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Canucks' Prospect Cupboard Nearly Empty

We've talked about how the NHL rewards failure by giving the best draft picks to the worst teams, and punishes the teams that actually make an effort to get to the second season.  The Vancouver Canucks are an example of neither - the Canucks have made the playoffs seven times in the last ten seasons, but the Canucks are a notoriously bad playoff team because they've been unable to advance beyond the second round since 1995.    Their prospect system reflects those results.  Hockeys Future ranks the prospect pipeline 22nd in the NHL, and unless the Canucks' two best prospects kick into gear, that ranking is going to fall in the near future.

One useful tool to measure the depth of Vancouver's system is Gabriel Desjardins' NHL Equivalency.  Gabe's methodologies are described on his translations page:

One way to evaluate the difficulty of one league relative to another is to examine the relative performance of players who have played in both leagues.  Players rarely play significant time in two leagues in the same year, but they often play in one league in one year and in another the next.  As long as a player’s skill level is approximately constant over this two year period, the ratio of his performance in each league can be used to estimate the relative difficulty of the two leagues.

After the jump, we'll look at the NHLE numbers for the Vancouver prospects.

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Player NHL PPG NHL82 G NHL82 A NHL82 P
Anton Rodin 0.416 4 30 34
Darren Archibald 0.350 17 11 29
Alex Friesen 0.308 11 14 25
Sergei Shirokov 0.303 9 16 25
Steven Anthony 0.300 9 16 25
Cody Hodgson 0.293 15 9 24
Kellan Tochkin 0.290 12 12 24
Billy Sweatt 0.273 7 15 22
Jordan Schroeder 0.229 7 12 19
Taylor Matson 0.182 11 4 15
Mario Bliznak 0.172 5 9 14
Ilja Kablukov 0.166 8 5 14
Eric Walsky 0.128 3 7 10
Aaron Volpatti 0.070 0 6 6
Stefan Schneider 0.037 3 0 3
Matt Butcher 0.000 0 0 0
Prab Rai N/A - Back Injury





Player NHL PPG NHL82 G NHL82 A NHL82 P
Adam Polasek 0.164 2 11 13
Jeremy Price 0.154 2 11 13
Evan Oberg 0.110 7 2 9
Chris Tanev 0.091 1 6 7
Peter Andersson 0.035 0 3 3
Sawyer Hannay 0.031 0 3 3
Yann Sauve 0.000 0 0 0
Taylor Ellington 0.012 0 0 0
Patrick McNally Equivalency not available

 

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by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 26, 2010 2:05 PM MST reply actions  

Bruce

How many times do I need to tell you. You need to stop hanging out with this guy! He’s dragging you down!

by Beantown Canuck on Dec 27, 2010 6:19 AM MST up reply actions  

(you’re gonna wanna fix the typo in the headline before this gets linked to on NM.)

jesus, i don’t really pay attention to our prospects, but i didn’t realize it was this mediocre. derek, any idea how hodgson’s historic NHLE compares to couture’s? they strike me as cosmetic comparables.

by Passive Voice on Dec 26, 2010 2:33 PM MST reply actions  

"any idea how hodgson's historic NHLE compares"...

I think you are asking this innocently, but, boy, could this comment be read with pointed sarcasm, and still be right on the money.

I think we could expand on PV’s question and ask what number of those prospects have just started their first season in the AHL, thereby giving a fairly small and perhaps not yet significant sample size? Also, are Kevin Connauton and Lee Sweatt not “prospects” of the Canucks, or does their status as the top two offensive dmen in Manitoba disqualify them?

Otherwise, thanks for the analysis!! 0_0

by antro on Dec 26, 2010 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you are asking this innocently, but, boy, could this comment be read with pointed sarcasm, and still be right on the money.

i do believe you lost me.

by Passive Voice on Dec 26, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions  

he’s saying you could either be making a sarcastic quip or an innocent inquiry. Regardless of your intention, the question is exposing the bias in zona’s mathomatic.

by Wisp on Dec 27, 2010 2:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Just love how the math always seems to support whatever negative derek opines about the Canucks.

You would almost think he did not like the Vancouver team!. ;-)

Its amazing. Beginning of the season, last summer, the hockeyfutures guys had the Canucks system as 8th, and now they are 22nd?

OK.

Enjoy the game tonight fellows… happy holidays to you as well….

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, ""After some of those plays you just look down the bench and everyone's got the same look on their face," Tanner Glass said. "It's like, 'Wow, we've got a great seat for that one.'" on watching the Sedinery.12/24/10

by vancitydan on Dec 26, 2010 4:43 PM MST reply actions  

Isnt Hodgson injured?

by SumOil on Dec 26, 2010 5:27 PM MST reply actions  

So is Schroeder.

No mention of either Sweatt brother in the HF blurb, or several others too numerous to mention, at varying degrees of their careers.

Not the same as the guys you get for finishing near the bottom, but most Nuck fans are happy with the system.

Was pretty surprised to see that HF has them at 22, but its not like their opinion makes as much difference. The team and staff are happy with them…happy enough that we could trade our 1st this year.

Its all good. Teams at differing places in their development and all…

Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, ""After some of those plays you just look down the bench and everyone's got the same look on their face," Tanner Glass said. "It's like, 'Wow, we've got a great seat for that one.'" on watching the Sedinery.12/24/10

by vancitydan on Dec 26, 2010 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I suppose the oil needs to feel victorious about something, given their current situation. not really an accurate post, discounting key players and information to prove a point.

haters gonna hate!

by Wisp on Dec 27, 2010 2:51 AM MST reply actions  

Also, I feel guilty for dissing an article on another teams blog, but given the topic, I think you can forgive a canuck fan for wanting to offer his two cents.

by Wisp on Dec 27, 2010 2:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry

where is Kevin Connauton? Offensively minded D man off to a pretty good start to his AHL career as a 20 year old. If you are going to criticize the lack of offensive D men you may want to first include our top offensive D man prospect?

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by Section 312 on Dec 27, 2010 11:40 AM MST reply actions  

Lee Sweatt isn’t in there either who is our 2nd leading scorer on defense…

by marcness52 on Dec 27, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Well I can see now why

they think our cupboard is bare. They didn’t bother to do any research to see what’s actually in our cupboard.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Dec 28, 2010 2:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Haters gonna hate

Why the f**k would I want a caravan thats got no wheels?

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Dec 27, 2010 7:22 PM MST reply actions  

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