NHL Playoff Preview - Round Two
What an exciting first round! I had a lot of fun counting scoring chances for the Canucks and Kings and will be tallying again for the Canucks and Blackhawks in Round Two. Derek, meanwhile, counted scoring chances for the Sharks and Avs (mostly the Sharks) and will take the other Western Conference series between the Sharks and Red Wings. Overall, the Western Conference went pretty much to form but the Eastern Conference is a mess. Things broke pretty much perfectly for the Pittsburgh Penguins who can now advance to the Conference Finals without beating an opponent who posted a positive goal differential during the regular season. And they came into the playoffs as the fourth seed. Crazy. My one upset pick was the Bruins and they came through which makes me an about-even-with-everybody-else five for eight overall in my predictions.
After the jump, I'll preview each of the four series in Round Two, the first of which begins tonight! (Full Playoff Schedule) In Round One, I was an about-even-with-most-folks five for eight overall with my predictions though scored a nice win choosing Boston only to let it slip away by choosing the Kings to beat the Canucks. Of course it's the Canucks. I hate the Canucks.
Before I begin I'll explain what you'll see below (but before that, I'll give a big thanks to Vic Ferrari for scraping the data and making it publicly available). For each series I've created three tables with some statistics that I like to use when measuring team play. The first table is a breakdown of the out-shooting results for each team in the regular season, both in terms of Shots (on goal) percentage and Corsi (all shots directed at net) percentage, both overall and with the score tied (the "score tied" results limit the effect of "playing to the score"). A percentage of 50% would mean the team took 50% of all shots taken by both teams 5-on-5 (so that's league average). Since we're now in the second round of the playoffs, anything lower than 50% is pretty much terrible while anything approaching 60% is very good. The second table is the percentages on the season, both shooting percentage and save percentage, both overall and with the score tied. I'm open to both of these things involving some skill but any really good numbers are probably good luck more than anything else. The final table will have EV save percentage numbers for the starting goalies, both this season's number and the number that goalie posted over the last four seasons (which is probably a better indication of his true skill level). It will also include the special teams goal differential of each team from this season and... my favourite ex-Oiler on each team. The team with the advantage in each category will be highlighted in green, the team with the disadvantage in red. After the data, I'll talk a bit about each series and give my prediction.
#1 San Jose Sharks v. #5 Detroit Red Wings
I remember a time when there was peace between C+B and Sharks' bloggers everywhere. The Avalanche wanted to talk about the Sharks fragile psyche and Sharks fans could come here, look at the scoring chances, and be once again reassured that the percentages would even out enough for them. They were just that dominant. Not any more. In this series, the Sharks are likely the underdog and will need some help from the percentages in order to come through. Against playoff teams, the Sharks were actually outshot this year, while Detroit was the second best team in the Conference. The Avalanche were 14th (which is about where I'd put them in the Conference on talent). Joe Pavelski and Co. were dominant against the Avalanche because the Avalanche have absolutely no depth to speak of. That's not true of the Wings who will likely roll the Datsyuk's (Holmstrom/Franzen) and follow them with the Zetterberg's (Bertuzzi/Filppula). And they've got Nick Lidstrom who is, to my mind, still the best defender in the whole league. What I'm saying is, the Sharks scorers won't be getting the same cream puff match-ups they just finished with.
The only area that I'd say the Sharks have an advantage is in goal. Evgeni Nabokov has a much longer track record and Jimmy Howard's performance this season - and it has been outstanding - isn't enough for me to turn a blind eye to several seasons of mediocrity in the AHL. Nabokov struggled at times against the Avalanche but he did end the series with a very respectable (and predictable) .924 EV save percentage (.926 overall). If the Sharks win this series, it will be because their good special teams outplayed Detroit's good special teams and because Nabokov was clearly the better goalie. In the end, I don't think it happens. Wings in six.
But before we move on, I'd just like to congratulate Dwight Helminen on scoring his first ever NHL playoff goal. They may never make a "What if Dwight didn't play six years in the minors" video but maybe they should. Helminen has already played in as many playoff games as he did regular season games for the Sharks this season. Good stuff, man.
