2009 Draft - Forwards
The 2009 draft has come and gone. Those who spoke excitedly of Tavares, Hedman and Duchene now whisper the names Seguin, Hall and Fowler. With the Oilers only two points out of dead last it's hard not to join in, especially with Jonathan Willis having already started prepping us for the big day (and don't forget part two). Nonetheless, I thought it might be interesting to look back on the 2009 draft that was. One of my favourite tools in evaluating prospects is Gabriel Desjardins' NHL equivalencies, though personally I think it's a lot more relevant for forwards than it is for defenders (and goalies!). The basic premise is that we can expect each player to bring a portion of his offence with him from the league he's currently playing in to the NHL. After the jump I'll explain a bit more fully and look at what each of the forwards drafted in June of 2009 has done so far this season.
The numbers I've used for equivalencies come from two main sources and, to be perfectly honest, I'm not completely sure if this is the most up-to-date information. If you (my dear reader) happen to know of more current numbers, please let me know and I'd be happy to run the numbers again. At any rate, each league has a different equivalency number. What I've done below is taken each player's goals, assists and points, converted them to a "per game" rate, multiplied them by the league equivalency number, and then expressed them as an "NHL equivalency" assuming an 82-game season. I've used this article for the translations from the NHL, KHL (multiply offence by 0.83), SEL (0.78), FNL (0.54), AHL (0.44), NCAA (0.41), WHL (0.30), OHL (0.30) and QMJHL (0.28). I've used this article for the translations from the USHL (0.27), AJHL (0.16) and BCHL (0.14).
Before I go ahead and put up the chart some brief explanation is needed. Firstly, not all of the players drafted in 2009 were the same age. Several players had already passed through the draft at least once (and sometimes twice). All of these older players are included in the chart but are marked in yellow. Injured players are at the bottom of the chart marked in red, along with Brad Peltz in gray. Peltz is a special case since the Senators have left him to play Canadian high school hockey for another season and it's possible that he was only drafted because his father is a billionaire. Finally, the "Draft Number" column is not the player's actual draft position but the player's position among forwards. So, for example Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson was drafted by the Edmonton Oilers 10th overall but was the 7th forward to be drafted. As such, his "Draft Number" in the chart is "7." I broke the chart into three portions so it would be easier to read, but you can still click on it to enlarge.
A couple of things stand out to me on this chart. The first is that no overage players were taken in the first forty forwards and only two of the top sixty forwards taken were overagers. And some of these players are certainly legitimate prospects. It makes me wonder if it wouldn't be a good strategy to take the top overager on your list in the third round. It looks to me like doing so would give you a very good chance at getting a top-thirty offensive player in the draft.
As for the two overagers near the top of the list, Marcus Kruger's big season in 2009-10 is somewhat surprising. Kruger's 2008-09 was his 19 year-old season and taking that year to compare him with the rest of the list would leaves him in the bottom half (17.1 NHLE points). He's clearly taken a huge step forward but there's a very good chance many of the guys behind him now will pass him by next season. Brandon Kozun, on the other hand, had a very good season in 2008-09. Kozun's 2008-09 NHLE of 36.9 points would leave him in a tie for 7th on this list. He's taken a small step forward again this season and should clearly be looked at as a legitimate prospect going forward despite his small stature.
So far, Brandon Kozun is looking like a good draft steal by Los Angeles Kings. Brandon Pirri (Chicago) and Taylor Beck (Nashville) also look good by the numbers. The Washington Capitals are probably very excited with all four of their players beating their draft number and three players cracking the top forty forwards despite only selecting once in the top forty. The Colorado Avalanche must also be very pleased with the two forwards they selected. On the other hand, Chris Kreider is way off the pace of any other first round forward (apparently Hugh Jessiman didn't teach the Rangers a thing about trusting US high school hockey). At the team level, the Florida Panthers don't seem to have had a very good day (aside: if you're an Oiler fan, no matter how bad things are now, look at the Panthers over the last decade before you say they couldn't get worse)
Four men on this list are already playing in the NHL and of those four, three seem to be doing fine. The one exception is Evander Kane who seems to be struggling mightily at the NHL level relative to the other forwards taken in the top ten. Even without taking the salary cap implications into consideration, it seems like it was a bad idea to keep him in Atlanta. Once those are factored in, the decision is just plain awful.
The Edmonton Oilers prospects are tracking quite well. Magnus Pajaarvi-Svensson is doing very well offensively which is exactly what the Oilers will need out of a top ten pick. Toni Rajala is beating his draft number so far. He doesn't look like an impact player offensively which is too bad since he's the kind of player that will likely need to be impactful offensively to have an NHL career. Anton Lander is the exact opposite situation. His offensive numbers are not covering his draft number but he seems to have the kind of skill set that may get him to the NHL anyway. There's also a possibility that the SEL is better than it's being given credit for. Other than Svensson and Marcus Johansson, all of the Swedes taken in the first two rounds have taken a hit. Which should only make Oiler fans that much more excited about Magnus. Finally, Cameron Abney wasn't drafted for his offence but that was just a terrible draft pick (given the state of the Oilers, I thought that I should end on a sour note).
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Brandon Kozun, on the other hand, had a very good season in 2008-09. Kozun’s 2008-09 NHLE of 36.9 points would leave him in a tie for 7th on this list. He’s taken a small step forward again this season and should clearly be looked at as a legitimate prospect going forward despite his small stature.
