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On the Jokinen Deal

The second of the Flames two big trades is now confirmedOlli Jokinen and Brandon Prust are headed to the Rangers with Ales Kotalik and Chris Higgins coming to Calgary.  When I discussed the Dion Phaneuf deal I talked about the Flames salary structure and looked especially at how it changed the balance of the current roster for the better.  With this deal, I think it's much more relevant to look at Calgary's salary commitments for next season.  I'll also look at the individuals involved and see how the trade impacts Calgary's current lineup.

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Before I look at how the trade will impact Calgary's salary structure for next season, here are some general guidelines on how I think most teams (should) structure their payroll:

Top 3 Forwards - 27.5%
Middle 6 Forwards - 20.0%
Top 4 Defenders - 27.5%
Goaltending - 10.0%
Bottom 8 Players - 15.0%

Of the four players involved in the deal only Kotalik has a contract that goes beyond this season.  Thus, the Flames are spending 3M in cap space over the next two seasons on Ales Kotalik instead of waiting until the summer when Jokinen's contract expired (or waiting for another trade proposal).  Here's are the Flames' payroll commitments for next season:

Top 3 Forwards - Iginla, Langkow, ??? = 11.50M or 20.5%
Middle 6 Forwards - Hagman, Kotalik, Moss, Glencross, Dawes, ??? = 9.35M or 16.7%
Top 4 Defenders - Bouwmeester, Regehr, Sarich, Giordano = 15.19M or 27.1%
Goaltending - Kiprusoff, McElhinney = 6.37M or 11.4%
Bottom 8 Players - Pardy, ???, ???, ???, ???, ???, ???, ??? = 0.70M or 1.3% 

So at least the payroll still makes sense.  The Flames still have about 3.5 to 4M to spend on a first line winger and 1.5 to 2M to spend on a middle six forward.  It may even be more if the Flames cheap out at the bottom of the roster (something Sutter's been good at in the past).  If Kotalik is worth something approaching his 3M salary, then, this trade makes sense.

So how can Kotalik be effective?  Well, he needs to contribute on a "scoring" third line.  This means a healthy dose of offensive zone draws against the non-elite players (though not necessarily the dregs) on the other team.  This is exactly how Kotalik was used in 2007-08 with the Sabres, one of his most successful seasons statistically.  Kotalik was actually +2 playing five-on-five that season and managed a positive Corsi number as well.  This year with the Rangers Kotalik's role was similar. Tortorella didn't give him the best starting positions (the best starting positions usually went to Gaborik's line), though Kotalik still had a positive faceoff ratio and he was still taking on pretty soft competition.  And the results weren't good.  But this is despite his Corsi being in the middle of the pack (-0.66/60) and really not that bad.  What sunk him was a terrible PDO number (5.4 Sh% and .884 Sv% = 93.8) that resulted in him getting absolutely shelled this year five-on-five.  If his luck balances out and he's put in a similar or better situation to the one he had in New York Kotalik may actually be a positive surprise for Flames fans who seem to be expecting disaster.  He's not a positive difference-maker five-on-five but it seems to me that he can hold his own in the middle of the lineup.

So why would anyone pay him 3M dollars?  Setting aside the fact that no one should have, Kotalik's real value comes on the power play.  He has a good shot and usually plays the point.  Should the Flames decide to use him on the top power play unit (to replace Phaneuf), it could actually save them money on a couple of other contracts since, at least in theory, he'll be taking high point-producing minutes away from Mark Giordano and Ian White.  And there's no reason he shouldn't be used there.  He's been a pretty consistent performer on the power play at around 4 points per sixty minutes for the last three seasons which is a good number for a player on the point. Considering the Flames' struggles on the PP this year, Kotalik should be a welcome addition.  He also brings some value to a team with his play in the shoot-out where he's been very good so far in his career.

The other piece of the deal, Chris Higgins, has really struggled so far this year.  He's been a solid contributor in the past, but I don't think there's and he's still young enough that a return to form isn't out of the question.  The problem for the Flames is that they would need it immediately in order for it to make a difference.

So does this trade make the Flames better today?  I don't think so.  And that's the real kicker.  If Kotalik wasn't going to cover his 3M deal in the future - and he probably won't, though I don't think it's as bad as some others do - you'd at least think the Flames got better today for taking it on.  Olli Jokinen has taken a lot of crap in Calgary this season but the fact is he took on some decent competition, outshot his competition, outscored his competition and scored at a decent rate.  Neither of the guys the Flames got back for him can boast the same.  I can see why Jokinen was thought of as a disappointment but this deal does not spend the 5.5M any better.  It's worse. 

The one potential silver lining for Flames fans is the 0.5M gain in cap space.  This could potentially be very helpful as Sutter looks to improve the team between now and the trade deadline. The trade doesn't look good today, but there could still be another shoe to drop.

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I have to agree here.

The problem that I see with a player like Kotalik is that there’s a range of “completeness” among forwards, with, say, Bertuzzi on the one end and, say, Zetterberg on the other.

Then if you were to come up with a range of “creating more than you give up” or “helping your team win”, and compare that to the range of “completeness” for forwards.

Overwhelmingly I think you’ll find the same players at both ends and a mishmash in the middle.

Kotalik is an incomplete forward. His icetime needs to be heavily managed for him to contribute, and giving him that icetime just takes it away from other incomplete forwards on the roster. And his salary means that there will be more incomplete forwards, because there is less money to spend on someone who can play against anybody.

