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Eric Staal's a fine example of how a player's playoff hot streak can take on a life of its own.  He has nine goals in twelve playoff games so far with a 19.1 shooting percentage, inspiring Jason Gregor to laud him in his latest bit at OilersNation.

We had a bit of an argument after that, where I attempted to point out that had Staal maintained that average over the course of this past season he would have scored 71 goals rather than 45, or 238 goals since the lockout rather than the (very respectable) 153 he did score.  Thus, I argued, while Staal is a fine hockey player it seems likely that he's getting lucky to some extent.

Gregor disagreed, contending that Staal was simply a "clutch" player and we went back and forth a bit in the comments section of the article linked above.  I wasn't prepared for this comment:

Who cares what [Staal's] shooting % is?

Crosby is at 19.2, Zetterberg 19.4, Franzen 24.1 Kane 28.6, Savard 31.3. Are their shooting percentages making them look better than they are, or are they just dominant players.


Obviously, all of them are good players.  Just as obviously, all of them are on a bit of a lucky streak right now.  Here are the career averages for each player, with their current playoff pace in bold:

  • Staal: 11.6 average, 19.1 current 
  • Crosby: 14.1 average, 19.2 current
  • Zetterberg: 12.8 average, 19.4 current
  • Franzen: 11.6 average, 24.1 current
  • Kane: 10.3 average, 28.6 current
  • Savard: 10.9 average, 31.3 current

Savard is the most obvious example; if he could triple his ability to make his shots simply of his own volition (without external factors), do you think he'd do it?  Is it just a result of him being more focused (as Gregor has contended)?  Obviously not.

The short, ugly way of stating this is that it's a fluke; he's a good player but everything's going in for him - and that applies to a lesser degree to every player on this list.

Tyler's shown the two-thirds regression at his site, but these examples are so obvious that simple common sense should kick in.  Apparently though it isn't that obvious to everyone.

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First off, I largely agree with what you’re saying here about luck. There are, however, a bunch of other explanations for something like a playoff series. One thing that’s different about the playoffs is the small sample of goalies. It does seem at least possible to me that Savard might be better suited to scoring on some goalies (in this case Price and Ward) than others (everybody else). The other thing is that it’s also possible he’s averaging more scoring chances per shot in this sample of games than he does over the course of his career because the defenders he’s playing against are generally of poorer quality. This seems less likely to me since one would expect most playoff teams to be at least average defensively but it does also seem possible. The most likely explanation is luck of course… but there are many less variables in the playoffs when compiling statistics than there are in the regular season.

by Scott Reynolds on May 12, 2009 1:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Good point...

But even if it is a factor like “good against goalie X” or whatever the case might be, it doesn’t change the fact that the number is unsustainable – which is the important point here.

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by Jonathan Willis on May 12, 2009 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

I really do think luck is a huge factor in these numbers so I’ll just say that at the outset. In some cases, however, I’m not sure that luck needs to be the driving factor to explain variance. Perhaps Crosby really does shoot 5% better against Biron and Varlamov than against the field. Maybe the Caps and Flyers allow more scoring chances per shot in general which would pump up his averages. Maybe Crosby is taking a higher percentage of his shots on the PP, in which case it’s not the shooting percentage that’s unsustainable but the ratio of EV to PP shots which probably doesn’t have nearly as much to do with luck (unless the # of PP’s is a function primarily of luck). But 20% better? That seems unbelievable (I’m looking at you Savard).

As for playoff performance in general, the sample is just going to be small and when we’re talking about “sustainability” I’m not sure it really matters that much over a period of (at most) 28 games. Now taking any playoff performance in isolation and turning that into one’s expectations for the upcoming regular season (or four… I’m looking at you Pisani) is foolishness. Things will even out more over 82 games (and even more over 328 games) than they will over 16-28 games in a long playoff run. Using words like “sustainable” and “variance” as opposed to luck is also a bit of an issue. A lot of people (I imagine Gregor among them though I don’t know him) will at least acknowledge that they don’t expect 70 some odd goal seasons out of Staal, i.e. they will acknowledge that his play is “unsustainable.” They just won’t attribute it to luck. It will be because of added focus, high levels of confidence or other jazz like that. Personally, I think it’s mostly luck with a bit of the other stuff sprinkled in but the language of “unsustainability” and “variance” leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

by Scott Reynolds on May 12, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I understand what your saying and it seems intuitive, but as Vic and the Contrarian Goalie are starting to show us with their work, there is precious little to choose from between NHL teams when it comes to quality of defenders/systems/goaltending. Certainly nothing that would explain a doubling or tripling of SH%. Besides, these are some of the best teams playing each other – no one is beating up on the woeful Islanders here.

