Oilers Prospects Top 25 Under 25 Rankings
by Derek Zona on Mar 5, 2010 8:30 AM MST
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Our top 25 under 25 is done. We ranked them all, with reason, from Cameron Abney to Bryan Young and everyone in between. We were called some names along the way and a few of us had our intelligence questioned. We collectively expose ourselves to the rantings and ravings and questions of our integrity below. We only agreed on one thing - Sam Gagner. After that, it got progressively worse, to the point where our 3rd overall player, Jordan Eberle, had the same voting spread as our 15th overall player, Anton Lander.
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Got a beef with the rankings? Want to argue with one of us? Let us know in the comments section.
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I’d expect Lander and Brule to be higher, Pouliot to be lower
Very surprise to see some lower rankings on Eberle but overall his #3 is probably right
He’s a middling defensive player in junior, he’s small and scouting reports have said that he gets lazy in less iimportant games, and he projects to score 40 points at the NHL level in what is far and away his finest WHL season.
Now, he’s a very good prospect, but that’s why I dropped him below some of the guys with actual NHL results under their belt: because he’s still a question mark.
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by Jonathan Willis on Mar 5, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Whereas a guy like Cogliano we know completely stinks.
by Benjamin Massey on Mar 5, 2010 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Which sucks, because at the same age Cogliano was clear of Eberle.
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by Jonathan Willis on Mar 5, 2010 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Going by NHLE Eberle’s 19 y/o season has been slightly more impressive offensively. Given that we know Cogs shot 27% in his 19 y/o season that difference is probably wider than it appears (assuming Eberle is under that number which seems quite likely to me). Further, Eberle’s performance in the WJC’s is well clear of Cogliano’s at 19. They’re both under-sized. What makes you think Cogliano was ahead of him?
by Scott Reynolds on Mar 5, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Oh good grief. I was a year off when I ran the comparisons.
Shoot.
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by Jonathan Willis on Mar 5, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
I too tended to give full value for NHL results of more-developed players, but I have high hopes for those two first rounders in the pipeline. No offence, Jon, but if I felt obliged to rank Jordan Eberle lower than Patrick O’Sullivan I might have to hang my own jersey in the rafters of Rexall. With me still in it.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Mar 5, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
None taken. It’s getting awfully lonely out here on the ‘Patrick O’Sullivan is a useful NHL player’ limb.
It’s all about past results with him, because this season has been a disaster.
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by Jonathan Willis on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
How so? Sure he was bad in Edmonton but from what I saw and by the numbers he did well in a supporting role with the Kings.
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by Jonathan Willis on Mar 5, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
All I know (much) about from last year was the last quarter when he was here, and in that time he sucked. The drop-off from Cole to O’Sullivan was huge, and the team crashed out of the playoffs down the stretch. Other factors to be sure (Vis injury) but POS certainly wasn’t part of the solution.
Whatever use he might have been to the Kings, he certainly hasn’t been to the Oilers. He’s been here a whole year now and has posted utterly disastrous numbers: 81 GP, 12-24-36, -39. Minus thirty-nine. He’s played maybe 10 good games in that whole time. His contract was the cherry on top that put us in cap hell, and on the ice he hasn’t delivered Thing One that has actually helped the team. He’s reputed to be versatile but he sucks at everything. Offence, defence, hitting, faceoffs, PK, PP … it’s not that he doesn’t get the opportunity, he just does nothing with it.
I know his back story, was wishing him well, and now feel like I’m piling on to some extent, but at the professional level it comes down to this: get it done, son. Or else be getting on down the road.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Mar 5, 2010 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
He’s been good on the PK. And his plus/minus is exaggerated by both skating with a boat anchor and his incredibly bad on-ice save percentage.
That said, he’s been brutal. But we have years of data suggesting he’s a player, and based on those I’d suggest he’ll rebound.
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by Jonathan Willis on Mar 5, 2010 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
He’s been good on the PK.
GA ON/60 (F, min 20 GP, min 1:00 SH TOI/G)
Pisani -6.34
Penner -7.40
Potulny -7.91
Moreau -8.22
Horcoff -8.30
O’Sullivan -10.24
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by Bruce McCurdy on Mar 5, 2010 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
SA ON.60 (F, min 20 GP, min 1:00 SH TOI/G)
Dustin Penner: 40.4
Ryan Potulny: 46.2
Patrick O’Sullivan: 46.4
Shawn Horcoff: 46.5
Ethan Moreau: 52.3
Fernando Pisani: 53.3
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by Jonathan Willis on Mar 5, 2010 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
So, essentially, what you’re both arguing is that Penner is outstanding. He’s gotta be the best all-around player since Messier, right?
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So middle-of-the-road on shots allowed + DFL on goals allowed = “good”?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Mar 5, 2010 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
Very surprise to see some lower rankings on Eberle
Here’s the problem for me on Eberle – what above-average NHL skill does he possess? What can he fall back on when he slumps? When can he key on when his game gets away from him?
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I think Eberle definately has an above average shot. I’m not saying he has the Blessed Wrist Shot of Sakic, but above average. Based on what I’ve seen from him which admitedly is mostly WJs games he also gets himself into the right areas to score. I think between an above average shot and being in the right place at the right time, he’ll be able to suceed.
Is Eberle’s shot really above average at an NHL level? Granted, I’ve only seen him play at most nine games, but never in those nine games did I think that his shot was going to carry him or a team.
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That’s essentially the reason for his high rankings everywhere.
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Well, that and he’s put up really fantastic offensive totals at a young age. Not all big junior scorers become big NHL scorers which I recognize is your point but he’s done a lot more than “be clutch” over his junior career. His 18 y/o season was a bit disappointing but he was very good at 17 and he’s been very good again at 19.
by Scott Reynolds on Mar 7, 2010 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
Fantastic series guys
Really enjoyed reading this.
Thanks, I’m glad there are some people out there reading.
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MPS
I really can’t understand how MPS can be ranked 2nd.. Omark was way better in the same age, and still is..
Pääjärvi has physical skills that far outpace Omark and small players struggle to make it in the NHL. Simply put, Pääjärvi has the size to immediately step into a North American professional league.
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I’m not sure why you think Omark was better at the same age. At 18 in the SEL we have:
Paajarvi – 12-16-28 in 46 GP
Omark – 0-1-1 in 19 GP
So… ?
by Scott Reynolds on Mar 7, 2010 5:40 PM MST up reply actions
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