Oilers trade Brodziak to divisional rival
I'm an astronomer, not an astrologer, so my inclination is to look into the past rather than to foretell the future.
While I'm keenly interested in the Entry Draft and where the new names slot into the 50-contract limit and 90-player reserve list, I'm not really a prospectophile so will leave the analysis of the new recruits up to experts like Lowetide, Speeds, YKOil, or the Copper & Blue's own Jonathan Willis and Derek Zona.
It's pretty safe to assume that none of the newcomers will figure in the 23-man roster in 2009-10. Thus the transaction of most immediate concern Saturday was one of subtraction, not addition, as the Oilers shipped Kyle Brodziak and a 6th round pick to Minnesota in exchange for 4th and 5th round selections. Brodziak is one player we can analyze on past performance, not future projections; that he was moved on for such a modest return begs the question, why did he fail as an Oiler?
Kyle Brodziak is 25, born in nearby St. Paul, AB within a week of the Oilers' first Cup in 1984. Passed over in his first year of draft eligibility, Kyle was stolen in the 7th round, 215th overall, in 2003, and immediately began covering the bet. After finishing strongly with the Moose Jaw Warriors in the WHL, improving his goals, points and plus for each of his last three seasons, Brodziak essentially duplicated that progression during three nearly-complete seasons with three different AHL teams. The last two years he earned cups of coffee with the big club (10 and 6 GP) before making the jump for good in 2007, just turned 23 and fully grown to a strapping 6'2, 209. Over the past two years he played 159 games for the Oilers as a 13-minute-a-night fourth-liner, penalty killer, and faceoff specialist, posting 25 goals and 58 points for a bargain basement cap hit of $497,500.
Lets put that bargain price and his production in perspective of other Oiler forwards over the past two seasons:
| Player |
Cap hit $000 |
G |
P |
$000/G |
$000/P |
| Brodziak | 995 | 25 | 58 | 40 | 17 |
| Cogliano | 2266 | 36 | 83 | 63 | 27 |
| Gagner | 3250 | 29 | 90 | 112 | 36 |
| Nilsson | 2916 | 19 | 70 | 153 | 42 |
| Pouliot | *1142 | 9 | 27 | 127 | 42 |
| Stortini | 1206 | 9 | 23 | 134 | 52 |
| Hemsky | 8200 | 43 | 137 | 191 | 60 |
| Horcoff | 7200 | 38 | 103 | 189 | 70 |
| Penner | 8500 | 40 | 84 | 213 | 101 |
| Moreau | 4000 | 19 | 35 | 211 | 114 |
| Pisani | 5000 | 20 | 37 | 250 | 135 |
With Brodziak's entry-level contract now at an end, he will obviously expect (and deserve) a significant raise as an established NHLer. Double it to a million bucks, and he still looks like a bargain by the above metric (which is admittedly suspect, and biased against big-ticket players). I'm betting he signs for less. For the small ticket he did command, those production numbers stand out, especially when compared to the non-producing third-liners at the very bottom of the list.
It's not as though Brodziak was padding his stats on the powerplay. He scored 51 of those points at even strength, 5 on the penalty kill, just 2 on the PP. In 2008-09 he played just 9 minutes with the man advantage, scoring a game-winning overtime goal in San Jose but otherwise being nailed to the bench. Meanwhile, he was second among Oiler forwards with 216 shorthanded minutes; of the 8 Oiler forwards with more than 40 minutes on the season, only Brodziak and Pisani had a better minus per 60 when on the ice than off. As much as Brodz appeared to struggle at times, his results were better than all but one of his teammates up front, as reflected by Gabe Desjardins' PK Rating at his wonderful site BehindTheNet.ca.
Brodziak was skating uphill at evens as well. He was heavily relied upon in the circle, where he was clearly MacT's second option, and it wasn't close after that:
Horcoff ...... 1756 ..................... 53.9
Brodziak ..... 947 ...................... 51.6
Cogliano ..... 702 ....................... 37.2
Gagner ........ 690 ....................... 42.0
Pouliot ........ 211 ........................48.3
Pisani .......... 123 ...................... 40.6
Penner ........ 114 ....................... 47.4
O'Sullivan .... 99 ....................... 41.4
Kotalik ......... 85 ........................ 42.4
Moreau ........ 36 ....................... 30.6 !
Reddox ......... 25 ........................ 44.0
Stortini ......... 11 ....................... 63.6 !!