Jon’s right – the issue is almost completely variance and small samples. For example, Toddd Bertuzzi scored 7 goals in his first 12 games as a Flame this year. While some were busy lauding the signing as a success and marveling Bert’s resurrection at the time, I pointed out his 28% shooting rate was absurdly high and bound to come crashing down. He ended the season with 15 goals and an 11% shooting rate.

by Kent Wilson on May 12, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ya JW your comments are bang on but your conclusions are a bit too bold. Its unlikely that Staal can maintain his shooting % but you could say the same thing for Pisani at game 1 of the SCF in 2006. Unsustainable shooting % maybe be the case but calling Staal lucky is a discredit to how good he has been in these playoffs. There is too much variance from game to game or series to series to conclude much for the rest of the playoffs.

by puckdonkey on May 12, 2009 9:55 AM MDT reply actions  

What now?

Unsustainable shooting % maybe be the case but calling Staal lucky is a discredit to how good he has been in these playoffs.

This contradicts itself.

by Derek Zona on May 12, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I look at it is this way: every shot is a lottery ticket, with the prize being a “goal” and the chances of winning a prize roughly stable for each player depending on where the shot is taken. Let’s say, the average across locations and players is 10%. One in ten lottery tickets will be a winner. Some players, like Ovechkin, “buy” lots and lots of lottery tickets, resulting in more prizes. And some guys just happen get more winning tickets than losers over brief periods and it probably has nothing to do with personally attributable qualities like “wanting it more” or “being clutch”. The chances of getting heads with every flip of the coin is 50%, but sometimes you’ll just happen to hit 5 heads in a row. It doesn’t mean the coin is loaded and it doesn’t mean you’re a great heads-flipper: it’s just chance and sample size.

Which isn’t necessarily to deride the performances of guys like Kane or Staal – these are obviously good players who are getting into positions to score. But, at other times or in an alternate universe, some of the very same shots they are scoring on now would hit legs, go off the post, miss the net by 6 inches or be stopped by the goalie. Similarly, that wouldn’t necessarily make them “play-off chokers” either.

by Kent Wilson on May 12, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions  

Kent’s done a good job of arguing the point I’m making here, so I’ll only add a couple of things.

1) All of these guys are good players, so this isn’t to take away from their performance; just to point out that right now they’re performing well above their established level of ability for goal scoring – in some cases (Crosby) at 135% while in others (Savard) it’s closer to 300%. That isn’t to say these guys aren’t good players (they are) just that it would be foolish to expect this to happen year in and year out – or even from one series to the next.

2) On the goaltending side of things, let’s use the Crosby jump (since it’s the least dramatic). He went from a 14.1% avg. to a 19.2 avg. in the post season. Flipping that, it means the goalies facing him went from a .859 SV% to a .808 SV% – a drop that seems to great to be consistently true. Varlamov and Biron aren’t that far below the league average. It gets worse with each progressive example – culminating in Savard, where goaltenders went from a .891 SV% to .687 SV%. I don’t care what you think of Price and Ward – they aren’t that bad.

It's only my opinion, but it's right.

Writer for The Copper & Blue, OilersNation, and CanucksArmy.

by Jonathan Willis on May 12, 2009 11:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Obtuse

Aw c’mon JW. Clearly Fedotenko’s 28% SP in 03-04 was just a measure of how good he is.

by Derek Zona on May 12, 2009 2:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Well said

Over pretty much any 10-12 game stretch of the regular season, you’ll see some stars on a torrid scoring pace, while others go ice-cold.

But this is the very nature of the playoffs; you trim down the contestants, have them play a select number of games and determine a champion. Total regular season results are irrelevant, other than determining home ice for one extra game during a series.

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by Dirk Hoag on May 12, 2009 2:12 PM MDT reply actions  

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