Sheldon Souray Demands A Trade
"I want a trade. I do. Yes, I do want a trade. It’s not a players thing. It’s not a fans thing or a city thing. It’s a management thing. They’ve given up on me, and it’s a two-way street. I don’t talk to anyone (in management) and I don’t expect to when I check out of here. I don’t really need to talk to them. There isn’t anything to say. Management has soured on me, and I’ve soured on them. The fans are great, they’ve accepted me here, I see the jerseys in the stands. I couldn’t have pictured a more opposite vision of what my experience here would be like. What the organization here would be like, overall."
--From Mark Spector's exclusive piece on Sheldon Souray's trade demands.
Souray's trade value just plummeted from "cap-killer" to completely non-existent. Yet another big ticket player ushered in and quickly ushered out, and another with quotes that bring disbelief to the fans. Pronger, Smyth, Pitkanen, Cole, Visnovsky and now Souray -- if this doesn't cause the lights to go on in Rexall HQ, I'm not sure what will. The team is in the tank, the player turnover churns on and on and management stays in place. I wouldn't be surprised if at least two more meal tickets talk trade this summer.
Souray also boldly claims that he was pressured by management to play hurt. He frames this in the context of starting his first season in Edmonton and not being cleared to play. Remember, Souray represented Lowe saving his and the Oilers' reputation after the Pronger and Smyth incidents, and Souray not starting the season because of injury would have been an enormous embarrassment to Lowe.
I don't know the veracity of Souray's statements, but considering the issues that the OIlers have had with sending players onto the ice well before they were ready, or in some cases well before the team actually knew what was wrong with the player, Souray is touching on a sore spot with many fans. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. I'm still extremely interested to know how Steve Staios was cleared to play the next game after a concussion this season - a concussion that ended up sending Staios to the shelf for a couple of weeks after that initial game back.
Souray is very careful to praise Ken Lowe for his diligence and follow-up, and considering the abuse that Lowe takes in the 'sphere, it's interesting that Souray put that defense out there first - effectively cutting off any retreat that management could have made on the communication aspect of his second injury of the season. Tambellini and Kevin Lowe can still claim that Ken Lowe was effectively communicating those updates upstairs and they didn't feel the need to intervene. Though I would expect that since Tambellini was trying to shop Souray at the deadline he would have wanted to be close to the injury and doctor's situation for trade discussions. It also explains how the infection took the franchise by surprise and would explain the hasty press release on deadline day, when the Oilers admitted that Souray was back in the hospital with infection complications.
That he and Tambellini haven't talked since January isn't a surprise in most quarters on the 'sphere. Openness and transparency, even amongst their own employees, is not a priority in the organization. Considering the other issues we've seen in this area, this is plausible.
He also brings up Pronger leaving town with a smile on his face. Souray knew about the Pronger situation well before signing with Edmonton and certainly should have had conversations with him. Bringing the situation up now looks like he's purposefully picking a scab that Lowe just can't get to heal.
One last interesting quote:
"The fans are great, they’ve accepted me here, I see the jerseys in the stands. I couldn’t have pictured a more opposite vision of what my experience here would be like. What the organization here would be like, overall."
Is that a subtle mention of the perception that Edmonton is impossible to handle because of the fan pressures? Is Souray saying that perception is completely wrong, or am I trying to read between the lines to get at something that's not there? If you recall, both Erik Cole and Joni Pitkanen had nice things to say about the room and their teammates, but stopped short of saying much about the organization.
The early reaction was to slam Souray as a whiner and a disruption, but it was pretty obvious that Spector had this piece set to go at season end as he released it a couple of hours after the season was over. My take on that is that Souray asked him to hold off until the season was over so that he wouldn't be a distraction to the team in season. It's pretty clear that he wants to be a distraction to management in the off-season though.
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It surprises me that he said it. The contents of the interview don’t surprise me at all.
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well the part that he was forced to play injured, surprises me. Other than that not much. Also the place where he mentions he was injured, and then went ahead and fought!! wtf was he thinking??
It’s a team that sends out grade 2 concussion victims onto the ice the next game after they get hit
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A great way to get someone killed if ever I saw one.
