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CHL Prospects Update - Year To Date Stats

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The Central scouting released their preliminary rankings today. This season around, they have changed their format by dividing the players by league rather than just by nation where the player is playing. I think this is perfect time to put up the year -to-date totals of prospects we have been statistically tracking. 

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As usual, ZPG is Zero point games. Players in black are draft prospects for the upcoming draft. Players in copper are Oiler prospects. Players in red are 1st round draft picks from previous draft and those in blue were drafted in 2009.  Charts are after the jump.  First up are the QMJHL and OHL prospects, followed by the WHL prospects. All points are updated to 14th November 2010. 

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Some thoughts:

 

  • Just last week, Don Cherry made a very bold statement stating that he believes Ryan Murphy would go 1st overall. Murphy is a dynamic skater with a great talent, however his size will prohibit him from even top 5. Central scouting has actually over compensated fro size by listing Murphy as their 8th best prospect from Ohl. I have to ask them whether they have ranked him so low just to make headlines. I could have accepted him to be after Landeskog and maybe even Doug Hamilton, but 8th is outrageous for any ranking that has come out 2 months into the season. They are essentially labeling him as a late 1st rounder. This is a guy who is top 10 in Ohl scoring and is on pace for 100 point season by a D-man! 
  • Ryan Murphy is not the only point of contention in the OHL rankings. Two other players are ranked too low- Alexander Khokhlachev and Shane Prince. As you can see Khokhlachev has been a very good forward in the league. He has been consistently good and has the one of the least ZPG amongst the prospects listed in the 1st chart. Shane Prince is currently 3rd in the Ohl scoring. Doritogrande has written a very detailed report on the player and can be read here. One thing is common between all these players and that is the lack of size and CSB has docked off a lot of points because of it. 
  • It was widely been considered a 3 horse race between Coturier, Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson for the 1st overall, but I now believe that Landeskog and Rattie should also be mentioned in that list. Those two have been absolutely destroying the league they are playing in. I have been waiting for Rattie to slow down but he hasnt so far. Also most of the points for Hopkins has been on the PP and his EV production has been underwhelming as has been Couturier's offense in general. 
  • Moving onto Oiler prospects, the 2010 draft class really stands out. Ryan Martindale, Martin Marincin and Curtis Hamilton have been completely outstanding. Martindale seems to have found consistency in his game and is top 10 in scoring in the Ohl. If one looks at the WHL chart, Hamilton has gotten points at EV, PP and SH. He is one of those 2 way wingers who looks to have enough scoring so as to have an NHLcareer as a top 6 winger. Marincin is the biggest surprise of the season. The book on him was a shut down guy, but he is showing a lot of offense. My theory is that when he was playing in Slovakia, he was playing against men and losing games in a blowout. I think there he was restricted to staying in the d-zone as any mistake would have proved to be costly. In the WHL, the level of competition is not as difficult and he has adapted very well. Unfortunately same cannot be said of Pitlick who has had some adjustment issues so far.
  • Not to beat a dead horse, but the Cameron Abney pick looks terrible. Even the famous Zorg had much more offense on his junior days. Right now i wouldnt expect Abney to be even half as good as Zorg as a Pro. If the Oilers havent signed him yet, I think they should seriously consider not doing it. 
Poll
Who would you like to pick as the 1st overall pick at the 2010 draft?
Sean Couturier
83 votes
Ryan Hopkins
19 votes
Adam Larsson
109 votes
Ty Rattie
3 votes
Gabriel Landeskog
15 votes

229 votes | Poll has closed

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man, Huberdeau, Landeskog and Rattie are laying waste at ES (at least compared to your other selections here).

by Passive Voice on Nov 17, 2010 12:07 AM MST reply actions  

that is one of the reasons I am starting to believe that they should be in the conversation of potentially getting in the top 3. Ryan Hopkins has been very underwhelming at EV and will need to be better

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by SumOil on Nov 17, 2010 7:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Unless his EV scoring improves substantially, I’d be staying the hell away from RNH.

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 18, 2010 5:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed Scott. If we are picking out of the top 2, I will seriously consider Landeskog or Rattie at this moment

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by SumOil on Nov 18, 2010 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

It would be interesting to know his splits for last season to see if this is a trend, or something new this year. Maybe that’ll be something to do when I’m running low on ideas!

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 19, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see if he slides at all leading up to the draft. If so, maybe teams are thinking like JW and yourself. If not, it’s not part of their work up.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 19, 2010 6:58 PM MST up reply actions  

This is why we all love Landeskog!

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by Derek Zona on Nov 17, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

and there’re a lot of nice-looking orange-highlighted lines on there.

by Passive Voice on Nov 17, 2010 12:32 AM MST reply actions  

Adam Larsson

18GP / 0 G / 4 A / 4P / 31PM

It’s a given that the Swedish elite league is better than the CHL, but these numbers are a bit under whelming for guy who seems to be the front runner for first overall.

by Matt.N on Nov 17, 2010 5:50 AM MST reply actions  

I think so too. Especially for a guy said to have a higher ceiling than Hedman, his numbers are underwhelming and Hedman still went 2nd overall. Furthermore, both Couturier and Hopkins are not really dominating their respective leagues as much as some others and that is why I believe that the 1st overall is not a 3 player race any more.

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by SumOil on Nov 17, 2010 7:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Couturier and Hopkins are not really dominating their respective leagues as much as some others

I don’t watch as much QMJHL as I do WHL but RNH is certainly a big standout player on a Red Deer team that’s good, but not great. The Rebels essentially have established their whole offense around RNH because of a lack of great supporting cast, so other teams cue on him, which helps to explain the lack of production at EVS. Where as with Rattie in Portland other teams have to defend Johansen and Niederieter as well and that opens up a lot of space for the younger and less profiled WinterHawks.

From everything I’ve read and seen RNH, Courturier and Larsson, despite their lack of production are still the BPA’s, although there is lots of time and this could certainly change by the draft next June.

That said: Draft RNH he’s the most dynamic of the bunch and the one most likely to find a second gear when he puts on more muscle.

by AdR23 on Nov 17, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Here is how I see RNH. He is in a similar situation as Seguin was last season and he was a ppg player on EV.
So when I see that he isnt even a .5 ppg and not scoring a lot of goals, I think that is a deterrent esp for a 1st overall. That said you do seem fairly confident that the production will come and I hope you are right.

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by SumOil on Nov 17, 2010 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Amen to that.

Elite junior players don’t get shut down period at even strength, except perhaps against elite junior opposition. That and assists are mostly worthless. You have to see even strength goal production during the regular season.

Right now RNH is Robbie Schremp re-incarnated.

by godot10 on Nov 17, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Right now RNH is Robbie Schremp re-incarnated.

I guarantee you are the first person to say that and I’m nearly certain the only people have the conversation questioning Nugent-Hopkins’ ranking are in these comments.

Interesting.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 20, 2010 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I dont think RNH is like Robbie Schremp

First of all his offense is much higher than that of Schremp also there donot appear to be any skating or attitude issues.
That said, it is no longer top 3 and the rest.

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by SumOil on Nov 20, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Kuhnhackl

Anyone notice Kuhnhackl starting to tear up the O?

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by Derek Zona on Nov 20, 2010 12:28 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah….it took him some time but he is doing very well now

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by SumOil on Nov 20, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

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