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Tom Renney's Rangers - Oiler Fans Are Jealous

Since his arrival in Edmonton, Tom Renney has confounded and astounded Oiler fans.  He was known as a tactical coach in New York, his Rangers were carefully managed to ensure his best players were put in the best situations to perform.  He matched lines, matched pairings, managed zone starts and ran a wonderfully effective penalty kill.  The Rangers were a possession machine under Renney.  Renney developed young players slowly but his methods were effective, much like Craig MacTavish in Edmonton.  In Edmonton, it's a whole different story.  Renney isn't matching lines or pairings and he's paying no attention to zonestarts and the penalty kill is a mess.

When Renney was named as an associate coach, confidence among fans was high. In our roundtable before last year, we asked our respondents about the strength of the team.  The near-unanimous answer was defense, but I went with coaching:

If they work well together and understand their strengths and weaknesses as a duo, the biggest strength for this team is coaching.  In Quinn, the team gets a guy that forces star production out of his stars and gets his role players to run through walls for him, but not so much produce.  Renney is not a motivator, though he's been able to coax production out of sullen stars and uses his role players in order to maximize effectiveness.  Quinn is not a tactical master and likes old-time hockey in a way.  Renney is a fantastic tactician that knows how to use matchups and protect his faults.  Quinn employs a hard style with a strong forecheck.  Renney is a penalty kill wizard.  If these two can make this relationship work, the Oilers will have their most well-rounded bench presence since...arguably ever.

Phew.  Thank goodness threw in that qualifying "if".  It didn't work out that way however.  Quinn handled tactics and matchups and Renney handled the defense.  The Oilers ended up being one of the weakest tactical teams in recent NHL history and the defense collapsed under Renney.

I was just as confident in Renney's abilities when it came to player development:

Ladislav Smid is going to have a breakout year.  Though the management of his development has been less than stellar, Smid has 200 games under his belt and he's only 23.  Defensemen take so much longer to develop, but Smid is going to get a real sweetheart break because he gets to work with Tom Renney.  For an example of what Renney can do, look no further than Daniel Girardi of the Rangers.  Smid is bigger, has a better pedigree, more skills and more experience at the same age.  Renney turned Griardi into one of his reliable matchup guys and one of his two stalwarts on the penalty kill.  I suspect Smid is in for a rocky start to the season as he learns what Renney wants him to do - but his second half should be a revelation.

There was very little in the way of visual cues last season in player development and this season has been such a mess that it's impossible to tell which players are moving in which direction.

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Renney's success in New York was predicated on protecting players from tough assignments and giving the best zonestarts to his best offensive players.  We have two years of statistics during Renney's time in New York from behindthenet.ca.  Using that data, we can see that Renney made sure to send out his fourth line, consisting of Fredrik Sjostrom, Blair Betts, Colton Orr, for defensive zone starts whenever possible, but judging by that line's qualcomp, he also managed those faceoffs well.  His fourth line likely started in their own end against other third and fourth lines.


2007-2008
2008-2009

Zonestart Qualcomp
Zonestart Qualcomp
Blair Betts 13/14 11/14
13/13 12/13
Colton Orr 12/14 13/14
12/13 13/13
Fredrik Sjostrom 14/14 12/14
11/13 11/13

 

Sending the fourth line out for the tough zonestarts allowed Renney to send Jaromir Jagr out for the easy faceoffs and he was still able to protect his young forwards.  Ryan Callahan and Brandon Dubinsky got both easy faceoffs and easier opponents.


2007-2008
2008-2009

Zonestart Qualcomp
Zonestart Qualcomp
Ryan Callahan 9/14 14/14
4/13 5/13
Brandon Dubinsky 2/14 8/14
9/13 6/13

 

George Ays at Blueshirt Banter profiled the progress of both Dubinsky and Callahan in a microstat analysis earlier in the year.

Renney also broke in defenseman Marc Staal.  In 07-08, Staal got second-pairing zonestarts and third-pairing competition.  In 08-09, Renney managed his zonestarts much more closely, but gave him the toughest assignments.


2007-2008
2008-2009

Zonestart Qualcomp
Zonestart Qualcomp
Daniel Girardi 5/8 3/8
5/7 3/7
Marc Staal 3/8 5/8
6/7 1/7

 

Renney even had a year of Jason Strudwick in 07-08.  Note that Renney gave him the second easiest zonestarts on the Rangers defense and gave him the easiest matchups on the team.  In Edmonton last year, Renney gave Strudwick the second hardest zonestarts and lower-half competition.  Renney's management of Strudwick indicates that he thought Strudwick got better while getting older and moving to a more difficult conference.


2007-2008
2009-2010

Zonestart Qualcomp
Zonestart Qualcomp
Jason Strudwick 2/8 8/8
6/7 5/7
Taylor Chorney - -
7/7 3/7

 

Even more troubling, Renney sent Taylor Chorney out for the toughest zonestarts and gave him-second pairing competition.  Renney managed the rookie Chorney like he was defensive stalwart Marc Staal in his second year.