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And it’s happened multiple times.
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I don’t find it surprising at all though I would use different language (they probably “pressured” him to play, rather than “forced”). The Oilers have built up a culture where a goodly number of their players played through injuries (IMO) somewhat voluntarily. Mike Grier was a fucking beast. Ryan Smyth seemed like he always wanted to come back early. Jason Smith was crazy and he played through ridiculous stuff in Philly too. When Ethan Moreau became captain they trotted out the “fighting with one-arm” story. Even Horcoff and Hemsky didn’t shut down their injuries right away when they were out for the season (Hemsky this year, Horcoff in 2007-08). And so that’s the kind of thing management expects from their leaders and they put on the pressure. Didn’t help Souray at all that he was “the big fish” in the off-season.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 5:53 AM MDT up reply actions
On the downside, the Oilers have 2 3/4 actual NHL defenseman on the roster next year.
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How many assets, guys? Five? I’m thinking five.
by Benjamin Massey on Apr 12, 2010 12:03 AM MDT reply actions
Could have had Matt Niskanen when I told them to trade Souray. But nooooooooooooooooooooo….
Now they’ll be lucky to get Carl Niskanen, Matt’s third cousin that plays ballhockey on Sunday nights.
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But he leads the Ball Hockey League in points, Zona. You really need to do a better job of telling both sides of the story.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Actually, a good ballhockey player may have improved this year’s Oilers.
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From Studly Wonderbomb to Primadona
I guess no one else finds that this article seems like there is a lot of “selective editing” in these quotes or that a lot of Souray’s famed “me first!!!!!!” attitude shines through in all this?
I am willing it to wager that parts of this are true, but I think a lot of this is just Souray being a massive Diva.
via Tencer
In the interest of fairness, I’ve heard that Souray himself skipped out on his exit meeting and autograph signing at the end of last season.
20 minutes ago via web
Dan Tencer’s twitter
That’s not in the interest of fairness. Lowe just called Tencer and told him to tweet that or he was fired.
Getting information from Tencer is like getting it straight from Lowe’s mouth.
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by Derek Zona on Apr 12, 2010 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s beyond paranoid and pessimistic.
We’ve had bad management, there’s not doubt, but Souray also has a history of being a Diva. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. There is 0 need to over-react to news that anyone who has been following the Oilers knew was coming anyways.
When the man changed his list from 8-19 (or w/e it was) it was very obvious what Souray wanted and how desperate he had become to get it.
That’s beyond paranoid and pessimistic.
That Tencer is a mouthpiece? He’s employed by the Oilers. Why would you expect him to have “fairness” in his interest?
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Tencer is an employee of 630Ched. As well every story has two sides, why would Souray or Spector for that matter be interested in fairness either?
If Tencer knew this information for a long time (it is after all last year’s exit interview) why didn’t he report it until today? Did his source suddenly give him the okay? Or maybe it’s new information that came to him via an Oiler source? I wonder why that might have leaked… Dude is definitely a mouthpiece.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 5:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not denying he’s a mouthpiece, of course he is! But lets be honest with ourselves, how many Oiler fans read Tencer’s twitter feed? Very few, if the Oilers were really trying to fire back at Souray, Lowe or Tambo would have said something to a local paper.
The fact that he skipped his exit interview is likely true, and I would say it was a good move on Edmonton’s part last year to not vilify him for it, due to the trade speculation.
However, the question of why would Souray or Spector have fairness in mind either?
Oh, I’m sure that they don’t. I just don’t know why you find Derek’s comment paranoid when it’s almost certainly true that (a) Tencer is a mouthpiece and (b) he very likely got the green light from somebody to say what he did about the exit interview. The Oilers will, I’m sure, address the issue when they do a season debrief after the lottery on Tuesday or Wednesday, which is probably wise. That way, they can see how the public is reacting and massage their response accordingly.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
they can see how the public is reacting and massage their response accordingly
And now, a massage from the Swedish prime minister …
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
That is intentionally massage. Is that not a common idiom?
