An Interview with Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett
News came in on Wednesday that Oklahoma City had agreed to a lease for the Cox Center with Prodigal Hockey LLC, a deal that will enable an AHL franchise to move to Oklahoma City. Oiler fans may remember that the Oilers have previously expressed interest in Oklahoma City as a potential market for their own AHL affiliate, currently tied to the Springfield Falcons. In early July, Oilers President Patrick LaForge told Dan Barnes of the Edmonton Journal:
"Yes, we have an interest in Oklahoma City as a market. Of course, we wish them luck and hope to do business with them (all terms to be determined) if and when they are legally clear and ready for entering into a negotiation. I also hope we can get to that point soon because the 2010-11 AHL season is closer than we think."
Oklahoma City has been a strong market for minor-league hockey. Their most recent franchise, the Central Hockey League's Oklahoma City Blazers, drew 8,000 fans per game at the Ford Center. The Blazers ceased operations July, blaming economic conditions as the reason for withdrawing from lease negotiations with the city and closing shop, leaving behind a legacy of the most successful franchise in CHL history. The ownership group began immediate negotiations with the AHL in an attempt to bring a franchise to the city.
To get a closer look at Oklahoma City's impending AHL franchise, their lease deal and the city itself, I spoke with Mayor Mick Cornett. Cornett was a sports reporter and and anchor in Oklahoma City for twenty years prior to entering politics and was the play-by-play man for the Oklahoma Wranglers of the Arena Football League. Mayor Cornett is wildly popular in Oklahoma City, having served since 2004, and in 2006 was re-elected as Mayor by the widest margin in the city's history. He was instrumental in arranging for Oklahoma City to serve as host for the New Orleans Hornets during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and played a large role bringing the NBA's Oklahoma City Thunder to the city.
I'd like to thank Mayor Cornett for taking the time to talk to us about the lease and new franchise.
C&B: With all of the work that you did in bringing basketball to Oklahoma City, including bringing the New Orleans team in to play during Katrina and the aftermath and bringing a franchise to the city permanently, can we assume that this was one of your initiatives as well?
Mayor Cornett: Well, in a sense. I want Oklahoma City to have the best brand of hockey that it can support. I feel like we're a really good hockey market, we've supported hockey in the past and I think our market has matured to the point where we deserve and can support a higher level of play. We almost got an NHL franchise in 1998. We came right on the edge of getting one, but I think Columbus got the franchise. We were in the final running for it but didn't get it. I think that was reflective of the growing market and the fact that we've supported hockey. In 2005, when I was seeking a major league sport, I was in New York meeting with Commissioner Bettman and Commissioner Stern, then Katrina occurred and ultimately things took off in a different direction. I was seeking an NHL franchise or an NBA franchise at that point, but hockey was in a work stoppage at the time.
C&B: When I was looking into Oklahoma City hockey, I was shocked to learn that the Blazers were drawing over 8,000 fans a night including 1,800 corporate ticket holders, which was really amazing to me. Do you expect even more support for an AHL franchise?
Mayor Cornett: It's a really interesting question. I was looking at it myself and trying to be objective about it. If you look at the history of hockey in our market, we hard our first team in 1965. That franchise, we were dealing with the CHL which was essentially "Triple A" hockey at the time for Boston and Minnesota, lasted until the early 1980's. At that time, the market had just slipped to the point where it wasn't worth doing anymore and we didn't have hockey for about ten years. Then new people came in and brought a new league which in the beginning the league owned all of the franchises in then what was the new Central Hockey League and the thing was just gangbusters.
One of the things to remember in Oklahoma City, when you've got hockey, you own the sport. In basketball, we've got high school basketball, college basketball, all sorts of basketball going on. If you're doing this with hockey, it's pretty much yours. I think that helps the business model. The key here will be that if the market matured with this last Central Hockey League team, do they start with a new round of enthusiasm, or do they pick up where they left off? I think it's going to be somewhere in between, but that's just guesswork on my part. The market's changed because of the NBA experience. We're now in our fourth NBA season if you count the Hornets. Because of that there is a higher capacity for sponsorship dollars. The Blazers pushed the market to the limit of what they could get and now with the NBA in town, the market is suddenly used to much higher figures being presented to them. I think there's a nice increase for hockey, it will be well below what the NBA team is getting, but hockey will be getting more than it was just a couple of years ago.
