2009 SBN Mock Draft: The Oilers Selection
The SBN Mock Draft has been going more or less as expected so far, minus one surprising selection. The master list is over at James Mirtle's site, and the top nine picks break down like this:
- New York Islanders: John Tavares
- Tampa Bay Lightning: Victor Hedman
- Colorado Avalanche: Matt Duchene
- Atlanta Thrashers: Evander Kane
- Los Angeles Kings: Braydon Schenn
- Phoenix Coyotes: Jared Cowen
- Toronto Maple Leafs: Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
- Dallas Stars: Oliver Ekman-Larssen
- Ottawa Senators: Nazem Kadri
I expected Paajarvi-Svensson to go in the fifth spot, and I'd rather hoped that someone would take a wildcard, allowing Nazem Kadri to drop to tenth. With Kadri gone, my list of possibilities (in alphabeitcal order) is this:
- Simon Despres
- Ryan Ellis
- Scott Glennie
- Jacob Josefsson
- Dmitri Kulikov
- Jordan Schroeder
I like all six players, and I tend to think all will have careers. My selection after the jump.
With the tenth overall pick in the 2009 SBN Mock Draft, the Edmonton Oilers are proud to select from the Windsor Spitfires of the Ontario Hockey League, defenseman Ryan Ellis.
This isn't a pick everyone - or even most - will agree with me on. Ellis is small (5' 9-1/4", 173lbs). He's not a bad skater, but he isn't greased lightning either. Most of the major rankings have him slotted between 11-15; and the fact of the matter is that he's a bit of a gamble.
There's a lot of very good information available on Ellis; Guy Flaming wrote a piece critiquing the defenseman which I've referred to previously, and it's a good read. Andrew's Dallas Stars Page does a great job assembling information from different services; I'm going to reprint a couple of the quotes he gathered here. First, Chris Edwards of NHL Central Scouting:
"He's a really smart, heady defenseman. His puck movement is excellent and the way he moves the puck around the zone is excellent. He's a real high-end offensive guy. He's got a great shot and he gets it through to the net. A lot of guys have their shots blocked, but he's got a real knack for getting it through, and that leads to a lot of tip-in and rebound goals. He's a smaller guy, but he's not afraid of taking the body. He shows no fear of getting involved in scrums, he's not intimidated."
Next, Redline Report:
"Yes, he's just 5-9, lacks blazing wheels and is not a very good defender. But you cannot ignore type of poise and native hockey instinct that is rare in 10 year pros, much less 18-year-olds. His off-the-charts hockey sense is the best of anyone, at any position, in this draft. Also one of the best PP quarterbacks to come along in the past five years, and despite his lack of size can absolutely rip a cannon point shot."
I really did think about this pick before I made. Dmitri Kulikov is a dynamic defenseman, and hard to pass on; Scott Glennie adds size and would be the best offensive prospect in the Oilers system, and Jordan Schroeder reminds me a ton of guys like Zach Parise and Phil Kessel.
But Ellis has sold me. His offensive ability is off the charts, even playing for a stacked team. I'll list his 16- and 17-year old seasons here for comparison with the best offensive defensemen drafted out of the OHL over the last ten seasons (note: the number in brackets is the percentage of total team offense each player contributed, adjusted for GP; all players listed in their draft year):
- Ryan Ellis: 57GP - 22G - 67A - 89PTS (34.1%)
- Drew Doughty: 58GP - 13G - 37A - 50PTS (27.5%)
- Bob Sanguinetti: 68GP - 14G - 51A - 65PTS (27.2%)
- Alex Pietrangelo: 36GP - 8G - 21A - 29PTS (25.7%)
- Steve Eminger: 64GP - 19G - 39A - 58PTS (24.0%)
- Michael Del Zottto: 64GP - 16G - 47A - 63PTS (23.1%)
- Rostislav Klesla: 67GP - 16G - 29A - 45PTS (21.4%)
Nobody is even close to Ellis off of this list; Doughty's the closest, but even he's well back. Ellis is also well ahead of players like Greg Hawgood and Kris Russel, who Flaming mentioned as a comparable junior players (Greg Hawgood: 71GP – 34G – 85A – 119PTS (26.9% of offense), Kris Russel: 72GP – 26G – 35A – 61PTS (26.1% of offense)). He's the only 17-year old defenseman in history to lead the OHL in assists, and he's probably the most talented defenseman offensively since I started following the draft.
