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Other Options: Alexander Frolov

The Los Angeles Kings acquired a new first line LW today in the person of ex-Oiler Ryan Smyth. Smyth, incidentally, was acquired for a package consisting of Kyle Quincey, Tom Preissing, and a 5th round pick. No wonder Los Angeles didn’t put a serious bid in on Dany Heatley.

Anyways, there have been a pair of rumours around for a while:

  • Dean Lombardi is not averse to moving Alexander Frolov
  • Sheldon Souray might be interested in waiving his NMC to go to L.A, and Dean Lombardi may be very interested in acquiring him

Added to those two rumours is the Oilers’ perceived need for a new winger to replace Dustin Penner on a line with Shawn Horcoff and Ales Hemsky. Those three factors make a trade between Edmonton and Los Angeles at least a possible fit. What would the Oilers be getting in Frolov?

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Taken three spots after the Oilers nabbed Alexei Mikhnov, Alexander Frolov has developed into a goal-scoring winger who has scored between 21 and 35 goals over the last five seasons. Here are his numbers; first his boxcar statistics for last year, followed by a selection of advanced statistics for his previous two seasons:

 

Alexander Frolov

#24 / Left Wing / Los Angeles Kings

6-2

204

Jun 19, 1982

Selected 20th overall, 2000


GPGAP+/-PIMPPGSHGGWGGTGSOGPCT
2008 - 09 77 32 27 59 -6 30 12 1 1 2 176 18.2

QualCompQualTeamEVPTS/60EVGD/60Corsi/60PPPTS/60ZoneStart
2008 - 09 1st 5th 1.62 -0.64 +2.4 6.18 -15
2007 - 08 13th 5th 2.76 +0.30 -1.3 3.33 --

We see a fascinating difference in how two good NHL coaches used this player here.  Marc Crawford used Frolov in much the same manner as he once used his horses in Vancouver; as soft-minutes scorers.  Terry Murray, on the other hand, has used Frolov in more of a power-vs.-power role, albeit one that saw him slightly sheltered in terms of where he started on the ice (keep in mind that L.A. had a better record than Edmonton territorially; in other words, -15 in L.A. is much closer to breakeven than -15 in Edmonton).

It isn't shown here, but Murray also sent Frolov out on the pnealty-kill; he averaged 12 seconds a game in 2007-08, whereas in 2008-09 he averaged 2:25.  The jump in his powerplay performance is probably somewhat attributable to Murray as well; Frolov saw his powerplay time per game reduced (although he remained on the top unit), but the Kings powerplay jumped 2 percentage points in effectiveness and I tend to think that Frolov rode that wave to some degree.

After taking this look, I'm less convinced that Frolov is a great fit in Edmonton.  Sure, he's relatively young and still developing but a) he's not that far from free agency and b) he strikes me as a much better fit on a soft minutes line than on a tough minutes line.  Granted, Murray has already started the transformation, and it could be that Frolov will take a big step forward next year (similar to the even-strength improvement Dustin Penner took in his second season under MacTavish) but aside from the fact that he's a sniper he doesn't seem to be a significant upgrade over Patrick O'Sullivan or Dustin Penner.  An upgrade, sure, but probably not a big enough upgrade to warrant pursuing him.

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I like the player, but......

Frolov is a UFA at the end of this season. We would be giving up 3 years of Souray for 1 year of Frolov. Not a good deal IMO. However, if this was worked out with either a contract extension or some kind of Eric Cole type deal (where we turn Souray into 60 games of Frolov and then whatever we can get for him at the trade deadline) it would be a smart way to get out from under Sourays contract while getting assets in return.

by Matt.N on Jul 6, 2009 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Goal differential vs. shot differential

Very interesting how Frolov’s stats reversed from one season to the next. While his shot differnetial went from negative to positive, his goal differential plummeted by almost 1 G/60, and his points production further still by more than 1 P/60. Doesn’t seem to be much correlation from outshooting to outscoring in this example.

by Bruce McCurdy on Jul 6, 2009 9:39 AM MDT reply actions  

I think it actually makes sense. I mean, the Zetterbergs of the world need a lot less shots to score than the Downeys of the world do.

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 6, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would be interested to see what his PDO numbers (SV % + ST ) are over these years. Does anyone know where you can find this information? A quick check on BTN doesn’t seem to list on ice sv.

by Matt.N on Jul 6, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Flat Cap

We would be giving up 3 years of Souray for 1 year of Frolov

That’s a positive
Not a negative
Free up Cap space

Gagliano will need raises
Plus, there will be bargains floating around next summer

by Mr DeBakey on Jul 6, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions  

Expiring contracts are all the rage in the NBA.

I could get on board with this as long as Frolov didn’t walk for free and Edmonton proved that they could actually sign a UFA and/or use that cap space effeciently.

by Matt.N on Jul 6, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Frolov was a realistic option, I’d be all over it. The problem is, Lombardi seems to think they needed more at LW. Trading for Smyth and then turning around and trading Frolov seems like a pretty lateral move, and not in line with Lombardi’s comments on the LW situation in LA.

Souray for Frolov is an excellent basis for a trade. If something needs to be added to one side or another, I don’t know, but it’s a good start.

by ykmisfit on Jul 6, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t think you can draw many conclusions form isolating two small samples like this for an individual player.

LA’s puck luck was horrifying this past season despite having positive shift start, shift ending, shot and Corsi differential. 6.8% ES shooting percentage as a team and some stretches of stink goaltending backed by questional goaltending management.

Frolov lead all forwards on L.A in ice-time in 2006-07. They had real terrible goaltending that year. In 2007-08 Jack Johnson and Kopitar both had over 1200 ES minutes: the team was intentionally tanking.

It’s sort of impairs the ability to draw useful conclusion form the stats when the team has been managed to lose for so long.

by slipper on Jul 6, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t get Lombardi’s attitude towards goaltenders. He had a pretty good setup in S.J., but Quick/Ersberg really aren’t in the same class as Toskala/Kipper/Nabokov were.

L.A.’s results this year were a little funny too. I expect them to trend upward next season in a big way.

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

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