Moreover, Brodz was on ice for a whopping 330 own-zone faceoffs compared to just 181 in the offensive zone, for a ZoneStart of +149. Lest you think that doesn't much matter, consider the extraordinarily pure sample set involving Brodziak with Shawn Horcoff. According to Vic Ferrari's faceoff data over at TimeOnIce.com the two (shown as #99) were on the ice together for 68 even-strength faceoffs on the season, 67 of them in the defensive zone. When those two were on the ice together -- barely 35 minutes total on the season -- the Oilers were outshot 27-3, while attempted shots (Corsi) were a staggering 59-6 against (see again #99 in this shots analysis, also courtesy TOI.com). Those draws taken with the reliable Horcoff on the ice account for just +66 of Brodziak's overall +149 ZoneStart number; it's easy to imagine those additional own-zone draws accumulating negative Corsi's at the equivalent rate (-0.8 per draw) if not higher. That's -120 shots right there. Suddenly Brodziak's lousy Corsi numbers (-14.5 per 60, -187 gross) gain a little perspective.
Shots aside, the game is about outscoring the other guys. That Brodziak posted a +4 mark on the season is mighty impressive for a guy who started at such a disadvantage. While Brodziak didn't face the toughest QualComp (-0.07), his QualTeam was even lower (-0.12). That he spent more time on the ice with Steve Staios than any other Oiler is our first clue, while according to HockeyAnalysis.com, his most common linemates were Ethan Moreau (260 minutes), Zack Stortini (250), and a slew of lesser wingers like Steve MacIntyre and Liam Reddox or defencemen cum wingers like Jason Strudwick and even Ladi Smid for goodness sake. Ales Hemsky? Not so much. Curtis Glencross? Not at all.
An odd thing about Brodziak was his home/road splits. You'd expect a fourth-liner to get eaten up on the road where the opposing coach can drive the line match-ups in favour of his squad. That doeszn't quite explain this:
| Home | 39 GP | 3-6-9 | -7 |
| Road | 40 GP | 8-10-18 | +11 |
While obviously there is -- or should I say, was -- room for improvement in the "friendly confines", those road splits are not the sign of a guy who was overwhelmed in tougher matchups.
The most common knock on Brodziak was that he wasn't physical enough for a bottom sixer. I thought he was ideal playing between two grinding wingers like Stortini and GlenX, or even Stortini and Strudwick who along with Kyle put together a nice group of games before Zorg twisted his knee this January. Brodz understands the cycle game, is real good at getting the puck deep where his wingers can either win it outright or make an impression in the attempt, and is also real good at taking the puck from down low and muscling it right into the goal mouth. He had enough offence to post solid shooting percentages of 11.2 and 11.1 (despite zero powerplay time, lest we forget), and to average a dozen goals and 30 points playing with and (mostly) against dregs. That's a damn useful player in my books.
Brodziak was 9th among Oiler forwards in TOI, yet finished 7th in hits which while needing improvement is not the sign of a shrinking violet. Moreover, he comfortably led the forward brigade in blocked shots, and was the only Oiler forward with 50+ GP who had more takeaways than giveaways.
Young, cheap, big, versatile, improving ... for the life of me I can't see why Oilers or any team would give up on a player like this. Unless there are issues behind the scenes we don't know of, this is change for the sake of change. If it was Brodziak for Harding I would swallow hard and say it's likely worth it, but for a fourth and fifth rounder? That's pretty minimal: in Brodziak's draft year, for example, only one fourth rounder -- Jan Hejda! with 202 -- has played more than Kyle's 175 GP; the other 34 fourth-rounders from 2003 have played just 167 games combined. It's just not that good a bet, and for a guy to come from any of the late rounds and make the NHL is very much the exception. Kyle Brodziak has been that exception, so why throw him back now for another roll of the dice against long odds?
Even if Steve Tambellini plans to sign a solid third-line centre over the summer, he's still going to need a solid fourth-line centre. The Oilers already had one, and they just let him go. They didn't exactly release him back into the pond, either; they threw him right into the boat of a divisional rival. I don't understand it.
Oh well, at least we'll get lots of chances to see how he progresses in Minny. Sigh.
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Very nice work Bruce!