Plus there's gravy. Ellis was named as being the smartest player, having the hardest shot, and being the best offensive defenseman in an OHL coaches poll; he was also named the OHL's outstanding defenseman at the end of the season. Ellis has won three gold medals in the last two years. He has extensive history and a good relationship with Oilers coach Pat Quinn. Among his defenders are two men who have coached him; all-time great Bobby Orr, and hard-nosed ex-NHL'er Bob Boughner.
"For those people who think because you're small you can't play in this game, he's not very big, but you'll see … he's a heck of a hockey player." -- Bobby Orr
"I've only been in the league three years," Windsor coach Bob Boughner told NHL.com, "and other coaches I talk to, they've never seen a defenseman have an impact in a junior game like Ryan Ellis."
It's a love or hate thing, and I'm sure there are going to be plenty of arguments for other guys, but for my dime I'd take Ellis. As for the notion that hockey sense can't compensate for size and foot speed, Oilers fans really should know better.
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Good choice
I think Ellis is a solid choice. For me, given the options, its a coin flip between him and Kulikov. Ideally, I’d like to see the Oilers move up to 5th choice with LA and take MPS.
JW: On a totally side note, your in a keeper league. You have 2nd overall pick. I’m assuming Taveres goes first. Its a standard points only draft (1/goal and 1/assist). Who do you take:
Hedman
Duchene
Kane
Versteeg
Krejci
Little
Probably Kane
He’s not the best player, but after Tavares I’d guess he puts up the most points. Just a guess, and keep in mind there’s a good chance I don’t know what I’m talking about here.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 19, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats Evander not Patrick. Duchense appears to be a 2 way Toews type forward. Despite this he was the guy I was leaning towards.
Krejci
I’d take Krejci from that group. Assuming it’s David Krejci whose available and not his little brother or something.
Surprised he’s available. He (and Little) were selected in my keeper league two seasons ago.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jun 20, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
As for the notion that hockey sense can’t compensate for size and foot speed, Oilers fans really should know better.
Ladies and gentlemen, Rob Schremp!
Man ellis and schremp are so much different its not even funny. Schremp skating is poor ellis is average. He works harder. He is extremely smart soft spoken and intelligent. That said, I am more for Kulikov. but ellis wont be a bad choice. If the guy works on his skating we could be looking as Dan Boyle ++
Nice pick, Willis. As my blog-reading day begins with Lowetide, I can’t help but wonder if Ellis would spend any amount of time in Springfield before pulling a Junior-size Oilers jersey over his tiny girl arms.
Regardless, I don’t really see it happening in the “more grit” era, but I think he would be an incredible addition to our prospect pool. Especially if one of our Dmen is throwing a bindle over his shoulder this summer.
by Downright Fierce on Jun 19, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions
Whoever takes Kadri will regret it. Skilled yes but a practicing Muslim is a pretty huge red flag IMO. It doesn’t help that his biggest knock on him he’s a puck hog that doesn’t utilize his teammates very well.
Simon Despres is probably the dumbest player in the draft and doesn’t have top 4 potential IMO. I know you shouldn’t judge a player from one tournament but his lack of hockey sense was on full display at the U 18’s.
Taking Ellis over Kulikov would be wrong IMO. Both have top pairing potential but Kulikov has a much better chance at getting there.
I also hope we pass on Glennie. Good bet to have an NHL career but I doubt it will be on the 1st or even 2nd line.
Out of your list provided I’d go with Schroeder or Kulikov but as of right now I hope we go with Chris Kreider.