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Of course, it just reminded me of the old Monty Python segue to nowhere. It was all in how “massage” was pronounced, and followed by sound effects of an actual massage.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Breaking news! Oiler media pounces on player on his way out of town!
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 5:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Sheldon Souray was never an elite player. He was always hurt, a complete bum on the ice, and he ran over a kitten once in the Rexall Parking lot.
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Hell of an interesting article, and honestly I’m not 100% sure what to make of it. But I will say this: any fire that Oilers management takes is deserved, and Souray’s comments about being pressured to play through injury ring true.
That he claims it was “management” rather than the trainers, if true, should be a firing offence.
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by Jonathan Willis on Apr 12, 2010 1:07 AM MDT reply actions
Interesting that he didn’t give this to an Edmonton-based writer.
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Who says that he didn’t? The fact that they didn’t report it doesn’t mean they didn’t have it.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 2:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Excellent point! Where were we on this one!? Imagine the insult to the Oilers if he had given the interview to bloggers.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 5:59 AM MDT up reply actions
He wasn’t comfortable giving the interview in someone’s mom’s basement.
Keep up the great work you’ve done with interviewing prospects, and in a few years you guys just might have an “in” with a couple of actual NHL players. Which would be all kinds of awesome for us interested fans.
Just for the record, my parent’s basement cleans up very nice and I can always toss on my dress pajamas, for any NHL players looking for an interviewer.
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by Jonathan Willis on Apr 12, 2010 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I usually go with my McFarlane third and a pair of clean, untorn underwear. Class it up.
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I reject even the concept of untorn underwear.
by Benjamin Massey on Apr 12, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, you need to have speed holes. Without them, underwear just slows you down.
by despisethesun on Apr 12, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, yeah. After all, blogging is based on having the First Reaction to Everything.
If I wind up going to the NHL draft this summer, my ensemble will be a Cheeto-smeared t-shirt for a band that broke up in the mid-nineties, a pair of rather-too-tight jeans with holes that accentuate my jiggling figure, an unidentifiable odour, and at least seven days of stubble (in spite of being twenty-three years old I cannot grow a proper beard, but at least that means my disgusting blogger stubble is more disgusting and blogger-esque).
Hopefully I will share an elevator with Bob McKenzie, too.
by Benjamin Massey on Apr 12, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
management
Isn’t it about time that the fans go straight to the owners and let them know that management sucks? We’ve had decent enough players come through here to field a competitive team, and we have a big enough budget, but management cannot does not attempt to build a “TEAM”. Instead, it focuses on building an aloof “management”. Sorry, but last time I checked, the Oilers are suppose to be a hockey team, and not a wall street bank.
We’ve had decent enough players come through here to field a competitive team
…and all have left very unhappily.
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I dunno about that. Some have left very happily. The unhappy part was while they were here.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Strange Things Are Afoot At The Circle K
It’s probably a good idea to wait a little bit to see what else comes to light from this before jumping to conclusions, but ineptitude shown by management over the last 4 seasons or so is more than enough for me to believe most of, it not all of what Souray said.
And he made it pretty clear earlier this season that he wanted a trade. Why would he rock the boat like this for no reason?
This was a really interesting interview. A few main thoughts:
1. Oiler management is ridiculous. Not checking in on your players, pressuring them to play injured, letting a situation get bad enough that the player beaks off publicly. There’s a lot of truth in what Souray is saying here and it all makes management look awful.
2. Sheldon Souray is a twat. If you didn’t want to play in Edmonton, you sure didn’t do yourself any favours. The short-sightedness of this interview is kind of unbelievable. It’s also clear that he’s not above twisting the truth. The Pronger reference at the end of the interview applies here for sure and I suspect the “I could have had more money elsewhere” does as well. With Pronger, “management” went out of their way to accommodate his trade request in the off-season after only one year of a five-year deal. I think Pronger was actually pretty happy with management and thought he was treated fairly. So that’s a story he twisted to fit his narrative. I’d say this whole interview is pretty much self-interested assuming that Souray’s primary interest was “getting back at management and maybe getting them fired” as opposed to “getting the hell out of Edmonton”.
3. If this helps to result in someone in Lowe or The Puppet getting fired, regardless of Souray’s motivations, he’s completely vindicated.