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 29, 2009 7:28 AM MDT reply actions
Yes, thank you, Bruce. You just made me hate that trade all over again, just as I was starting to get over it. ;)
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I for one is not shocked
Brodziak for Harding, was not going to happen. A former second round pick, that has played two seasons as a backup (07-08/08-09: with a GAA under 3.00 and a Save% of over 0.9) is not going to get traded for a 4th liner (even one that has upside). MIN would get back at least a 2nd round pick (possible a 1st) if Harding is signed as a RFA. Brodziak plus our second round pick for Harding is a better place to start, if we hoped that trade would go down.
Brodziak scores very low on my aggressive index (Aggressive Penalties per Game Played): at 0.04 for the whole season. The Oiler average for forwards is 0.12, and Brodziak is in the lowest percentile according to all forwards (anyone who played at least one game). As for my ‘saw-him-good’ view of his aggressiveness, it is poor. While he is good at the cycle, he often doesn’t finish his checks and lets his wingers attack the opposing D. Over all Brodziak maybe improving, but he is not bringing the aggression that Tambo/Quinn (or even MacT) wants to see on that fourth line
Does he really need to, though? I mean, Zorg brings that in spades, so does it matter if Brodziak isn’t throwing elbows? If he’s effective, he’s effective, and it’s not like we can’t bring in someone else to take the place of Strudwick/MacIntyre that’s better at hockey and also capable of clobbering fools.
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Contract
The offer should have been $2,550,000 over three years. If he is balking at that, let Minnesota give him an offer sheet and take the pick.
Hey B.C.B. thanks for the welcome. I don’t suppose the hypothetical trade would have been Brodziak for Harding straight up, but that would have made a very reasonable platform for a deal with maybe a pick or two exchanged. Both are coming off entry level contracts and are RFA. In fact their experience curves are very similar; Harding also turned pro in the lockout season and played three “full” (~40 GP as a goalie) seasons in the AHL with cups of big league coffee in each of the last two, before moving up to the bigs to stay in 2007. He has however played just 48 games the last two years, with mixed results. His W-L results have been dreadful: 14-24-3, .378 compared to Backstrom’s 70-37-16, .634 over the same two seasons. Harding’s percentage stats were average-to-poor in 2007-08 when Jacques Lemaire gave him 29 games; this year he was cut back to 19 GP and just 13 decisions. While his Sv% rebounded nicely, Harding posted just 3 of the Wild’s 40 wins in 2008-09; Brodziak had 3 game-winning goals for the Oilers. Not that I equate those two stats; I just don’t feel there’s that much daylight between these two as developing young players. They’ve both encountered a couple of speed bumps along the way.
Moreover, the Wild have nowhere to play Harding going forward, given the big ticket Backstrom just signed. So moving Josh for a useful player would make sense. As it stands they got the useful player and retained the trading chip, so I would conclude he’ll go elsewhere. If Oilers were interested, the framework was in place. And where the markets for goalies is soft, it’s a bull market for young cheap two-way players. Especially ones who can win a draw in their own defensive right faceoff circle.
Re: aggressiveness, as you know I value that highly. I agree that’s an area of Brodziak game that needs work but I thought he was the llinchpin of an aggressive line. He worked well with banging wingers, knew how to take advantage of their strengths, was smart about getting the puck deep and rarely turned it over at the blueline. He’s a big man who uses his range and strength to muscle rather than destroy people, and suspect his hitting game will continue to develop.
I also suspect Kyle will have a lengthy NHL career, at least 500 games barring physical misfortune. He’s been healthy as a horse to this point. Meanwhile, Oilers continue to commit $4.5 MM to Moreau and Pisani who have played just 196 GP over the past two seasons and are clearly on the downslide of their careers.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 29, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Brodziak is not half the penalty killer Pisani is and I rather have the Saint on my team any day (even at over 2 million). I am not sold on Brodziak’s positional play, I found it very weak in the neutral zone and about on par with Poo’s defensive zone play.
I still think the game plan, for the draft, was to move a bottom sixer for draft picks: I would have hoped it was Moreau, but I am not shocked it was Brodziak. I think this represents a shift away from MacT’s ideas: that Poo is a better pivot then Brodziak (and one with higher upside).
What would, everyone, peg Brodziak’s value at (in terms) of draft picks? I think about a fourth, maybe a third at trade deadline, so I don’t see it as that bad of a deal.
Pouliot
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t doubt that MAP has a chance to be a better player than Brodziak, but I don’t think he’s a better fit for a fourth line mule. And they didn’t get enough for him.
Awful trade
Double it to a million bucks, and he still looks like a bargain by the above metric (which is admittedly suspect, and biased against big-ticket players). I’m betting he signs for less.
