Scoring Chances, Microstats And Why They Matter
...After tracking scoring chances, usually at the NHL level, since 1980, some interesting facts emerge. . . . The average number of scoring chances is about the same as when Roger and I coached in Buffalo, when anything under 15 chances against was acceptable..."
That's Ron Smith, currently a pro scout with the Carolina Hurricanes, discussing the post-lockout changes to the game and their true effect on the game. According to the article,...[Smith] began his NHL coaching career in 1980-81 as an assistant alongside the late -- and much loved -- Roger Neilson with the Buffalo Sabres."
As Vic Ferarri has written, Neilson was streamlining his reporting long before anyone else. We also know that Harry Sinden was tracking the equivalent of Corsi during the 1972 Summit Series. If Sinden was doing this in the Summit Series, we can also reasonably assume the Boston Bruins to be doing the same in the late 1960s.
All of this is significant because we know that NHL teams are teams are tracking advanced stats (AKA microstats, underlying stats) to some degree. The Sabres have been doing it since the days of Roger Neilson, same with the Rangers. The Sabres have been using Corsi since Jim Corsi has been there. Smith has been tracking scoring chances since 1980 and has worked for the Canucks, the Devils, the Rangers, and Hurricanes, so we know that those four teams are also tracking, at the very least, scoring chances.
The main criticism of advanced stats when analyzing players, games or teams is that they are "useless", as those "useless" stats often contradict what a critic believes he has seen on the ice. However, knowing that these teams are themselves using the same advanced stats means that those of us exploring and compiling these stats are, at the very least, on the right track.
*For a primer on the other stats mentioned here, please visit the always-lively Behind The Net Hockey.
Scoring Chances
Corsi
The latest statistical focus for the "Stat Geeks" has been tracking game-by-game scoring chances. The project was started by Dennis King who was interested in understanding who was driving the play in Edmonton, and streamlined by Vic Ferrari of timeonice.com with his magnificent tracking tools. Because the NHL does not track scoring chances as an official stat, a group of bloggers has taken it upon themselves to track scoring chances created on the ice through each game for a given team over the course of a season.
A scoring chance is defined as a clear play directed toward the opposing net from a dangerous scoring area - loosely defined as the top of the circle in and inside the faceoff dots (nicknamed the Home Plate), though sometimes slightly more generous than that depending on the amount of immediately-preceding puck movement or screens in front of the net. Blocked shots are generally not included but missed shots are. A player is awarded a scoring chance anytime he is on the ice and someone from either team has a chance to score. He is awarded a "chance for" if someone on his team has a chance to score and a "chance against" if the opposing team has a chance to score.
Seven teams are currently being tracked, the Oilers by Dennis King at MC79hockey.com, the Flames by Kent Wilson at Flames Nation, the Rangers by George Ays at Blueshirt Banter, the Panthers by Derek Zona at Litter Box Cats, the Capitals by Neil Greenberg at Russian Machine Never Breaks, the Canadiens by Olivier at En attendant les Nordiques, and the Leafs at Under the Helmet of Slava Duris.
Though chances are subjective, those tracking the chances attempt to hold to the above definition as closely as possible. When tracking chances for the Panthers, the Home Plate area is roughly defined as demonstrated in the picture below:
How do scoring chances correlate to Corsi and Fenwick, two of the primary microstats in the analysis toolkit? Vic Ferrari answered that in a post using Dennis' data. Corsi is a close estimation of zone time, or as everyone likes to say "puck possession". Scoring chances are generated through zone time, and goals come from scoring chances. In other words, when Corsi is spoken of as a measure of a player or team's effectiveness, there is math to back it up. Of course we have to look at those numbers in context, and when we don't we might say foolish things, but most people that use Corsi as a measuring stick use context.
The scoring chances project is significant in that it closes the loop on the data currently being used to analyze the game. The math behind the data has been validated, though NHL teams have known that for at least thirty years, possibly more. The conversation now must progress beyond defending the veracity of these statistics from the "saw him good" crowd and other critics to finding the next great innovation in statistics and analysis.
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What happened to the Bubble Post about 18 yo scoring?