Okay, but what about everyone else who left happily? What about all the people who got the hell out of dodge once they realized that no Pronger meant no shot at the Cup in 2007? What about all the player surveys that have put Edmonton DFL or pretty close in terms of desirability? What about all talk we’ve heard of Edmonton being a player-unfriendly organization? What about players turning down gobs of money (Hossa) or trades (Heatley) regardless of management’s pathetic overtures? What about all the guys we’ve seen come back way too soon from injury? Okay, so Pronger’s excuse was his wife (or was it?), which makes him a bad example. What about everyone else? Just because Souray had an interest in vindication doesn’t mean he wasn’t right. Certainly, Souray’s side of the story jibes well with my interpretation of events from afar.
Furthermore, does Souray really care if the Oilers get good return for him? Clearly, the Oilers have shown they haven’t cared about that in the past (see: Smyth, Ryan). Why not take a couple of swipes at them on his way out, if they’re half as irresponsible as he claims?
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Well, the thing is, he used Pronger for a reason. Facts be damned, Pronger was the most famous example and provided the best narrative punch. That combined with the probably-false statement about money make me think Souray is being somewhat dishonest here even if he is right about a bunch of things. As for why he should be concerned about the return, I think it’s somewhat obvious. The example of Smyth seems a bit silly since we know that the Oilers believed Robert Nilsson was a good player. They obviously do care about getting something they like back. If the Oilers feel they can’t get value for him, they just won’t move him. And then he’s stuck in the organization. A couple of swipes on the way out make sense so long as you’re absolutely sure you’re on the way out.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not convinced that the Oilers even tried to get the best deal possible. It sure felt at the time like a, “Hey, look, the goalie’s tossed us an offer that sounds decent. We liked Kenta’s kid, right? Okay, why not, it’s ten to twelve on the East Coast, better move on it if we’re going to.”
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I don’t think that’s accurate.
They’ve had a chubby for Kenta’s kid since 2003. He was no doubt the main part of that deal.
Oh, I’m sure he was the deal-maker. I’m just not convinced there was any shopping around.
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How long is it going to be until someone in the Toronto-based media spins this as “Everyone hates Edmonton”? Even the headline on Sportsnet isn’t very encouraging: “Souray wants out of Edmonton”, not “Souray wants out of Oilers organization”.
Is that a subtle mention of the perception that Edmonton is impossible to handle because of the fan pressures? Is Souray saying that perception is completely wrong, or am I trying to read between the lines to get at something that’s not there?
I think you are reading something that isn’t there. Souray simply juxtaposed two separate statements in my view. First, that the fans were great, and second, that his perception of the organization was not what the reality was.
But, can you guys keep Lowe for a few more years? Pretty please?
I’d like to see a three-way trade of management involving Sutter, Lowe, and Garth Snow. That would be epic.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Yeah, really. Snow seems to have some idea of what he’s doing. Compared to the other two, he’s Al Arbour.
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Well, Bill Torrey.
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New Title: “Sheldon Souray Curb-Stomps Management”
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 10:04 AM MDT reply actions
One interesting thing about this story is that so far TSN has absolutely nothing on their website or from any of their hockey guys on twitter. That seems pretty stubborn to me but I guess they have a “no link to Sportsnet” policy or something.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 10:11 AM MDT reply actions
So they pressured him to play, but who pressured him into fighting when he got hurt that first year?
I hope they keep his sorry ass and put him back in the lineup next season. He’s such a me-first prick that he’s probably doing this to take the load off his shitty season and how he’s basically completely failed to live up to the expectations that came with his contract.
Everyone is convinced Moreau is the cancer in the dressing room… I think it’s this fucking nut.
So what you’re saying is that, while being pressured to play while hurt, Souray shouldn’t have been doing everything he could to help the team win?
by Benjamin Massey on Apr 12, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
No he’s saying you shouldn’t complain if you are asked to play hurt, but none the less go out of your way to pursue potentially injury worsening situations, especially fighting which rarely helps teams win.
Oilers management asking Souray to play hurt didn’t blow out his shoulder in 07, Souray did it to himeslf.