#2 Chicago Blackhawks v. #3 Vancouver Canucks
Chicago holds a clear territorial advantage at evens and a smaller but not inconsequential advantage on special teams. After watching the Canucks kill penalties against the Kings (they were downright awful for the first three games) the Hawks would seem to have a significant edge there. The Canucks didn't get particularly strong play from some pretty important players in the last round, guys like Mason Raymond and Ryan Kesler. If those guys aren't substantially better the Canucks will get run out of the rink trying to contend with the depth that Chicago has at forward. These guys don't beat you with one dominant line. They beat you with every line. On the back end, Brian Campbell is already back from injury and Willie Mitchell far from it. Without Mitchell, even Vancouver's top defenders often had trouble handling bodies in front of the net, which means a guy like Dustin Byfuglien could have a big series against the Canucks for a second year in a row. The only possible snag is goaltending. I thought Luongo played well against the Kings, and Niemi did the same for Chicago. The goaltending numbers in the third chart are actually for Luongo and Huet because Niemi doesn't really have any track record to speak of which means it's hard to get a handle on his actual level of ability. His .914 EV save percentage in the regular season is close to league average, but he's a wildcard. If the Canucks win this series, it will almost surely be the result of Luongo vastly outplaying Niemi. I actually live in Vancouver and a lot of people here are excited to get another chance at the Blackhawks. I don't really understand why. Redemption is not inevitable: Hawks in five.
#4 Pittsburgh Penguins v. #8 Montreal Canadiens
I guess I chose the wrong group of erstwhile Oilers! Congratulations to Jaroslav Spacek, Roman Hamrlik, Marc-Andre Bergeron and the rest of the Montreal Canadiens on their upset of the Washington Capitals. BUT. If Pittsburgh gets to the Stanley Cup finals, they will have had the easiest path there in recent memory. This is the first time since 1998 - when the NHL was a 26-team league - that one team has played two rounds of the playoffs without facing a team with a positive goal differential. In 1998 Dallas played San Jose in the first round and the Edmonton in the second before running into a very good Detroit team (+54) in the Conference Finals (Detroit went on to win the Cup). Should the Penguins advance, they'll have either Philadelphia (+11) or Boston (+6) which means the combined goal differential of their three playoff opponents cannot be higher than -8. The last time a team made it to the Stanley Cup Finals by playing three teams who combined for a negative goal differential was 1987 when the Edmonton Oilers played the Los Angeles Kings, Winnipeg Jets and Detroit Red Wings - who combined for a -29 goal differential - on their way to their third Stanley Cup. 1987. Nineteen. Eighty. Seven. You know, when the Whalers, Nordiques and Jets existed and the league had 21 teams in total. The hockey gods have smiled on Pittsburgh here. They'd best not fuck it up.
The East's embarrassing record aside (three of the four Western teams have a better goal differential than all four remaining teams in the East and all four Western teams had more regular season points), this series should see Pittsburgh smash Montreal. The catch is goaltending, as it has been for each of the favourites. Marc-Andre Fleury hasn't had a good season and didn't play all that well against Ottawa. His long-term track record has more reps than Halak but the performance is also significantly worse. Halak probably earned himself the starting job in Montreal with his performance against Washington. If he can duplicate his performance, he may earn more than a few worshipers. And they won't be doing it in jest.
But I doubt Halak does it. Pittsburgh is actually better territorially than Washington and they may have better depth too. Montreal has a few good forwards (Gomez in particular) but that hasn't been enough all season long, so it's not likely to start being enough now. Finally, Pittsburgh's record against non-playoff teams is outstanding. And if we're being honest here, Montreal is not playoff quality. I'll take the Penguins in four.
#6 Boston Bruins v. #7 Philadelphia Flyers
This series is going to be a lot of fun for fans. With the top three teams in the East done, there's a real opportunity here to make a run. The fans know it. The players know it. Passion will be the order of the day both on the ice and in the stands. I'm excited.