It and its comments have disappeared off the front page. Seems to have been replaced by some breast cancer charity’s ad begging for money
This is just me being lazy and not researching, but do deflections of shots within the “home plate” count as a scoring chance?
Oh, by the way, don’t think I didn’t catch you speaking in the third person there.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Nov 11, 2010 1:50 PM MST reply actions
This is just me being lazy and not researching, but do deflections of shots within the "home plate" count as a scoring chance?
Yessir.
Oh, by the way, don’t think I didn’t catch you speaking in the third person there.
I originally had “me” in there and it just looked really bizarre.
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Montreal definitely tracks scoring chances enough for their coach and players to be able to mention they’ve seldom given up more than X number of them during a game.
It does seem that NHL teams (or at least the Habs) define chances more narrowly than the Initiative, however, as they quote numbers that are consistently lower. (I vaguely remember something about not counting missed shots, maybe?)
You are correct. Both Montreal and Detroit are tracking scoring chances.
Something that struck me was Smith’s note:
The average number of scoring chances is about the same as when Roger and I coached in Buffalo, when anything under 15 chances against was acceptable…
He’s obviously talking about chances against here. I’m pretty much the most stringent counter amongst those counting right now and when a team has a good defensive game, they are typically below 15. I think we’re pretty close to what Neilson first defined and Smith has been counting ever since.
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I’m just basing this on the Habs saying after 8ish games that they “had allowed more than 13 scoring chances once” at that point whereas Olivier’s numbers were consistently a few changes higher — but still low comparatively. Both sets of data pointed to the same conclusion (good defensive performances), but the Habs’ counting seemed to result in a lower number.
It doesn’t really matter since everyone in the Initiative is using the same criteria, but I’m curious how the Habs and other NHL teams define scoring chances for counting purposes.
Interestingly, the Montreal newspaper “la Presse”‘s post-game analyst, Pierre Ladouceur, also occasionally mentions scoring chances numbers as part of his pieces, but they don’t publish full counts. I wonder if he counts them himself, has access to the team’s data, or gets them from some other source?
Most broadcast teams have someone counting them, but they are awful. In one of the Sharks’ playoff games last year, they registered a 48 foot unscreened Patrick Marleau slapshot has a scoring chance.
The Pens’ announcers counted a Malkin shot where threw it from the goal line and hit the side of the net as “a dangerous chance”.
Interestingly, Bill Lindsay, the Panthers color guy seems to have a the same definition as we do. The broadcast team’s chance counts aren’t far off of mine – though they seem to count multiple chances on scrambles in front, even if no one touches the puck.
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As an ex-NHL player, Lindsay might be going off of what his coaches did. As a for PK/checking line guy, Lindsay probably knows a thing or two about preventing scoring chances, too.
Of course, I’m just using an appeal to authority, so disregard my statement. :)
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But when we’re trying to figure out what the authority does, I think you’re supposed to appeal to it.
Hm. How about that.
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NHL teams track different levels of scoring chances. They use that same area as Derek defined. I’ve looked at internal numbers vs the internet numbers – while internal scoring chance totals are lower, the ratio is the same as for the internet, even over a 10-game stretch. The chance counters did an amazing job!
by Hawerchuk on Nov 11, 2010 5:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
re. The conversation now must progress beyond defending the veracity of these statistics from the “saw him good” crowd and other critics to finding the next great innovation in statistics and analysis.
Passing charts, passing charts, passing charts!
If it can be done in soccer with the Guardian’s Chalkboards to break down certain times of play, certain players passing the ball about, then why not hockey? I would love to see charts of players with respect to puck movement, identifying how many successful and unsuccessful passes they had and where. At a minimum, it would shine a bigger light on who is actually good at puck distribution rather than looking at assist totals and reputation.
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Passing charts, passing charts, passing charts!
I’m kind of hoping that we get it down to a more micro level: touches.
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By the way:
- Stats R Dum
- You are forgetting “chance quality”
- Brandon Yip doesn’t need no scoring chances, because he scores whenever he wants
- etc
by Hawerchuk on Nov 11, 2010 5:32 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

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