Hey, if management’s already calling him a pussy five minutes after signing the deal, clearly, he’s not seeing an alternative. Besides, if it wasn’t a fight, it would’ve been a routine bodycheck. Point is, they should’ve left well enough alone. It was October, for Christ’s sake.
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How does fighting help you win hockey games?
If I have a sore hand, I’m not going to fight. There are plenty of other ways to contribute in a hockey game, most having a far greater impact than fighting does on helping your team win.
Oh, of course it doesn’t actually help, but there’d a wide perception that it does.
by Benjamin Massey on Apr 12, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I can’t find a reference for the life of me, but I recall reading somewhere that teams that took a major penalty during a game tended to have a slightly higher win percentage. Minor penalties having the opposite effect.
There wasn’t a reason postulated other than getting everyone fired up.
Of course, that’s all hot air unless I can dig that something up, but does it sound familiar to any stats guys?
by eddy the lip on Apr 12, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
No. Not fight-related anyway, since almost all fights involve both teams taking a major.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
And if I’d thought for half a sec, that would have been obvious to me.
Penalties of posting while working…
by eddy the lip on Apr 12, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
And don’t get me wrong, the Oilers manangement has made some stupid decisions in recent years, so they aren’t blameless here.
By the looks of it, both Khabibulin and Souray were signed without any sort of due dilligence (medically speaking) on behalf of the Oilers.
Heads deserve to roll here, but Souray is no saint… not even close.
I assume they knew about Souray’s injury. He was hurt in the Canadiens’ final game of the year and didn’t play through it. I think it’s just a culture thing for them. They’re so accustomed to guys playing through injury voluntarily that when guys like Pitkanen (and apparently Souray) want to wait until they’re 100%, management is baffled.
With Khabibulin… it sure seems like no due diligence was done.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Imagine how much better off this team would be if the Pitkanen trade never took place and he was signed for a term at $4,000,000
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In this whole drama what i dont get is his public demand of the trade. Why did he have to make the demand public? I can see how he could have just shown his unhappiness but beyond that, what was the need?
Potentially, management told him that they would trade him if they got what they considered a decent return. By publicly attacking the organisation, they now have to trade him regardless of the terms. He has burnt the bridges, there’s no coming back.
Of course, if they simply can’t trade him and his contract for the start of next season, do they send him down to the minors? This kind of outburst opens the door to that.
How do you know he didn’t make a private trade request. My view of it, is that he did ask to be traded and they didn’t get it done all year. Now he is making sure that he burns bridges. I realize everyone wants to either brand him a DB or a saint, but he is just a normal guy. Probably said some things he shouldn’t, but basically speaking the truth as he sees it. He wants out of this BS organization. I don’t blame him. Hell, I want out too. Unfortunately I can’t demand a trade of my allegiances.
How easy to you think it is to trade a $5.4 mil cap hit with 3 years left on it? You need a team with cap room and you need a team who isn’t trying to give you a worse contract back. He also didn’t want to go to another Canadian team.
Hey yeah, he got an NTC (good for him), but you can’t demand a trade, give a list of teams you won’t accept a trade to and then expect it to be done in a hurry.
Not only that, but just before the best opportunity to trade him comes along (trade deadline), and he goes and gets hurt by fighting (again).
Yeah, Souray didn’t do himself a lot of favours if his main goal was/is getting out of the organization. I believe the original report was that he’d only accept a trade to something like six teams. Well… that’s not always going to work. I understand him wanting to fight Iginla. It’s not like Iginla is a heavyweight so it wasn’t all that likely he was going to get hurt. I doubt it was any more dangerous than him taking a regular shift.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Iginla’s no heavyweight, but he’s no pushover either, the man can throw down if he has to. That said, if Souray had fought a little smarter, too, he might not have hurt himself the way he did. The guy just went wild, he’s been in enough fights that he should know what he’s doing at least.
by despisethesun on Apr 12, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Souray is pretty good himself. I’m not saying it was a guaranteed win for Souray but I don’t think he should have felt like it was a situation where he was likely to get injured.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
He wasn’t likely to get injured against Byron Ritchie either. Unfortunately, the biggest threat to Souray is Souray himself.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
The two situations aren’t all that similar in terms of risk.. In the Vancouver game, he already had a buggered shoulder, so fighting seems a lot more dangerous. Unsurprisingly, it was his already-injured shoulder that was hurt. On the other hand, the Oilers were also all about “team toughness” that season, so even if it was risky, it’s hard to complain when your guys decide to throw down when you take that narrative.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Souray should never go into a fight thinking he won’t get injured… that’s how he always gets injured.
