Canada v Norway Game Day Thread
by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 12:30 PM PST
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After a few days of preamble with minor details like the Opening Ceremonies and competition in fringe sports like the men's downhill, we finally arrive at the meat of the Winter Olympics today, with a long awaited showdown between Canada and Norway kicking off the highest profile team competition. Norway's Thomas Ulsrud will provide a stiff opening match for Kevin Martin and crew, though the front end of Ben Hebert and Marc Kennedy will likely prove difference-makers for Canada, as Martin attempts to avenge his loss to the Nordic country in the gold medal game in Salt Lake City.
I refer of course to the men's hockey tournament. As always, this one is almost certain to get off to an underwhelming start, as the format sees Whales v. Minnows in the early going. So it is today with Russia v. Latvia as well as host Canada v. Norway. Moreover, goal differential is significantly important for later seeding in the tournament, as the Einsteins who run hockey do their utmost to make the underdogs feel welcome. We've seen it in the World Juniors (Canada 16, Latvia 0, shots 66-10) and already in the Olympics women's tourney (Canada 18, Slovakia 0, shots 67-9). I truly hope that tonight's encounter is a little less one-sided than those mismatches which are not exactly a great advertisment for the game or for the home side's sportsmanship. (Yes, I understand play hard no matter who the opponent, but ...)
Recent history actually supports Norway putting up at least token resistance. Canada has faced the Norwegians in the last two World Championships, emerging the victor both times but by respectable scores of 2-1 and 5-1. In Quebec City in 2008 Canada outshot the Norwegians 53-16 but ran into a hot goalie named Pal Grotnes, who slammed the door until Rick Nash scored a powerplay goal on a great solo effort with four minutes left to decide things. Canada had survived three extended 3-on-5s earlier in the third period to keep the game under control at 1-1, but it was another object lesson in the vagaries of international rules and officiating. (Indeed, penalties ultimately killed host Canada in the gold medal game of that tourney.)
In 2009 for whatever reason the Norwegians left Grotnes on the bench and threw the 20-year-old Andrei Lysenstoen to the wolves. The gargantuan Lysenstoen was unable to fill the net despite his 6'4, 238 lb. frame, and was driven to the bench early in the second, trailing 4-1. In came Grotnes to lock the barn door, allowing just 1 goal on 27 shots, thus improving his lifetime Sv% against Canada to a remarkable .963.
Of course Grotnes has yet to face the full force of Canada #1. There were 6 members of the current Canadian team in Quebec City, just 3 in Zurich-Kloten. The team he faces tonight of 22 NHL stars has a total payroll of over $120 MM. The Norwegians include a bunch of guys who have day jobs, including Grotnes himself, who is a carpenter by trade. Not one of them is a current NHLer.
Skaters of interest for Norway include:
- former Edmonton Oiler Patrick Thoresen (pictured up top) who is enjoying a fine season for Salavat Yulaev Ufa in the KHL;
- hardrock defenceman Ole-Kristian Tollefsen, recently cut from the Philadelphia Flyers;
- surprise flagbearer Tommy Jakobsen, a tiny (5'8) 39-year-old defenceman;
- Mats Zuccarello Aasen, a dynamic but even tinier (5'7) young forward who surely will have the distinction of being either the first or the last Olympian in the phone book depending on which surname is listed.
For more on the Norwegians, I recommend Scott's outstanding preview of Group A.
As for Canada, you likely are familiar with those guys already. Here are the line combinations from yesterday's lone pre-tournament practice:
Goal:
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Luongo (starter)
Brodeur (backup)
Fleury (pressbox)
Defence:
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Niedermayer - Weber
Pronger - Boyle
Keith - Seabrook
Doughty
Forward:
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Nash - Crosby - Bergeron
Staal - Getzlaf - Perry
Marleau - Thornton - Heatley
Richards - Toews - Iginla
Morrow
Fortunately, the pressure on Canada to win it all has already been greatly alleviated due to the gold medal already banked by Alex "Good News" Bilodeau in the men's moguls. All gold medals are created equal, right?
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Does Fleury sit in the pressbox, or does he dress? I thought they’d said during the women’s games that all three goalies dress.
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News to me … I guess we’ll find out.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
So far so good … for Norway. They came to play.
