A Potential Home for Souray?
by Smytty777 on Oct 26, 2010 6:26 AM MDT
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PrintEditor's Note: This FanPost by Smytty777 is intriguing considering the CBA implications, and the implications for the Oilers, especially as it brings a clean resolution to the Souray drama.
Could chaos in the Capital provide an opportunity for the Oilers to unload their biggest off season headache? After the jump we take a look at the potential for a (somewhat complex) deal that might work for both sides.
The summer of Steve was fairly 'meh' this year; the promising additions of Kurtis Foster and Colin Fraser (neither of which have yet panned out) were offset by the baffling decisions to retain JFJ and to sign legitimate heavyweight but terrible hockey player Steve MacIntyre. All of these bottom of the roster additions provided little excitement as Oiler fans patiently waited for a blockbuster deal involving Sheldon Souray.
Sadly, it soon became apparent that no deal for Souray, blockbuster or otherwise, would be forthcoming. There was simply no market for the aging, injury-prone D-man. Fortunately for the Oilers, the NHL environment changes quickly and the Ottawa Senators are sitting in a world of hurt and at the peak of the NHL's salary-capped world. What does this mean for the Oilers and a bus-riding Sheldon Souray? Opportunity.
This opportunity arrives in the form of the waiver reset currently scheduled for November 1, 2010 and taking a quick peak at the current NHL standings this reset could provide a massive opportunity for the Oilers to unload Sheldon Souray.
Section 13.19 of the CBA states that when the NHL waiver priority resets the team with the lowest percentage of points will be able to claim a player placed on entry or re-entry waivers. A quick look at the standings shows us the following based on points percentage:
| Team | Games | Points | Percent Points |
| Atlanta | 8 | 7 | 0.875 |
| Buffalo | 9 | 7 | 0.777 |
| Anaheim | 9 | 7 | 0.777 |
| Edmonton | 6 | 4 | 0.666 |
| Ottawa | 8 | 5 | 0.625 |
| New Jersey | 9 | 5 | 0.555 |
What is abundantly clear (aside from the fact that the Oilers are still terrible) is that the Ottawa Senators are sitting near the top of the waiver priority. If the Sens maintain their horrific positioning they will be near the head of the line for a Sheldon Souray re-entry claim when the waiver priority resets on Monday. Put that together with a recent comment from Sens GM Bryan Murray that he is looking to make a move and there are definite possibilities for a deal.
The issue with simply claiming Souray is that the Sens have zero cap space. So any claim of Souray will need to be in conjunction with a salary dump. Alex Kovalev is currently on the outs in Ottawa and his $5M in salary seems like an obvious candidate for a dump, but why would the Oilers take on a bunch of salary and improve Ottawa's team while paying half of Souray's? Draft picks.
I'm not sure what the price is, maybe a second rounder and Kovalev for a 5th. Maybe Kovalev and a stud D prospect like Cowan or Rundblad for Andrew Cogliano and Souray at half price? There is potential for a deal, and Murray is likely desperate. If there is a way to pry a pick or a prized prospect out of him for Andrew Cogliano and Souray I would do it.
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We are not getting a stud D prospect in return. Apparently Cogliano was dangled as a trade bait on the draft day and no one was ready to part with their 1st rounder. So why should anyone then part with a prospect they selected with their 1st rounder.
See right now the two players you mention in your proposal are at the lowest point of their trade value, Its highly unlikely that we get anything of substance in return.
As for creating cap space, sending Leclaire to the minors would do the trick
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
That’s a fair point Sum, Ottawa giving up a blue-chip D prospect would depend on a couple of things:
1. Bryan Murray needs to be desperate, this is just conjecture on my part.
2. Murray must think Souray is a perfect fit, reading the descriptions of what the Sens are looking for I think he might be exactly what they need.
3. The Sens must really value Cogliano, there is some evidence they do.
4. Kovalev must have negative value, i.e. they would pay extra for the Oilers to take his salary off their hands. Again just conjecture and they might prefer a pure waiver to get cap compliant as you have stated.
Getting a quality prospect out of Ottawa is a long shot, but the possibility of Souray landing there with a small return to the Oilers is a possibility and that is really the point of the post.
Getting a quality prospect out of Ottawa is a long shot, but the possibility of Souray landing there with a small return to the Oilers is a possibility and that is really the point of the post.
Agreed. Part of the issue with writing posts like this is that hockey fans love to focus in on the details and the examples rather than the point of the post.
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If there is a way to pry a pick or a prized prospect out of him for Andrew Cogliano and Souray I would do it.
I am merely pointing out that getting a high pick or a prized prospect will be hard.
Part of the issue with writing posts like this is that hockey fans love to focus in on the details and the examples rather than the point of the post.