Kreider/Despres
I haven’t seen Despres play, but he had a great defensive year on a crap team, and he was playing tough minutes according to multiple scouts. Is his hockey snese lacking offensively, or positionally as well from what you saw?
As for Kreider, do you really think he’ll be a top-six guy? His results in a poor league are worrying, despite his obvious talents; that’s why I didn’t consider him. It’s a personal opinion and I don’t have a perfect picture, but I think Glennie’s well above him at this point.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 19, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
a practicing Muslim is a pretty huge red flag IMO
What the hell does this have to do with anything? Besides establishing your opinion as prejudiced and borderline discriminatory.
by Downright Fierce on Jun 19, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Practicing Muslim
I know a few, and I’ve been trying to figure out where the problem would lie. The only thing I can see is that it might make integrating with the team difficult, but it hasn’t stopped him from being successful in junior so I don’t see it being a problem in the NHL either.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 19, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Practicing Muslims
I heard Kadri mention that some teams had concern about Ramadan, so I hope that’s what the original poster was referring to. Truthfully, it could make the daily grind of practice and games difficult if it occurs during the season (which it doesn’t appear to for the next couple years anyway)
Most likely know, but Ramadan “is the Islamic month of fasting, in which participating Muslims do not eat or drink anything from true dawn until sunset.” (complements of wiki)
Ellis and Schremp
Both share some of the same criticisms, but Ellis’ offensive potential is higher than Schremp’s, regardless of the positions they play.
That said, I can’t see Ellis ever being more than a 5/6 PP specialist in the NHL.
JW: I don’t know about the offensive side but from what I seen it takes Despres 3x as long to process any play compared to other players. I’d give him an “F” in hockey sense and that’s enough for me to walk away.
I’ve never seen Kreider play but he aced the combine and the reports I’ve seen have sold me on him. I think he’s a top 6 guy.
Downright Fierce:
You’d be a fool to think it didn’t come up in teams’ meetings.
You didn’t say it came up in team meetings. You said that, in your opinion, it’s “a pretty huge red flag.” I’d like to know what it is about a practising muslim on a professional hockey team that raises that flag for you. Willis mentioned integration/team chemistry problems, but, as he said, Kadri’s making it work in junior, so there’s very little to worry about there. The only other issue I could possibly see is the fasting required for Ramadan (as mentioned by eyedubya), but over the next few years it takes place over the summer. So: no problem. Hell, even if it overlapped, the sun sets pretty early in most places during the hockey season. Definitely early enough that he could grab a bite in the first intermission.
If you are convinced that, behind closed doors, scouts and management are drawing a big red line through Kadri’s name because of his faith, then I think you are the foolish one. Despite the perception of hockey higher-ups as Good Ol’ Boys, it’s asinine to think that they are so close-minded that they would pass on a highly-skilled prospect due to his faith (if he fit their system, of course).
by Downright Fierce on Jun 19, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Americans/Conditioning
The U.S. players all seem to have a massive advantage at the combine; everyone out of the US NTDP did well and it sounds like most of the high school/USHL/college types did too. Definitely something for Hockey Canada and the CHL to look at fixing.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 19, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Americans
I assume this is only because the Americans end their season early and start training for the combine. CHL goes later in the year, especially for those in the Memorial Cup, so they dont get to hit the gym 12 hours a day. Personally I wouldnt put too much stock in the combine. Sure, it gives a read on certain things about the players, but the ones who have been off ice for 2 months have a huge advantage to those only a week or two. If I was a scout/coach/gm/whatever, I would rather my prospect to play as much and as late as possible, to get the experience as well as getting used to 80+ games a season
Good point.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 19, 2009 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed. It gives you a snapshot of what kind of shape a player’s in in May or June, but that’s hardly relevant come September when on-ice workouts start.
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Rethinking Kadri
My latest over at ON puts him in an unflattering light.
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by Jonathan Willis on Jun 20, 2009 7:50 AM MDT reply actions
Do you think the Coyotoes/Avalanche would be willing to move their pick?
And I hope the Oilers don’t pick Kadri. Welcome to Schremp version 2.
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