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Very few chances for either team is the game plan and they’re executing it very well.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Tons of changes on D. It doesn’t look like they’re playing with set pairs tonight. Sort of weird that you’d pick Pronger and Niedermayer / Seabrook and Keith for their chemistry and then not play them together.
Very.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Patrick Thoresen looked great physically overpowering Doughty.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 4:50 PM PST reply actions
A smurf that can win as physical battle didn’t fit in with the Oilers game plan. I’m still choked about how they screwed up on Thoresen.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Are you saying that Glencross, Thoresen, Torres and Hedja over Nilsson, Jacques, Brule and Staios would make a deifference?
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Don’t forget POS on the B list.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Thoresen has already won two battles of the type POS hasn’t won all goddam season.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Penner – Horcoff – Hemsky
Torres – Gagner – Potulny
Thoresen – Pouliot – Stone
Glencross – Brodziak – Stortini
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Huh. Right decisions make a difference. Though even with that lineup I’d be crying for another center (3) and another RW (2).
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think that lineup would be DFL in the whole league.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
No sir! Though the injuries to Hemsky and Stone would hurt pretty bad. The third line is a bit scary if you’re counting on it for second toughs with Stone let alone Reddox or whoever else you put there.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Lots more cap room on that team to make prudent acquisitions
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Oops
That pass off the end wall by Getzlaf would have been great with touch-up icing
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Yeah, the guys are used to a more lenient icing rule and that’s for sure. It amazed me that there were exactly zero icing calls in the US-Swiss game through the first period.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Luongo’s not the finest puckhandler I’ve ever seen to say the least.
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No kidding, when Raycroft looks like Marty Turco in comparison you have to wonder if that part of his game couldn’t use a bit more work.
Some guys got it and some don’t. BobbiLu has always been a stopper, not a sweeper. The defensive zone will look a whole lot more organized when Brodeur is in there.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
That’s it Pierre, let’s not use our skill but just hammer pucks on goal.
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What a pass by Crosby there
Looked like an Oiler receiving it, not Getzlaf.
I miss Patrick Thoresen. I’m seriously impressed by his play here; I hope he keeps it up, and I hope he gets another NHL job.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:09 PM PST reply actions
The Norwegian penalty kill strategy is interesting: clog up the middle and hope to survive. So far, not a bad strategy, actually.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:10 PM PST reply actions
You talkin’ about the penalty kill strategy at even strength?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Crosby had an excellent period. We need a few other guys to follow suit.
Grotnes’ Sv% v. Canada now up to .968.
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Milbury says time to dump and chase
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If one needs any evidence why McGuire, Milbury, Cherry and their ilk don’t have coaching jobs in the NHL, all one needs do is wait for them to open their mouths. (Which usually doesn’t involve a long wait.) Antediluvian, all of them.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Watching the changes through the game. This is what I have so far (learn your jersey numbers), positions are just forwards and D, no rights and lefts included:
61-87-37 27-06 NZ FO Start
15-19-11 20-22
21-51-24 02-07 NZ FO Start
10-16-12 27-08 OZ FO Start
10-16-12 27-08 NZ FO Start
61-87-37 20-06
11-15-19 20-06
21-51-24 02-22
18-16-12 27-07 NZ FO Start
61-87-37 20-08
15-19-11 02-06
21-24-51 02-06 Shift Ends in TC Penalty
16-37-22-20 DZ FO Start PK
61-37-22-20 Straight to bench on clear for 16
16-10-07-02
11-21-27-08
11-21-27-08 NZ FO
19-87-27-08 End of Penalty
More coming after the break
Looks like a straight rotation of the 7 D.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll throw the rest of this in the post-game. Too much data to spew in just the intermission. As for the rolling… at least we don’t have a Strudwick. And at least the other team’s best player is Thoresen.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Me too. Lots of size, not enough orneriness. At least, not yet.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Beauty hit on Toews there. You wanna rag the puck, son?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
I laughed at that one. He deserved every bit of it. Nice hit from Doughty later on.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
I did too, and yes it was.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
i actually thought it was a good play by toews.I thought he was skating to their blue and then passing back to one of our defenders, but he just stood there….deserved that hit
It was up until that point. He was just trying to kill some time. If he’d been playing the Oilers he would have had three guys trying to stick check him and fish the puck out. The Norwegian guy did it right.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Terrible play by Staal. Does he PK for the ’canes?