Granted, he probably won’t get his face caved in against Iginla, but he’s got a history of wrist and shoulder injuries, plus he missed a long time with a concussion this year.
I get guys want to fight their own battles, but sometimes you need to accept the fact that you are worth more (and paid to do more) than 5 minutes in the box.
Well, it’s actually not how he always gets injured. Sometimes he (and others) get injured just playing the game. Was fighting an unnecessary risk for him? Yes, but so was playing the game. Unless he was specifically told not to fight, I don’t really see how it’s all that fair to complain about him fighting since that’s always been a part of his game.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s pretty damn fair to complain that he was fighting if he’s going to sit there and choose to fight after being so hurt that he had to be “forced” to play.
I don’t think we should conflate the two fighting injuries. Was the Vancouver one a poor choice? Absolutely. It was foolish and if that specific incident is the one you’re complaining about I can get on board with that. But that situation is significantly different than the risk he took with Iginla.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 12, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
That is the incident I’m complaining about (mostly).
I still do believe what I said though… when you get paid that sort of money you aren’t paid to fight. The fight with Iginla had nothing to do with helping the team win, it was about personal revenge and that’s almost always a stupid reason to fight.
I get the whole never back down, defend your teammates, etc… But this was avenging a play from months earlier that wasn’t even malicious (it was careless, but I have no doubt that it was completely unintentional).
You’re certainly right about the Iginla scrap being motivated by personal revenge. It definitely wasn’t about the team so it was clearly a selfish play (though the score was so out of hand that it’s not like it was going to hurt the team), especially considering the non-malicious cause of the injury (I agree with you there). That last part actually makes me wonder why he wanted to “get him back” in the first place. I wonder if Souray thought it was intentional.
by Scott Reynolds on Apr 13, 2010 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions
If he had left his wrist guard on, he probably would’ve been fine…
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Jarmoe on the other hand …
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 13, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
And I’m not saying Iginla would have kicked the shit out of him, but it wasn’t a guaranteed win. And again, he absolutely lost his mind in that fight. I would probably have done the same if it was someone who’d hurt me like that, but the point stands. He didn’t fight smart, and that’s what screwed him.
by despisethesun on Apr 12, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
He had 8 fights as an Oiler, and suffered two major injuries. Three if you count the infection as a separate but fight-induced affliction.
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"Never be ashamed of who you are" -- Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 13, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Of those two fights that led to an injury, this was the first where his injury didn’t come from a pre-existing injury, unless the concussion made him too stupid to throw a punch right.
by despisethesun on Apr 13, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Only 2 years left on that cap hit.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Right-o. Misunderstood your initial comment.
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"Never be ashamed of who you are" -- Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Great photo caption.
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Incidentally, my AT prof knows Ken Lowe, has nothing but good things to say about him, but pointed out that there’s an obvious conflict of interest when your brother is the GM. That’s got to be a toxic situation, with Ken trying to protect the boys and Kevin being…well, an undereducated ex-player.
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That’s got to be a toxic situation, with Ken trying to protect the boys and Kevin being…well, an undereducated ex-player.
An ex-player from the Jason Smith tree, who wouldn’t understand the mindset of a Joni Pitkanen in a million years. Lowe played through all sorts of shit to go back out there and lay his body on the line for his team, so that’s what he expects. One playoff run he had a broken scaphoid bone and broken ribs, and he played right on through to the Cup. So call him old school if you like, but at least he’s consistent.
That said, he should be tied to a chair and be forced to watch Patrick O’Sullivan videos all summer.
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"Never be ashamed of who you are" -- Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 12, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions

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