Ergo, the team is not as good.

by R O on Feb 2, 2010 3:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree that he makes the team worse but I also think that the Flames are actually in a pretty good position to shelter him at EV and then get some value out of him in areas that they’ve been weak (PP and SO). With Iginla, Langkow, Hagman, Dawes, Bourque and Glencross you should be able to fashion two pretty good lines at the top of the roster (when everyone is healthy). And you also have Stajan right now and he can probably step in against seconds if someone goes down or is underperforming. Further, Kotalik isn’t totally useless. He can probably be (at least close to) break-even against seconds or thirds. Too many contracts like this and you’ve got problems but the Flames don’t have any other big overpays among the forwards so far as I can tell and a couple of really nice deals. So that helps.

by Scott Reynolds on Feb 2, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunatley, capability and action are two different things. Iginla and Langkow have played toegether for 7 of 56 games. They dominated 5 of those games, and won 5 of those games (the games won not the same as the games dominated). Sutter split them up for good after a dominant game against Columbus that unfortunately ended in a loss.

Basically what I’m getting at is we have a really shitty coach, and the only way to surmount it is to get as many good forwards as possible. Because Kotalik will face good players, book it.

by R O on Feb 2, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And thus as the problem with Jokinen. A mis-identification of player type. If Sutter had, say, put him in a Bertuzzi-like role similar to last year, Jokinen doesn’t spend the first 3 months of the yar getting his beat in next to Jarome.

Now we have to hope he can actually figure out something similar with Kotalik. But I doubt it.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 2, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eddie Shore hockey coaches are great eh?

Wherefore art thou Kevin Constantine?

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by Derek Zona on Feb 2, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not rating the Higgins/Prust part of the deal very much, that looks more like a salary balance than anything. 2 for 2, $5.75 MM for $5.25 MM. Rangers might not have been able to make it work otherwise.

So the major part is surely Jokinen for Kotalik. Ales II has proven to be a 20-20-40 guy over the last half-dozen seasons, with an increasing reliance on the PP to score those goals. He’s been a very low minus (-1 to -5 every year of his career until this one), and is likely break even or better at evens given he would amass some minuses every year due to shorties against and ENGA, without getting much ice time in the equivalent defensive situations. There’s some value to middle 6-ers who can hold their own, especially if they have other skills that are complementary to the existing roster so that he can fill a couple of needs. Agree with R O that he is not a complete player, so the key is that the guy brings as Kotalik does on the PP (where he can play point as well as wing) and shootout. He’s big, he hits a little bit, he’s been around. Calgary needs help on the powerplay, and Phaneuf’s booming shot just left town. They could do worse.

That said, to have an “undo” button on March 4 and to get Lombardi and their first back probably sounds REAL good to Flames fans just now. The Jokinen gamble can only be considered an epic fail at this point.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 2, 2010 4:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

  • the key is that the guy brings other skills as Kotalik does on the PP *

sorry, bad edit

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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 2, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Jokinen experiment didn’t work but I very much doubt that Kotalik/Higgins is an upgrade on Jokinen/Prust. That’s actually the part I find most confusing about the deal. Sure Jokinen is disappointing but if you move him, at least move him for something that’s going to potentially outperform what he’s done. Kotalik isn’t awful, but he’s not going to do that IMO.

by Scott Reynolds on Feb 2, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Kotalik deal strikes me as a “Kevin Lowe” trade, frankly. As in, a great, big fat gamble with all the risk on the team. “If” Kotalik can be properly managed and “if” he sees the point on the power play and “if” he can play in on scoring line a la his BUF days, he MIGHT be a positive contributor. And his salary is on the books for the next 2 seasons.

If he sticks around, it’s a bad trade. It might work out and sometimes your inside straight on river…but that doesn’t mean you’re playing good poker.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 2, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s not a good acquisition. There’s little chance that he and Higgins contribute as much as Jokinen which makes the whole trade rather odd. I think a lot of those “ifs” or only risky of Darryl and Brent haven’t talked about the player yet. Surely they’ve scouted him and know some of his limitations. No one confuses him for a defensive player so he likely won’t be getting fed the DZ draws and if he gets the top comp. it will be as a complement to others better equipped to handle it (as he was in Edmonton, though admittedly that didn’t work out so well). He might not get a maximally ideal situation like he had in Buffalo, but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t get put in a situation where he can have a reasonable chance to break even. It just seems like Kotalik’s results will lead the coach to Kotalik’s established role if they remain intent on playing him. The PP thing is similar. If they scouted him and traded for him, you’d think they know his area of greatest strength. It’s only an “if” if the Sutters didn’t already answer the question before they traded for him.

I don’t know… it’s a bad trade for the Flames – I wouldn’t have done it if put in their position – but it’s not crippling. A lot of the “questions” should be answered before he plays a game if the Flames have pro scouts. He’s not terrible, just overpaid for what he brings to the table.

by Scott Reynolds on Feb 2, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Olli Jokinen has taken a lot of crap in Calgary this season but the fact is he took on some decent competition, outshot his competition

This actually isn’t true in the strictest sense. Here’s what I mean:

When Jokinen actually was taking on tough competition, he was getting positively shelled. Destroyed. Manhandled. His corsi rating was bottom of the barrel.

Sutter started moving him around the roster and feeding him more favorable circumstances near the end of December. Through most of January, this persisted, with Jokinen taking on mostly 3rd players. HIs corsi rate recovered as a result and his quality of comp fell.

So, the picture you get at a glance is a player who played an okay level of comp all year and got the puck moving forward. But it’s not really true. It’s a mixing of extremes.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 2, 2010 8:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ethan Moreau was the same way last year.

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by Derek Zona on Feb 2, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I suppose I should have clarified. I know he was getting owned by the scoring chances for the first part of the year but that he’s recovered somewhat recently. I guess by decent I mean seconds and thirds and often the second pair on defence. He can’t take on the toughs but he doesn’t need to be hidden like a rookie either. But you’re right, I should’ve given a more nuanced view of his season.

by Scott Reynolds on Feb 2, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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