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Combined Top-25 Prospect Rankings: #6 - #10

Part four of the Copper & Blue prospect rankings looks at the bottom half of the top ten. We’ll consider a recent draft pick with a strong two-way game, a pair of flawed but promising defenseman and a pair of different forwards who have yet to spend any time in Edmonton’s farm system.

The #7 and #10 profiles were done by Derek, with the remainder being written by me.

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6. Anton Lander

Strengths: Character is invariably listed as one of Lander’s strengths in scouting reports, as is defensive ability and willingness to play a two-way game. Never shies away from traffic and plays a physical, gritty game. Played against men in the SEL in his draft year and did okay. Can play centre or wing, and is a decent face-off option

Weaknesses: Lander’s skating could use some work and while he brings some offense to the table he’s very much a complimentary player in that department.

Seal Value: I really had trouble nailing down a player exactly like this, but the closest I can come up with is… Samuel Pahlsson with more offense.

7. Cody Wild

Strengths: Solid offensive instincts and excellent passing ability. Wild has outstanding hands. He played the tough minutes in Springfield for the first half of last year and was the only man besides Peckham that didn't drown.

Weaknesses: He's not sizeable and doesn't have a strong defensive game. Doesn't possess a good shot. His boxcars have never matched his offensive reputation. Had the unfortunate luck of leaving a good college program for the depths of Springfield last year.

Seal Value: Another year in the AHL under a solid coaching staff and a year of playing the 7th toughest minutes in the NHL allow him to develop a quietly effective two-way game like the vastly underrated...Paul Martin.

8. Linus Omark

Strengths: The best pure-skill prospect in the Oilers system right now. Omark’s a talented and unpredictable goal scorer who braves traffic and shoots from anywhere. As creative as they come.

Weaknesses: He’s small, doesn’t have the muscle to fight through checking, and at 22 he may not have the type of ceiling that most people would assume for a player of his caliber offensively. He’s also proven difficult to sign and may only join the team on a one-way contract.

Seal Value: After coming over to North America, Omark’s natural offensive ability takes over, and he eventually turns into a first-rate goal scorer similar to… Mike Cammalleri.

9. Alex Plante

Strengths: Plante is a big body (6’5", 220 lbs) who boasts good hockey sense and straight-line speed. He’s been an offensive producer in junior thanks to a hard, accurate shot and good puck-moving ability. He isn’t afraid of the rough stuff. Handled a difficult situation in Calgary well, which speaks to his character.

Weaknesses: Plante isn’t as physical as most fans expect a defenseman of his dimensions to be. His offensive production may very well not translate to the NHL, and his lateral agility has long been regarded as a weakness. Injury has been a problem in the past.

Seal Value: How much of Plante’s offense translates to the NHL is an open question right now; if things come along well he might put up numbers similar to those posted by… Brent Burns.

10. Chris Vande Velde

Strengths: He has size [6'2", 210 lbs], finishing ability, and high-level faceoff skills. He's strong in both ends of the ice and gets to the front of the net. He kills penalties and plays a physical game. He comes out of a highly-rated college program. Most underrated man in the Oilers organization.

Weaknesses: Does not play a highly-skilled game.

Seal Value: He spends a half of a year in the AHL next year and is slowly fed easy NHL minutes after his callup. He turns into a beauty two-way player that...Shawn Horcoff has become.

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Lander not Van DeVelde?

To me Lander’s high points seem closer to Horcoff’s than Van DeVelde’s.
And Van DeVelde more like Malhotra?

No matter, as long as you’ve got two NHLers in the system.

Petry & Wild are bass ackwards

by Mr DeBakey on Jul 17, 2009 2:59 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t think there’s much seperating Wild and Petry right now, except that Petry’s brutal numbers are coming in college and are worse than Wild’s.

Anyway, it’s a composite list ;)

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 17, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Vande Velde - Horcoff

To me Lander’s high points seem closer to Horcoff’s than Van DeVelde’s.
And Van DeVelde more like Malhotra?