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No, not really. Less than one minute per game.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Bergeron was in the box at the time, and he is supposedly our first PK option, but still … I would hope we have some depth in that dept. Gonna need it against the big fish.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll address what guys they used in which situations more in depth in the PGT but you’re absolutely right.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Grotnes looked bad on that one.
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I want some Getzlaf magic. Now that BB is no longer Duck GM I cant pretend to hate Getz anymore. He is actually one of my favorite centers in the league
He’s very very good. Except that he takes a tonne of penalties. But if he can get those out of his game he’ll be one of the top (like very top) players in the league.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Despite the Grotnes mythology, he’s a shockingly average Norwegian goalie.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:47 PM PST reply actions
That should read ‘goalie in the Norwegian league’.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Mythology based on a tiny sample size.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Aren’t they all?
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh no, some mythologies ignore large sample sizes.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, come on, he’s a shockingly awesome Norwegian goalie. Probably one of the best.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Grotnes mythology started with my post above. So it isn’t exactly a Norse myth of long standing.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Myth?! Name five better Norwegian goalies. I dare you.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
Doughty is fabulous.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
I snickered a little when Thoresen dumped him, stole the puck, and had a shot on goal earlier.
He’s a good player, no doubt, but he’s young.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Nice to see you commenting SumOil
Haven’t seen you around much. Been busy with school?
I loved reading week.
I did a degree at the U; working on my 2nd now through Athabasca, so I can work a little more. Not really taking the week off though. You’re in engineering, right?
A history degree at the U. Graduated in ’07.
Now I’m six courses away from a BCom in Accounting. My dad’s a CA. Never really wanted to follow in his footsteps, but I couldn’t think of anything else to do for a career after I decided against grad school.
Plus, now you have a team that might win to cheer for.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Only twenty(ish) more to go! This Olympics are just an oasis in the wilderness. The Canadians did us a favour by not taking any Oilers. Now we can continue to cheer against them when we play Russia or Slovakia.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha….
Actually i am not pissed with the players. I am pissed with the callous attitude of our management. After 4 years of failure they are talking about how we have to be more patient….come one man!!!
Hear hear … you tell ’em, Sum.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
McGuire: “Canada outshooting Norway 11-5 in this period, despite the fact that they had to kill of a 5 on 3”
Gosh I dislike him. Way to sound oh, so proud over nothing there Pierre. It’s almost like Canada has a far, far more talented hockey team.
I hate Pierre so much.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately, no he can’t. He’s genetically wired to flap his gums.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
After the first goal he said “No more Mr. Nice Guy Canada!” despite the fact that it was a pretty routing shot from the slot, as though some great and heroic effort were involved.
Idiot.
The funniest part is, IIRC, that McGuire’s American.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
I had no idea that he was American.
Pandering to his audience, I guess. But he’s pretty much intolerable for me.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Well that was a better period.
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Embarrassment of riches
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
They’ve started Pronger at times on the PP. They’re experimenting quite a bit this game.
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Exit one shockingly awesome Norwegian goalie, enter another. The kid has put on 9 pounds in the last year. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a 247 pound goalie before.
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So how come Pierre isn’t complaining that Sid didn’t shoot that time?
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Principe > McGuire. I actually like Principe’s schtick; he knows his role and he’s good at it.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Stupid Crosby
Why does he pass?
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 6:33 PM PST reply actions
“That’s tap to tape… to tape, and eventually to tape again, to tape to net!”
Lord how I wish I were making that up.
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by Jonathan Willis on Feb 16, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
How I wish you were too.
Especially considering the poetry on the ice that was juxtaposed with that “commentary.”
Like Laurence Olivier performing Macbeth with Slipknot performing in the background.
Looks like Iginla might have already got the bump to Sid’s line with Nash. Scary trio.
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Even before the roster was announced, Many analysts had that as our top line. I dont know why Bergy was picked to be there. I think Bergeron is better used as a center
Yeah, Bergeron is one of the top face-off guys on the squad, and so is Sid. Bergeron is kind of the ideal 13th F, a RH faceoff guy, a PK guy, a versatile guy …
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s a nice opening win, for sure. Lots of firepower on this club.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 16, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
And they ran up the score in the third just like they needed to. Hope is alive and well for the #1 seed!
by Scott Reynolds on Feb 16, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
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