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How The Oilers Feel About Dustin Penner

Dustin Penner’s season in 10-game segments:

Oct. 12 – Nov. 1: 10GP - 2G – 0A – 2PTS, +2

Nov. 2 – Nov. 29: 10GP – 3G – 3A – 6PTS, +6

Nov. 30 – Dec. 22: 10GP – 4G – 3A – 7PTS, -2

Dec. 26 – Jan. 13: 10GP – 1G -3A – 4PTS, -4

Jan. 15 – Feb. 7: 10GP – 2G – 3A – 5PTS, -1

Feb.8 – Feb. 28: 10GP – 2G – 3A – 5PTS, +2

Mar. 3 – Mar. 24: 10GP – 1G – 4A – 5PTS, +3

Mar. 26 – Apr. 10: 8GP – 2G – 1A – 3PTS, +1

Penner was first called out by Craig MacTavish on November 16th. At the time, he had 1 goal and 1 assist (and a +5 rating) over the previous ten games. Over the next ten games he recorded five goals, five assists and a +4 rating. Before we praise Craig MacTavish as a motivational genius though, it’s a good idea to view the context.

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Over the ten games prior to being called out in the media and healthy-scratched, Penner was bouncing between the third line and the fourth line. Over the ten games after being called out, Penner played two on the second line with Gagner and Nilsson before being promoted to the first line with Horcoff and Hemsky. It’s also worth noting that to start the season, Penner was placed on the RW of an ineffective third line with Ethan Moreau on LW and Fernando Pisani at centre – a position he stayed at for the first eight games of the season.

My feeling is that Penner was used ineffectively by MacTavish, but also that both MacTavish and the Oilers as a whole had decided that Penner was not first line material. At the start of the season MacTavish (who gave Penner a ton of opportunity in 2007-08) banished Penner to the third line and replaced him on the power-play with Erik Cole. How much did that matter?

Penner’s production at even-strength actually increased over last season, but MacTavish slashed his ice-time by more than two minutes per game. His power-play points production declined slightly, although it should be noted that the power-play was at its highest efficiency with Penner in front of the net; despite this MacTavish knocked him from the first to second unit for much of the year, meaning that Penner averaged about a minute less per game with the man advantage overall.

Penner did not have a great season and much of the blame for his current predicament rests on his shoulders; however, he vastly improved upon his performance over the previous season, and Craig MacTavish responded by using him less and not using him to his strengths. My suspicion is that MacTavish felt he gave Penner too much rope in 2007-08 (he was generous with ice-time, and Penner was given choice linemates) and had decided, along with the rest of the organization that Penner really wasn’t suited to first line work. When Penner came back as an improved player it wasn’t enough; the organization repeatedly tried other options because they’d already made up their mind. It seems obvious, based on their moves in the summer and over the season – the full list of players they either wanted to try or actually tried is impressive:

  • Marian Hossa (summer)
  • Jaromir Jagr (summer)
  • Erik Cole
  • Robert Nilsson
  • Ethan Moreau
  • Liam Reddox
  • Ales Kotalik
  • Patrick O’Sullivan

It’s an extensive list, and it shows where this team’s mindset is on Penner because at least five of the players on that list were decidedly less qualified than Penner for the position. The Edmonton Oilers (with some justification) don’t view Dustin Penner as a first-line option, and a new coach may or may not change that. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him moved for whatever they can get this summer, although it would probably be a mistake if they did.

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I’m significantly torn on how I feel about Penner. I don’t like him as a personality, sure, but as a player? He’s clearly effective in a very specific role, but probably not enough overall to be worth $4.25M a year, especially with zero physical play and a not particularly laudable work ethic. If we could dump him for any sort of return would we be able to find someone else to play LW at a slightly higher cost, but a higher efficiency?

I just wish we had signed Ryan Smyth for anything under $5.5M and washed our hands of the entire thing.

by Quain on Apr 20, 2009 1:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Penner

Tambellini wants size.