They could have limited him to only $850,000. Let me quote Scott at the Gospel Of Hockey
As far as (2)is concerned they could have just let him know that they weren’t going to be paying him more than $850,000 per season and that he should go and look for offer sheets and take the highest one he can find. If, by chance, someone gave him more than $850,000 (or so, this is an approximation) and the compensation in return would have been a third round pick which is better than what they received in the trade (Brodziak + 6th for 4th + 5th). I fail to see how letting him go via offer sheet isn’t superior to this trade.
This trade makes no sense on any level.
Nice post, Bruce.
The Only Excuse
Is that there was a log-jam of forwards, they feel Brodziak has less potential than Pouliot/Brule/etc. and Minnesota made the highest offer.
Let’s not forget that Brodziak was repeatedly a healthy scratch this season – and we never got a real explanation as to why. I’d really like to know the rationale that went into this on the Oilers’ side.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 29, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions
Is that there was a log-jam of forwards, they feel Brodziak has less potential than Pouliot/Brule/etc. and Minnesota made the highest offer
The complaint was that there wasn’t a third real center last year. Now they have to go get a second real center and a third real center or they are right back where they started from.
Salary
I’ve heard through his agent (his mother) that the Oilers contract offer “was a joke and wasn’t even close”. I cant imagine what that number would be unless Brodziak is asking for too much money but all signs point to the Oilers not being high on him. I’m not a big fan of the trade because I thought Brodziak could be a good value buy this summer but I’ll reserve judgment fully until I see the replacement within the week. I cant imagine they’d move Cogliano back there but if you factor in injuries, Cogliano would be a decent guy to start on the 4th and move up over the year. I don’t see this happening because apparently the Oilers want some size in their bottom 2 lines. And I’d take Brodziak over Pouliout or Brule.
Unless they’re trying to get him to sign another $500K deal, I can’t see where the problem would be.
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Have to agree
I also did not understand this trade at all. “Aggression” is very easy to come by. Solid faceoff guys who can kill penalties and make less than a mil, not so much. There’s gotta be some other reason.
Log Jam
I heard some comments about the “log jam” of forwards being the reason Brodziak was moved. I feel like a former first rounder like Brule or Pou would have gotten a better return in trade.
We may be making too much over a 4th liner on a worse than average team, but seems like another of the “Death by 1000 cuts”.
At the end of the day, this trade probably isn’t a big deal; I don’t like it, but this isn’t going to kill the team. It’s hard to judge these bit trades on an individual level – we’ll have a much better picture in August once the team has made the majority of its moves.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 29, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Center
There’s just no way they find a center that’s going to be as effective as Brodziak for $850,000 in Free Agency or trade.
“There’s just no way they find a center that’s going to be as effective as Brodziak for $850,000 in Free Agency or trade.”
I think Pouliot can outperform at 950.
Losing Glencross was one thing. He was already playing to 3LW level and brought it every night. No excuse for losing him. Moreau would have been very expendable with GlenX around, and thats a good thing.
Brodziak is a different case. The Oilers are full of young centers and Tambo willing, will have a real 3C this year. Brodziak’s upside was minimal compared to the value of using 4C to develop.
Looking around the league, the template for growing a better team is 2 scoring lines (1 hard, 1 soft), 1 checking line, and 1 line to develop players for the other 3 lines, and those guys better bring it every night or else the next guy plays. Having the luxury of “career” guy on the 4th is left to the cup challengers who may use a rental or 1 year guy to shore up roster.
Having a 4C who isn’t ready for 3C and is not good for this team right now when they a real NHL 3C or Horcoff will burn out. Brodziak is no big loss, and its not death by 1000 cuts because the bandaids are already there (Pouliot, Brule, Potulny) and more are coming (real NHL 3C)
Glencross on the other hand was brutal as he was already ready to be 3LW or even 1-2LW as he proved for a bit in Calgary and there wasn’t a line up of similarly priced players ready to take the spot.
Mutually exclusive??
Having a 4C who isn’t ready for 3C and is not good for this team right now when they a real NHL 3C or Horcoff will burn out.
This keeps coming up at Lowetide’s site too. Why is everyone treating a serviceable 4th center and a willing 3rd center as if they cannot both exist on this team?
Agreed on the death by a thousand cuts. Losing one decent player on a cheap contract is fine. Losing four over the last three years, for the grand total of two draft picks? Come on.
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