposition. He had 6/11 EV events against Nino Niederreiter, 5/11 against Brad Ross and 5/11 against Ryan Johansen, so three of their top four scorers. The linemates were more varied this time but he was most often with James Henry (7/11) and Brett Breitkreuz (5/11).  Connor Redmond was 0/11 so that 3/7 against Kamloops may have been a fluke. The big change was his point distribution.  Kytnar scored one goal and six assists in the six-game series but four of those points came on the power play (out of eight Vancouver PP events) which is a pretty healthy chunk of his offence.  He was also -3 in this series at EV (+4 -7) and having a goal against plus per game isn't exactly shutting the other guys down.

The series against Tri-Cities is the toughest to get real information from, mostly because Kytnar played well!  He was +1 in the series with only five EV events with Kytnar on the ice over the six-game series (+3 -2).  With so few events, Kytnar didn't have more than two against any one (Tri-City) American but he did have 3/5 with Brett Breitkreuz.  He only scored three points in the six-game series (and two of those on the power play) but if he was taking on the toughs, it's awfully hard to say he didn't do his job.

In the end, Kytnar managed fifteen points in sixteen playoff games and ended the series even.  Now, there's an awfully large chasm between shut-down center in the WHL and shut-down center in the NHL but it seems like that's the path Kytnar is on and that the next step will begin next season in Oklahoma City (unless he gets an invite to play with Slovakia at the WC's which actually seems plausible to me; it would be great to see him play).  His NHLE doesn't project a big scorer.  If we take his last two years worth of results (regular seasons and playoffs) it projects out to 23 points over 82 NHL games.  But if he can develop a bit offensively and actually handle tough opposition, well a 30-point checking center has some value.  Unlike many of the other "rejects," I think this guy has a chance.

Poll
What are the odds of Milan Kytnar playing 100 NHL games?
90% - Only injuries stand in his way.
5 votes
70% - The Oilers need a shut-down center, and he's the guy.
13 votes
50% - He either makes it or he doesn't. It's a coin flip, you idiot.
37 votes
30% - Lander and Nash are better but they may never come over.
66 votes
10% - He can't carry Ryan O'marra's jock... but you never know.
28 votes
1% - Are. You. Kiddingme.
17 votes

166 votes | Poll has closed

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He has a a chance – there is no such useful player in the minor league portion of the organization that possesses the same skill. I expect VandeVelde to have some offensive pop next year, so Kytnar could find a niche.

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by Derek Zona on May 1, 2010 9:08 PM MDT reply actions  

i dont think Kytnar makes it to the show. There are others who have similar skill set and a higher draft pedigree and will be given more chances than him

by SumOil on May 1, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who are the others?

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by Derek Zona on May 1, 2010 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

anton lander
Chris Vande velde

by SumOil on May 1, 2010 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I really like Kytnar, have followed his career moderately closely and like what he brings. That said, I agree with Sum that Lander, VandeVelde and also Nash are in the mix with similar/better size and skill sets, and a higher draft pedigree. In particular it strikes me that Kytnar is Lander-Lite. (I really, really like Lander!)

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by Bruce McCurdy on May 2, 2010 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think VandeVelde is more than a one-dimensional center. Nash as well. Lander would be his main competition for a defense only spot, and Kytnar gets a head start on him next year being the only defense first center in the AHL.

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by Derek Zona on May 2, 2010 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nash and Vandevelde have shown more offense than Kytnar and Lander each year.

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by Derek Zona on May 2, 2010 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

The thing here is the depth chart at center
Horcoff(at least for another 5 years)
Gagner
Potulny
Pouliot
Nash
Lander
CVV
Kytnar

Also I am sure there will be more drafted and signed this offseason
If Seguin is drafted things will get even more difficult for the guy.

by SumOil on May 2, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

You forgot Brule and Cogliano.

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by Derek Zona on May 2, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

no i intentionally kept them out…they play more(or will end up playing) more on the wing.

by SumOil on May 2, 2010 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you here Sum. I wrote the article and still voted for the 10% column. And that might be generous. Still, going over that “Rejects” list, he’s one of the few guys that I would put that high. And I think Derek is being a tad aggressive with these other centers. Right now these guys are all fighting for basically two spots in the lineup (unless they move to wing) because Horcoff and Gagner will have two spots sewn up for a long time. So I think all of Lander, VDV, Kytnar and Nash are in direct competition for the last two spots at center. The fact that the other guys have better offence just makes them more likely to win the job, not get a better one.

by Scott Reynolds on May 2, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

The way I figure it is that Kytnar has a two year cushion. He’s still very young.

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by Derek Zona on May 2, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

A cushion from… competition with those other prospects? I think there’s some chance that he develops better as a pro than some of the other guys but he’ll need to show that he’s a very good AHL player before his first contract runs out. He’s already got VDV in the AHL and, if they come at all, Lander and Nash should be in the AHL or NHL one more year down the line. And he’s young, but not that young. Same draft as Nash and Gagner who are both tracking ahead of him. And then there’s the fact that any of these guys need to win a spot over the other NHL options at center already on the team.

by Scott Reynolds on May 2, 2010 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

There is a chance that Kytnar makes it as a sort of Slovakian Marty Reasoner. But problematically there are guys with better offensive pedigrees and some defense ahead of him like Lander, Nash and Vande Veld. On the other hand given that Nash and Lander are both question marks as to whether they’ll ever play for the team..he has an outside shot.

by ChrisBat on May 2, 2010 2:59 PM MDT reply actions  

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