Were are we going to get a LW/C who outscores the opposition at even around 1 goal every 5 games. That puts you in the top 15. How many of the top 20 are available the list by rank:

1. TOMASHOLMSTROM
2. ALEXANDERSEMIN
3. PHILKESSEL
4. RENEBOURQUE
5. RUSLANFEDOTENKO
6. DANIELSEDIN
7. ZACHPARISE
8. ANDREWLADD
9. MILANLUCIC
10. ALEXTANGUAY
11. PATRIKELIAS
12. DAVIDPERRON
13. MICHAELFROLIK
14. DUSTINPENNER
15. SIMONGAGNE
16. DAVIDBOOTH
17. ALEXANDEROVECHKIN
18. RICKNASH
19. CHRISKUNITZ
20. RYANECLOWE

How many of them are 6’3" ; 220lbs;

And play him on the power play it is not like he was in the top 25 PPG/60 his first two years. Umh, look his first year he was 2.30PPG/60 which ranked #28 for forwards and last year he was 2.44PPG/60 which ranks #20 for forwards. Ahhhh. MacT Nice move to keep him off the power play.

Its not like players score at a 30% better clip when he plays on there lines.

JW: How do you replace him for less?

by rickithebear on Apr 20, 2009 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Don't Misunderstand Me...

I have no desire to see Penner leave town. He’s shown progress year over year, and he can be a valuable piece of the puzzle. I just feel that the organization’s love for him has diminished by a whole lot.

It's only my opinion, but it's right.

Writer for The Copper & Blue, OilersNation, and CanucksArmy.

by Jonathan Willis on Apr 20, 2009 1:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Not now

(Copying my late comment from the end of the previous Penner thread to the fresh one)

This would be the worst possible time for the org. to move Penner, cuz his value will never be lower. His numbers fell off a little this year, largely due to reduced ice time on the powerplay (just 5 PPG after 13 last year). At even strength his game improved significantly; despite bouncing around from the 1st through the 4th lines and spending time at all three forward positions, Dustin’s +/- soared from -12 to +7 in 2008-09, tied with Horcoff for best among Oiler forwards. That was hardly a fluke as Penner’s underlying numbers (shots, Corsi, etc.) were best on the club. I hope the org. will be patient enough to give him a fresh opportunity with a new coach. Dustin could really help himself by showing up to camp with something to prove, cuz MacT was certainly correct that he’s capable of much more.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Apr 20, 2009 2:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Fan Pressure

Do you think, that in any way, that MacT succumbed to fan pressure or conventional “misrepresentation” of Penner by demoting him despite his EV numbers? I think either Staples, Brownlee or Gregor once wrote a piece about how MacT reads online forums/blogs about the Oilers and was aware of the conception that he turns offensive players into “checking forwards.” The overwhelming fan perception of Penner is that he is “out of shape,” “lazy,” or “good-for-nothing,” but how much of this perception is grounded on sound evidence rather than pure speculation? I don’t have access to Penner’s BMI, dietary plans, or anything else of that sort. How about what we see on the ice? We’ve all seen that Penner has speed though some contest he has a “lazy stride.” I wouldn’t go so far as to say MacT made decisions based on fan pressure, but I wouldn’t think it’s out of the question to suggest that much of Penner’s misfortune under MacT can be attributed to a general misconception of his value to the team.

What do you think, JW?

by raventalon40 on Apr 21, 2009 2:17 AM MDT reply actions  

I very much doubt that MacTavish ever made a move based on fan pressure; after all, the fans may not have liked Penner on the first line, but MacT moved Reddox there briefly and that’s not a move you make to appease the message boards.

It's only my opinion, but it's right.

Writer for The Copper & Blue, OilersNation, and CanucksArmy.

by Jonathan Willis on Apr 21, 2009 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great counterexample.

by raventalon40 on Apr 21, 2009 3:59 PM MDT reply actions  

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