I picked Boston to win over Buffalo, so you know that I rate them. Last year I thought they were overrated when they were riding the percentages and this year I think they're underrated for that same reason. By the numbers, they may actually be the best team left in the East, though if it ends up being Pittsburgh and Boston in the Conference Finals I'll need to think long and hard about who to pick. For this one, Boston has both the better goaltender - they actually have the two best goaltenders - and they're outclassing the Flyers in terms of territorial advantage as well. The fact that Marc Savard is coming back from injury and pushing everybody down the line-up should have a positive trickle-down effect too. Philadelphia is dealing with the opposite problem now that Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter and (okay, this one isn't so bad) Ian Laperriere on the sidelines. That's a whole lot of value to go without and I suspect the Flyers may have more trouble than usual scoring goals. Even though it's hard to see an area where the Flyers are noticeably better (perhaps on defence as they'll have one of Chris Pronger or Kimmo Timonen on the ice almost all game), I still think this is going to be a long and physical series: Boston in seven.
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Amen on Lidstrom, Scott, although I’m willing to be convinced on Keith contending for the Norris too. But there is no way in hell or good green Earth that either Green or Doughty deserve it this season. You agree?
Chicago vs. Vancouver should be a scoring chance blood-bath in favor of the former, we just need a few breaks from the Hockey Gods and we can put away these fuckers for good. I was also really happy that Detroit advanced over Phoenix because if by chance VAN does pass Chicago, they will have to face another good team.
It’s all about the small victories at this point :-)
Yeah, I agree with you on the Norris stuff, though IMO Doughty is a clear step up on Green. He’s the best guy L.A. has already and it’s not close. Just a fantastic defender. But of the three nominees, I would put Keith first for sure.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 29, 2010 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I love Mike Green, but the fact that he got even one single vote over Nick Lidstrom is something the Hague should probably look into.
by Passive Voice on Apr 30, 2010 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Three reasons why Vancouver fans actually want to face Chicago (all narrative, you’d be insane to want to have your team play Chicago from a statistical point of view):
1. History – last playoff series was tense and chippy, if they keep meeting up and maintaining good teams this could be a good rivalry for a couple more years at least.
2. Quality – To win you have to face the best, well, preferably you’d want to face the worst and be nicely rested for the SCF (see Penguins), but this is narrative not reality.
3. Play – Chicago is a fun team to watch, it’ll be a good series, even if Van loses. Now, if the refs can figure out what an interference call is maybe Luongo might see a puck or two and make a save…
I guess I can understand the narrative reasons and I suppose once you’ve got to play them you may as well act like it’s a good thing. As you say, there is a pretty good chance that these teams play a few rounds against one another in the playoffs for the next few years and with Chicago likely bleeding some depth this summer the games will probably be getting closer.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 29, 2010 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Narrative is opium for the masses
It’s not really acting like it’s a good thing. It is a good thing from a narrative perspective, which is what most people care about. As Gabe said in a comment on his site (paraphrased): Only a limited amount of people care about the stats, professional gamblers and a fair number of bloggers.
Vancouver vs. Chicago is great because you can tell a good story with the series, and every iteration will add to the telling. You saw the same thing with Minny and Dallas before. Fortunately, unlike the Dallas series there may be actual goals scored in this series and not just wild rumors of one somewhere deep in the wilderness of the 3rd OT period.
I guess so. I actually really like narrative story-telling as well (Earl Sleek is the fucking man) but it just seems like this story will be more tragedy than anything else for the true-believer Canuck fans. I know a quite a few and they seem to think that they’re even money or better to win, figuring that they should have won last year. It’s a recipe for disappointment (about 60% of the time) if they’re serious and not just providing spin.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Scott, I have a reply to this, but it’s a bit long and a bit too off topic to post here. Drop me a note at the e-mail address (in my profile) and I’ll pass it your way if you’re interested.
Short form:
People make emotional investments, these are not rational, nor treated rationally. Resolution of cognitive dissonance forces a positive spin, it doesn’t matter what the odds are, we believe in agency and absolutes – the narratives.
Also, I doubt most people see the odds for this series at 60/40, I think they see it as 53/47 and a lucky bounce, lost edge or some frayed tempers can turn it one way or the other.
Thus, although Chicago are the favorites, all Vancouver needs to do is play well and get a little more lucky than Chicago.
Now, please explain to me how rooting for Edmonton over the past season is rational, in any way whatsoever. I think the answer is right there.