Great. As if the Kings need more young power.
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by Derek Zona on Jan 18, 2010 9:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know Doogie — who’s a Hitmen season ticket holder — is a huge fan of Kozun, was touting him all last season. I saw him play a game here last spring and was extremely impressed as well. Great hands, timing, nose for the net. A steal at #10 for sure.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 18, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops … a steal at #100.
I’m hoiping it’s the Oilers who got a steal at #10.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 18, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind that he was the 100th forward to be drafted too. He was actually taken 179th overall. Hard to believe.
by Scott Reynolds on Jan 18, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, right. I didn’t even account for your method. What a steal.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 18, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Bendfeld. Cameron Abney.
Both better hockey players than Brandon Kozun.
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by Doogie2K on Jan 18, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes me wonder if it wouldn’t be a good strategy to take the top overager on your list in the third round. It looks to me like doing so would give you a very good chance at getting a top-thirty offensive player in the draft.
I’ve often wondered this myself. A guy who makes a big step at 19 or 20 is more intriguing in some ways than a higher-rated guy who is just tracking. An example of this type of player is Danny Syvret, who Oilers took #81 overall after he had been a key contributor on two of the greatest junior teams of all time (London Knights 2004-05, Team Canada WJHC 2005). Jury’s still out on how good a pick that might have been, but Syvret has already seen more NHL action than many/most third rounders ever will. I remember boldly predicting right on Draft Day that Syvret would see more NHL time than half of the guys picked ahead of him, and at the moment that number is closer to 2/3; Syvret’s 48 GP have been exceeded by just 27 guys drafted ahead of him. That might change over time since of course almost all of those guys are younger than Syvret, but I will comfortably stick to my original prediction.
I also like the idea of going after redrafts, although they are fairly uncommon. I still remember Oilers and Flames taking Stoll and Lombardi “from each other” in 2002. Two pretty darn good picks at #36 and #90 respectively the second time around.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 18, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve often wondered this myself. A guy who makes a big step at 19 or 20 is more intriguing in some ways than a higher-rated guy who is just tracking.
Sounds like an interesting research project.
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by Derek Zona on Jan 18, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes far more sense than drafting a guy who’s top end maxes out as a 4 minute per night enforcer.
by dawgbone98 on Jan 19, 2010 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re: redrafted players
Many of the re-drafts are pretty big busts. Lombardi is likely the best re-drafted players out there. The other one is Nick Boynton who seems to wear out his welcome in the NHL too. After those to NHL players there are a lot of Rob Zepp type guys who never made any sort of ripple in the NHL.
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by The Falconer on Jan 22, 2010 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Caps took Cody Eaken with their third round pick. I’m not saying the one anecdote should invalidate the suggestion, but Eaken looks like a steal on that chart.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 22, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Evander Kane
Full disclosure: I thought the Thrashers should have sent Evander Kane back to juniors after training camp. The truth is that he has been more effective in the regular season than he was in pre-season. Kane is getting regular ice time on the 3rd line and some PK unit time. He also hitting men in the NHL despite his the fact that he just turned 18 three weeks before NHL training camp opened—he has a lot of filling out to do on that body of his.
Personally I like what you’ve done, but Kane’s case is an example where the ice time context can cause you to draw some wrong inferences. Kane’s point numbers are comparatively low because he barely sees any PP ice time, which is quite different from Tavares and Duchesne.
Total PP minutes played this season
212 Tavares
113 Duchesne
13 Evander Kane
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by The Falconer on Jan 19, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s a really good point Falconer. All four of the NHL guys (the three you mention plus Ryan O’Reilly) are very close in terms of points at even strength. I think Kane and O’Reilly are probably the only guys on the first page of the list that aren’t getting significant PP minutes so they’re being unfairly pushed down. I’ve watched the Avs enough that I was somewhat aware of it in O’Reilly’s case but I’m surprised that it’s true of Kane as well. Thanks for the added context!
by Scott Reynolds on Jan 19, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned before, I’ve played around with doing this projections before for Atlanta prospects. On the one hand, they are fun and add more than the typical “gee, I really like prospect _.” The NHLE allow us to put a number of a prospect’s NHL potential. The downside is that these are rather crude estimates—and they treat a scoring line prospect the same as a checking line prospect (the latter will never see PP ice time in the NHL of course).
In the long run what is needed is a projection system that takes into account each player’s point production along with his size, weight, age and some other factors. It is a dream of mine to develop something like that—perhaps I’ll have more time to experiment with it this summer.
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by The Falconer on Jan 19, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is obviously just a measure of offensive skill. I’m actually not too sold on the idea of having “checking line” prospects. In order to be effective in the NHL you need to have a high level of skill, even in a checking role. IMO if you’re not cracking close to a PPG in the CHL in the year after your draft year then you probably aren’t skilled enough for the NHL. You are right about the size thing though. There just aren’t a lot of small players on NHL rosters and that needs to be taken into account.
by Scott Reynolds on Jan 20, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s also a possibility that the SEL is better than it’s being given credit for. Other than Svensson and Marcus Johansson, all of the Swedes taken in the first two rounds have taken a hit.
It’s pretty difficult for kids to get quality ice time in the SEL. It gets back to what the Falconer was saying about Kane’s PP time and comparing different roles. That doesn’t take anything away from how excited the Oilers should be about MPS, or the Caps about Johansson, but it’s another explanation. This is great stuff, Scott.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 22, 2010 5:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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