Look at the comps for Horcoff and Vande Velde. During their 20 year old seasons, both in high-level NCAA programs:

Horcoff – 39 GP, 12 G, 25A on a team with 128 GF
Vande Velde – 43 GP, 15 G, 17A on a team with 129 GF

Horcoff – 42 GP, 14G, 51A on a team with 141 GF
Vande Velde – 43 GP, 18G 17A on a team with 146 GF

He’s not as much of a playmaker, but he’s more of a physical presence in both zones. He’s ahead of Horcoff in the circle, and he brings the same penalty kill skills.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 17, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m assuming you meant 15 assists?

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 17, 2009 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I meant Horcoff’s 14G/51A season, but I see that’s what he actually had. That’s a pretty significant departure from Vande Velde’s numbers.

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 17, 2009 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Assists

It was, but it was also a serious outlier for Horcoff’s career.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 17, 2009 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with JW here. Also Wild wasnt used effectively enough in Springfield. Petry was downright brutal. That being said, I think ceiling wise Petry is ahead of Wild, but the latter is further ahead in development.

by SumOil on Jul 17, 2009 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Plante

I was thinking Kurtis Foster

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by Derek Zona on Jul 17, 2009 6:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Foster’s another good comparable, but I thought, ‘what the heck pie-in-the-sky Heidi Klum time’.

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 17, 2009 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

True.

Always gotta remember that a guy like that sometimes lands a girl like that.

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by Derek Zona on Jul 17, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

How much emphasis do you guys put on draft pedigree? I ask because pretty much every scouting service had Rajala ranked ahead of Lander prior to the draft. If the Oilers took Rajala in the 2nd and Lander in the 4th, how much of an effect would that have on your rankings?

Also, is the “seal value” just trying to give us a sense of their style? For the most part, the “blue-skying” seems kind of strange since a lot of these players aren’t actually very good comps (i.e. Horcoff has much more offence than Vande Velde, Burns was drafted as a forward, Cammalleri’s 22 y/o season featured 46 goals in the AHL).

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 17, 2009 8:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Pedigree has a lot of value for me with recently drafted players – since it’s basically a ranking of every 18 year old as NHL scouts see them.

“Seal” value is pie-in-the-sky rather than strict comparables.

And I think Cammalleri/Omark matchup well. Cammalleri’s five years older – five years ago he scored 41GP – 20G – 19A – 39PTS in the AHL while Omark scored 53GP – 23G – 32A – 55PTS in the SEL.

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 17, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

With regard to the pedigree comment, do you think that the top 100 picks in the actual draft will produce more accurate results than RLR’s or ISS’s top 100?

The season you’re talking about for Cammalleri is actually 6 seasons ago I think. Five seasons ago was the lockout and he spent the whole year in the AHL going 46-63-109 in 79 games. The “pie-in-the-sky” thing is a bit odd in general. The players could theoretically outperform the “seal” value and yet they’re very unlikely to attain that level. I don’t see much value in it as an exercise. Why did you guys go for that instead of legitimate comps?

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 17, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

It keeps us fans more interested and hopeful!!!!

No point saying Wild will never be better than say Ville Kostinen!

by SumOil on Jul 17, 2009 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

2008-09: this past season
2007-08: one season ago
2006-07: two seasons ago
2005-06: three seasons ago
2004-05: four seasons ago
2003-04: five seasons ago

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by Jonathan Willis on Jul 18, 2009 1:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry Jonathan, I should have just added up the ages myself instead of letting a misunderstanding ruin the conversation. Omark was in fact several months younger in 2008-09 than Cammalleri was in 2003-04, so, my bad there. That being the case, they do look like they could be good comps. Too bad he won’t be playing in North America next season.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 18, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Brent Burns

He had an off season last year, where at first he was put on a forward line due to lack of Wild’s offensive depth. Then he was playing through concussion symptoms. Also Burns is a really good skater and physical hockey player.
Alex Plante with everything going his way wont ever be as good as Brent Burns.

by SumOil on Jul 17, 2009 11:12 PM MDT reply actions  

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