Long version has better analogies.
Sports fandom is irrational by its nature.
That being said, I said “fuck this team” in December and haven’t really looked back. I’m only here because they have decent nachos.
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I have basically the same picks myself: Wings in six, Hawks in six, Pens in six, Broons in seven. I think Halak and his shot-blockers can steal a game or two, but I wouldn’t bet on more if it was house money. (That being said, when was the last time the Final Four were all Original Six? It’d be neat to see.)
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Answered my own question: 1967, i.e. never in the expansion era.
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Wow. That would be pretty remarkable. Though it’s not really all that surprising that it hasn’t happened yet. Because of the playoff format it would have been impossible between 1968 and 1974. By 1975 the league was already 18 teams and many of those expansion teams had been around long enough to get pretty good.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 29, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
In the modern era it would require a CHI-DET WCF. I belive last year was the first time that happened in forever. One of the two squads has always sucked.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 29, 2010 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions
We had a better chance back when Toronto was in the Central (but not the Norris: three O6 teams in one division made it impossible from ‘82-’93). That being said, Detroit is permanently good like no other team in the expansion era since Trader Sam was taking advantage of desperate expansion GMs, and unless they completely bungle their cap (which is a non-zero possibility, to be sure), Chicago figures to be around for a few years. We’ve got a crack at it, though it’d require more than one Original Six team out East to be any good at some point.
We’ve had a ton of years where there were three O6 teams in the Final Four, but there was always an expansion team stuck in the mix there (in the 70s, usually Philly then later the Islanders; then in the 80s, whichever of Edmonton or Calgary won the Smythe). We also haven’t had an all-O6 final since MTL-NYR in ‘79. I’m not holding by breath, but boy, would that be neat.
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I think there’s a pretty darn good chance of an original six final this season with one team left in each of the series and, IMO, three (but now two with SJ winning last night) of them favoured to win.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Chicago-Boston seems most likely. For some reason, I like Chicago over Detroit this year.
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I actually live in Vancouver and a lot of people here are excited to get another chance at the Blackhawks. I don’t really understand why.
Oh, I do.
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The hope that somebody’ll make Pat Kane look silly (not hugely likely) and somebody’ll make Byfuglien’s nose bleed (painfully unlikely). I’m fairly convinced we’re going to get ground to dust.
by Passive Voice on Apr 30, 2010 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions
The only one I disagree with is San Jose – Detroit. I like the rest of your picks. Though, if Marleau is going to be out for an extended period, the Sharks are screwed.
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Key players for the Sharks are the Zebra Twins. They contributed the big goal tonight, the game winner early in the third.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 29, 2010 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I think both teams are really close and detroit might have an edge. But with home ice, 4 days rest and detroit coming off a 7 game series i think the sharks are slightly ahead(barely). Although now that Marleu is day to day, who knows.
by InThorntonweTrust on Apr 30, 2010 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, that one is pretty close. If you’re not a believer in Howard then I could see you taking San Jose no problem. I do prefer the depth of the Wings over that of the Sharks, especially on defence, but one could disagree there too I suppose.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not a believer in Howard, at all. Still, that Detroit skating lineup is scary-as, even when losing Hossa. And as good as new-Shark-addition Heatley is at finshing his chances I believe he’s got a track record of giving back the other way, which is dangerous if your opposition is Zetterberg or Datsyuk.
One odd thing about the first round, is that the 1, 2, 3, and 5 seeds won in the west, and the 4, 6, 7, and 8 squads won in the east. Polar opposites.
Doesn’t bode well for the eastern champ in the SCF.
Also was a little strange that all 8 series were tied 1-1, then the four western series went to 2-2 while all four eastern ones went 3-1.
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This post from Bruce brought to you by LOST.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 29, 2010 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ve been wondering about what all this means as well, Bruce. You now need to figure out the data and based on it, let us know who is going to win the Cup, so we can all do something more productive instead of watching hockey.
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by HockeyOutsiders on Apr 30, 2010 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m lost, all right. I did think it was mildly interesting that a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and 8 seed survived the first round, and the likelihood of all 8 Game 1 losers bouncing back in Game 2 seemed remote (although that did receive a fair bit of media comment at the time, so pardon me for even mentioning it).