Of course Ottawa is a good fit and it is an interesting idea.
Is souray going to be with us? No
Is Souray a fit in ottawa? yes
Can we get anything of substance? Probably not. What can we get for him? umm interesting.
If we are not discussing the potential assets on the move, then what else are we doing here?
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
2. Murray must think Souray is a perfect fit, reading the descriptions of what the Sens are looking for I think he might be exactly what they need.
A day late with the comments, but why in the world would Souray fit the need of a defensively responsible cheap TOUGH to play against defenseman? We already have enough PP QBs and offensive defensemen…
Apparently Cogliano was dangled as a trade bait on the draft day and no one was ready to part with their 1st rounder
The way I remember it, there was a deal on for Cogliano at the draft for the 16th overall from Ottawa. I think the intention was to take Dylan McIlrath. When he, Gormley, Forbert and Fowler all went in the preceding picks, the deal got called off by Edmonton. The Sens then shipped this pick to St. Louis for David Runblad. This lends some strength to this rumour in my opinion.
As for creating cap space, sending Leclaire to the minors would do the trick
They can’t waive him while he’s hurt.
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till then if they put him on LTIR then the cap hit gos away anyways
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
This is true, but there are significant disadvantages to using LTIR as compared to burying guys. If they bury him, the money is off the cap. If he’s on LTIR, they can go over the cap to replace him. It doesn’t seem like a big difference but it makes a big difference come the trade deadline. If he’s buried and they spend the first three quarters of the year $1M under the cap, they will have a lot more flexibility to take on salary while acquiring players than if they’re using LTIR and are playing right to the cap.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 26, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Aaah I see what you are saying. I guess I did not understand the LTIR concept then. I always thought that the cap-hit goes away. So all LTIR does is give the teams a cushion to go over the cap.
In that case i see why sending off to minors is more beneficial than LTIR
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
I will beleave it when i see it! Untill then #44 is a Bear/Oiler till next summer.
It wont happen unless lightning hits some GM in the head!!!
by Sheldon Oilers Fan for Life on Oct 26, 2010 8:05 AM MDT reply actions
Thats not true. Souray at 2.7 million cap hit and 2.25 million salary p.a is an excellent deal. If he is recalled, I presume many teams would want him.
NYI
ANA
OTT
WSH
BUF
Sins can be forgiven but conscience is a killer.
Sather won’t resist him at 2.7m either.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 26, 2010 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Todd White. He’s an inevitable casualty anyway. If they still need more, they’ll bury/trade Gilroy.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 27, 2010 6:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m certainly not rooting for it, but it’s the kind of thing Sather would do. I just hope if it comes to it, there are a bunch of teams with higher waiver priority.
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by George E. Ays on Oct 27, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
To be fair to Tambellini
He showed some creativity and imagination with the POS waiver dump deal to Phoenix in exchange for Vandermeer.
I keep reading this as a defense of Tambellini, but it’s just not true. It might be imaginative, but it’s not efficient.
O’Sullivan’s buyout costs $935,417 against the cap this year and $397,917 against the cap for next year.
Vandermeer costs $2,300,000 against the cap this year. A guy like Mike Mottau signed with the Islanders for $800,000 over the next two seasons. Tambellini could’ve offered him $1.2 million, had a better player and had the same cap and cash impact.
Other guys that would’ve worked:
Milan Jurcina, $1,000,000
Paul Mara, $750,000
Andreas Lilja, $713,710
Nick Boynton, $500,000
Mike Weaver, $900,000
Jason Garrison, $675,000
Randy Jones, $1,000,000
He could’ve offered any of them $1,200,000 and had the same financial impact. So the Vandermeer thing wasn’t really creative, it was just…a move for a move’s sake.
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Whether or not it was smart sort of depends on the plan going forward. I actually like the Vandermeer move well enough if the Oilers plan is to seriously compete for the playoffs / Cup in 2011-12. O’Sullivan’s cap hit would have been small, but if the plan is to be as efficient as possible in 2011-12 at the expense of this season, I’m glad Tambellini got O’Sullivan’s deal off the books. It costs a bit of a cash, but saves them some cap space when it matters. If the plan next year is continued suck, then yeah, I agree it didn’t make any sense.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 26, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
And just in time for the trade speculation, Souray breaks his hand….again. as per Bob Mckenzie tweet
The deal was Cogs + 31 for #15.
Edmonton never had anything going with Ottawa’s pick.
A deal that might make sense is Cogliano + Smid for Erik Karlsson.
I tried googling and came up with nothing solid either way. I am just going from my memory of comments made while I watched the draft. I did find a few references to the #15 pick, but that pick had been traded to Florida in the Horton deal, so probably wasn’t in play at the draft table.
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