Canucks' Prospect Cupboard Nearly Empty
We've talked about how the NHL rewards failure by giving the best draft picks to the worst teams, and punishes the teams that actually make an effort to get to the second season. The Vancouver Canucks are an example of neither - the Canucks have made the playoffs seven times in the last ten seasons, but the Canucks are a notoriously bad playoff team because they've been unable to advance beyond the second round since 1995. Their prospect system reflects those results. Hockeys Future ranks the prospect pipeline 22nd in the NHL, and unless the Canucks' two best prospects kick into gear, that ranking is going to fall in the near future.
One useful tool to measure the depth of Vancouver's system is Gabriel Desjardins' NHL Equivalency. Gabe's methodologies are described on his translations page:
One way to evaluate the difficulty of one league relative to another is to examine the relative performance of players who have played in both leagues. Players rarely play significant time in two leagues in the same year, but they often play in one league in one year and in another the next. As long as a player’s skill level is approximately constant over this two year period, the ratio of his performance in each league can be used to estimate the relative difficulty of the two leagues.
After the jump, we'll look at the NHLE numbers for the Vancouver prospects.
| Player | NHL PPG | NHL82 G | NHL82 A | NHL82 P |
| Anton Rodin | 0.416 | 4 | 30 | 34 |
| Darren Archibald | 0.350 | 17 | 11 | 29 |
| Alex Friesen | 0.308 | 11 | 14 | 25 |
| Sergei Shirokov | 0.303 | 9 | 16 | 25 |
| Steven Anthony | 0.300 | 9 | 16 | 25 |
| Cody Hodgson | 0.293 | 15 | 9 | 24 |
| Kellan Tochkin | 0.290 | 12 | 12 | 24 |
| Billy Sweatt | 0.273 | 7 | 15 | 22 |
| Jordan Schroeder | 0.229 | 7 | 12 | 19 |
| Taylor Matson | 0.182 | 11 | 4 | 15 |
| Mario Bliznak | 0.172 | 5 | 9 | 14 |
| Ilja Kablukov | 0.166 | 8 | 5 | 14 |
| Eric Walsky | 0.128 | 3 | 7 | 10 |
| Aaron Volpatti | 0.070 | 0 | 6 | 6 |
| Stefan Schneider | 0.037 | 3 | 0 | 3 |
| Matt Butcher | 0.000 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Prab Rai | N/A - Back Injury | |||
| Player | NHL PPG | NHL82 G | NHL82 A | NHL82 P |
| Adam Polasek | 0.164 | 2 | 11 | 13 |
| Jeremy Price | 0.154 | 2 | 11 | 13 |
| Evan Oberg | 0.110 | 7 | 2 | 9 |
| Chris Tanev | 0.091 | 1 | 6 | 7 |
| Peter Andersson | 0.035 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
| Sawyer Hannay | 0.031 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
| Yann Sauve | 0.000 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Taylor Ellington | 0.012 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Patrick McNally | Equivalency not available | |||
- The Canucks have one player with an NHLE of 30 points or better, Anton Rodin. In comparison, the Oilers have five: Curtis Hamilton, Ryan Martindale, Linus Omark, Anton Lander, Robby Dee. The Maple Leafs have four: Matt Frattin, Greg McKegg, Josh Nicholls, Nazem Kadri.
- The Canucks have four more players with an NHLE of 25 points or better: Darren Archibald, Alex Friesen, Sergei Shirokov, and Steven Anthony. The Oilers have three: Tyler Pitlick, Toni Rajala, and Martin Marincin, The Maple Leafs have none.
- Neither of the Canucks' highly-regarded offensive prospects, Cody Hodgson or Jordan Schroeder, have a noteworthy NHLE, but Hodgson is having a much better season since November began.
- There is little to talk about on the blueline here. The Canucks may have some defensive guys on their way, but there is little offense to speak of. The Oilers, meanwhile, have four defensemen with NHLE values of 18 or better: Martin Marincin, Brandon Davidson, Jeff Petry and Jeremie Blain.
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How many times do I need to tell you. You need to stop hanging out with this guy! He’s dragging you down!
by Beantown Canuck on Dec 27, 2010 6:19 AM MST up reply actions
(you’re gonna wanna fix the typo in the headline before this gets linked to on NM.)
jesus, i don’t really pay attention to our prospects, but i didn’t realize it was this mediocre. derek, any idea how hodgson’s historic NHLE compares to couture’s? they strike me as cosmetic comparables.
"any idea how hodgson's historic NHLE compares"...
I think you are asking this innocently, but, boy, could this comment be read with pointed sarcasm, and still be right on the money.
I think we could expand on PV’s question and ask what number of those prospects have just started their first season in the AHL, thereby giving a fairly small and perhaps not yet significant sample size? Also, are Kevin Connauton and Lee Sweatt not “prospects” of the Canucks, or does their status as the top two offensive dmen in Manitoba disqualify them?
Otherwise, thanks for the analysis!! 0_0
I think you are asking this innocently, but, boy, could this comment be read with pointed sarcasm, and still be right on the money.
i do believe you lost me.
by Passive Voice on Dec 26, 2010 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
Just love how the math always seems to support whatever negative derek opines about the Canucks.
You would almost think he did not like the Vancouver team!. ;-)
Its amazing. Beginning of the season, last summer, the hockeyfutures guys had the Canucks system as 8th, and now they are 22nd?
OK.
Enjoy the game tonight fellows… happy holidays to you as well….
Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, ""After some of those plays you just look down the bench and everyone's got the same look on their face," Tanner Glass said. "It's like, 'Wow, we've got a great seat for that one.'" on watching the Sedinery.12/24/10
So is Schroeder.
No mention of either Sweatt brother in the HF blurb, or several others too numerous to mention, at varying degrees of their careers.
Not the same as the guys you get for finishing near the bottom, but most Nuck fans are happy with the system.
Was pretty surprised to see that HF has them at 22, but its not like their opinion makes as much difference. The team and staff are happy with them…happy enough that we could trade our 1st this year.
Its all good. Teams at differing places in their development and all…
Nuck’s Misconduct Reverend/ Church of the kesLORD, ""After some of those plays you just look down the bench and everyone's got the same look on their face," Tanner Glass said. "It's like, 'Wow, we've got a great seat for that one.'" on watching the Sedinery.12/24/10
I suppose the oil needs to feel victorious about something, given their current situation. not really an accurate post, discounting key players and information to prove a point.
haters gonna hate!
Sorry
where is Kevin Connauton? Offensively minded D man off to a pretty good start to his AHL career as a 20 year old. If you are going to criticize the lack of offensive D men you may want to first include our top offensive D man prospect?
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by Section 312 on Dec 27, 2010 11:40 AM MST reply actions
Well I can see now why
they think our cupboard is bare. They didn’t bother to do any research to see what’s actually in our cupboard.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
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by Section 312 on Dec 28, 2010 2:27 AM MST up reply actions
Haters gonna hate

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