This season has been no better.  Except for blowouts, lines and pairings are rolled over the boards with no concern for matchups of defensive zonestarts.  The question remains - what is going on with Renney right now?  What happened to that card sharp from New York?  When can we expect the Oilers to implement tactics and strategies fit for an NHL team?

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I found this article about the Renney Rangers PK

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2009/5/18/876786/penalty-kill-perfection-or-close

Derek,

Any chance you can get the author of this post to comment about the successful Ranger PK strategy vs. the Oilers debacle?

by Matt.N on Nov 14, 2010 8:05 AM MST reply actions  

Apparently the Rags used the "diamond" the year they led the league in PK%

from the article Matt.N linked:

The top Penalty Killing forwards were obviously Blair Betts and Fredrik Sjostrom, who did a great job running the top part of the diamond for the Blueshirts.

Interesting.

Having Lundqvist in goal is certain to help.

His PK SV% looks like it was .913 which is ludicrous.

by Woodguy on Nov 14, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/2/20/1310402/trade-target-brandon-dubinsky-c-nyr

Dubinsky has also been recognized as the Rangers best penalty killer over the last two years, but a closer looks reveals that he’s riding one heck of a lucky streak when killing penalties. During the 2008-2009 season, Dubinsky averaged 59 seconds per game on the penalty kill, 6th most on the Rangers. He played 80 short-handed minutes for the season and during that time, the Rangers gave up…one goal. It’s an amazing number, especially considering that the Rangers scored two goals in those 80 minutes. Dubinsky’s GAON/60 was a microscopic .74 – mind-bogglingly low. Dubinsky had a bit of help in that department, as his penalty kill save percentage while on the ice was .982, six points higher than the next highest Ranger, Chris Drury. In 2009-2010, Dubinsky is averaging 2:12 per game on the penalty kill, third most on the Rangers, and his GAON/60 is 3.88, not nearly as impressive as last season, but still an amazing number in it’s own right. The Rangers have given up only seven power play goals with Dubinsky on the ice. His SVPCTON this year is .901, second highest on the team and still above the norm for standard NHL penalty kills.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 14, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

"Renney's success in New York..."

I don’t think success and the New York Rangers belong in the same sentence. Exactly what success would we be talking about here?? I was under the impression that Renney was hated in New York.

by dewman8810 on Nov 14, 2010 1:16 PM MST reply actions  

That’s not entirely true. The majority would have much preferred Sather get the ax than Renney at the time.

There were some that thought Renney had proverbially “lost the room,” but they made the playoffs during Renney’s entirety, and missed when he left.

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by George E. Ays on Nov 14, 2010 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Sather is never going to get the ax

But Renney did a fine job carving our his own little hole in pergatory.

First of all, the problem for Rangers fans is the idea of making the playoffs should serve as some sort of benchmark of success. Renney’s job was to get the team in playoffs (an average performance in league where over half the teams qualify. He did it by dumbing it down, playing negative hockey, doing things like sitting on 2-1 deficits in the hope that he could get the “first point” and Lundqvist would get him the second. He started losing players early, starting with Jagr, who had his own gameplane with the Renney plan. Players were quoted while with the team and on their way out the door, that they were getting no clear direction from Terrible Tom and there was little sense of unified play or really much camraderie. They were a lifeless bunch of scrubs struggling to attain mediocrity.

Bottom line on Renney in New York – the media respected him more than the players did. He was the happy friendly guy around Rye or at the Garden, always a kind word for the writers while the Genius was back in self-imposed exile in Banff. His coaching consisted of dumbing it down and going for the first point was the key to success, HL in net to get the second point during the SO; Boring, unimaginative try-not-to-lose hockey. Just keeping it interesting long enough for Cablevision to male it look good on the balance sheet.

by pemoco on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 PM MST up reply actions  

If only we sould sign people like Sjostrom, Betts and Moore

Hate cable for cancelling Rubicon

by SumOil on Nov 14, 2010 1:51 PM MST reply actions  

could*

Hate cable for cancelling Rubicon

by SumOil on Nov 14, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d rather have Renney right now instead of Tortorella. I like Renney’s defensive style he had with us and he’s an easier coach for young players which we also have a good amount of. I’m surprised at these stats because Renney is usually better than this.
But when our PK was tops in the league and almost always good with Renney, we also had great PK players. Callahan, Dubinsky, Betts, Sjostrom, and probably our best in Drury. We had probably the best group of PKers in the NHL with these 5.

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by Tripodi on Nov 15, 2010 2:00 AM MST reply actions  

Renney's Rangers

Were gutless. If he was the coach tonight we’d have lost 5-1. Those teams were a reflection of the coach – no passion, no toughness. Renney never stuck with kids the way Tortorella has, never was able to make changes during the game.

by pemoco on Nov 15, 2010 10:49 PM MST up reply actions  

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