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 30, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to be hyper-critical Bruce. It just reminded me of “The Numbers!” Are you familiar with LOST?
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Nuh-uh. Hockey is my addiction. (As are numbers, I guess.)
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 30, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t watch, but I’m aware of the reference. (One of my weekly podcasts includes talk about Burn Notice, Lost, and Doctor Who, two of which I watch.)
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Like I said the other night – it’s the first time since expansion in which one of each seed advanced.
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Missed that comment, but it sure struck me as passing strange. Doesn’t surprise me it’s a first.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 30, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
If the Eastern champ is Pittsburgh (likely at this point), I think they have a decent shot, depending on who they match up with.
If it’s anyone else, they’re so fucked they’re not even gonna know what hit ’em.
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It also kind of depends on who makes it out of the West. If it’s Vancouver and Boston in the finals, I’d probably make Boston the favourite.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s just weird from a non-narrative POV. Care to explain.
Obviously if Van goes to 7 vs. Chicago and it’s a brutal, physical series as per SOP for the west I can see that based on wear and tear, but straight up based on season stats… I’m curious to hear why you’d think that.
I think that Vancouver’s goaltending advantage in that series is either small or non-existent and I think that Zdeno Chara is a great defender who has a real chance at shutting down the Sedins which means the Canucks would be relying heavily on Kesler for offence. Looking at the team numbers, Boston did a much better job than Vancouver at outshooting with the score tied at even strength and I don’t believe that Vancouver’s superior shooting percentage is a skill that can be counted on. The special teams look close to a wash. It would be a very close series and, as you say, the number of games these guys play and who’s healthy if they both get there will be big factors in deciding the winner so it’s impossible to “bet on” now, but Boston is a very good team. If it ends up being Boston and Pittsburgh in the E.C.F. I would at least consider picking Boston there too.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Cool, that’s an interesting take. I can certainly see where you are coming from with that. I think that those are certainly the factors that would have to come into play for Boston to win. That being said, Vancouver would have home ice advantage, which is telling in the case where you’re relying on one player/pairing to do the shut-down.
That score tied number is really bad for Van, I’ve been wondering how the heck they’ve pulled off a 49 win season with it. Considering their 11 wins after trailing after two I suspect they just didn’t end up playing a lot with the score tied and the sample size may not be good, or there is something else missing in those data points.
Well, Vancouver didn’t exactly blow the doors off when the score wasn’t tied either. The big reason they were able to win so many games while being outshot is the percentages. I think that their good goaltending is largely on merit but not the shooting. And if that comes down (and over the long term it will but in the short term who’s to know), they’re likely to stumble. As for the sample size, it’s 1195 shots on goal (not including blocks or misses). So if we assume about 40 EV shots on average per game (by both teams), we’re looking at the equivalent of a 30 or so game sample. It’s not huge but I think it’s pretty substantial in terms of giving us an idea of team quality.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
….only to let it slip away by choosing the Kings to beat the Canucks. Of course it’s the Canucks. I hate the Canucks.
You, sir, need to hedge your bets. Except probably not this round.
Hilarious. If it comes true, I’m not going to be too happy.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Well… the problem is I don’t like very many teams in the NW. If my other options were the Flames or Avalanche winning then I can’t get too upset.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 30, 2010 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions
One thing about rooting against the Canucks, if they haven’t made me happy recently, they will soon enough.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 30, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I it would be good for a team other than Edomonton to disappoint you, wouldn’t it? And one day, one day! The ’nucks will disappoint you! You will see! mad cackling
In all seriousness, I really find the whole vibe of a bunch of paraplegics laughing at the guy who just might break his leg kind of schadenfreude really strange. I know where it comes from, I just don’t ever have it in the context of sports. There just isn’t enough emotional investment in my (now recovered) paraplegic I suppose.
Sorry for my atrocious humor, i wish I was better at making jokes, because damn the Alberta team fans have been serving up straight lines all week. In any case, I actually like all the NW teams. They used to make for good hockey, and mostly still do, when playing in the division.
My own comment was a joke.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 30, 2010 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions

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