C&B: What will forty plus games in the arena mean to the city?
Mayor Cornett: Well our downtown has a lot of vitality to it, and getting another forty nights builds up the restaurants and the parking garages and hopefully fills up the arena. You can't ignore the economic impact of professional sports and having a hockey team down there that's going to play that many games. It's significant.
C&B: A friend of mine attended a few Blazers games and was surprised at how busy downtown Oklahoma City was. A bustling downtown area is not something that comes to mind when you think of Oklahoma City.
Mayor Cornett: We're fairly new to being a great city to visit. We've always been a good place to live and a great place to raise a family. But it wasn't until this decade that we've become a good place to visit and our tourism numbers have increased exponentially. It's to the point now that events succeed because they're downtown. People are looking for reasons to come to downtown Oklahoma City from all over the region and if you give them an event, in this case hockey, people will come because they're looking for reasons to come down there. We have a great entertainment district that's just adjacent to the arena, so people travel regionally to come see what we have to offer. I think that there will be great interest at this higher level of hockey for people to see what they have in store.
C&B: The Cox Center has an impressive capacity for an AHL team, 13,399, which is a big a venue for an AHL team. You're also doing $4.5 million in renovations to the arena - are there other hockey events in the future, regional tournaments, things like that in the future of the arena?
Mayor Cornett: I would pursue whatever the market can reach. That will be up to the ownership group as to what they want to pursue.
C&B: When do you plan on the renovations being completed?
Mayor Cornett: That's a good question as I haven't seen the timetable. Interestingly, we're also improving the basketball arena at the same time - we're putting $100 million into that facility. There's a lot going on in our sports arenas, but I don't have a timetable for this. Part of the capital improvements here are going towards the ice-making equipment to make sure that it meets the standards that the NHL is going to demand for it's affiliated teams.
C&B: Teams in the south are often chided for having bad or choppy surfaces, so it's interesting that the city is putting the forethought into the playing surface standards.
Mayor Cornett: We want the NHL to feel good about their player's safety and the caliber of play and we want Oklahoma City to be a good experience for them. We feel our reputation is on the line when there is a game being played. It's our arena and it reflects on us so we don't want other teams in the league speaking poorly of our arena or our ice.
C&B: The trend lately has been that publicly-financed stadium and arena construction is a much harder sell to the taxpayers. Did you have trouble selling the renovations to the Cox Center and the Ford Center?
Mayor Cornett: We're a little different. We have had great success getting our citizens to invest in projects like this. Last week we passing a nearly-billion dollar initiative to build a new convention center, a new transit system downtown, new parks downtown and some other things. It largely wasn't sports-related, but to go, in this economy, to your voters and ask them to tax themselves for public improvements is pretty bold to try and to be successful, which we were, I think speaks well to our economy and to the faith that they have in this project. I suspect that what you'll see a slight ticket surcharge to pay for the capital expense. Also, it should be noted that since we're going to be building a new convention center, the facility that we're discussing, the Cox Center, will probably have a new convention center in ten years. Ten years is a long time, but we'll be opening up a new convention center and it won't have a sports arena in it. So beyond ten years I don't know where we'll be playing hockey. I don't know if we'll move back over to the Ford Center or what we'll do with the AHL franchise. We could stay where we are. We have no plans to tear down the existing center, but we have plans for the new convention center, and we've put off a next-use or continued-use for that building because we don't have to make that decision today.
C&B: To switch topics up a bit, you're back in business with the Funk family. The lease agreement was signed with Prodigal Hockey, which is run by Bob Funk Jr. - did the previous group and the Funk family have an active role in the community and do you expect that to continue?
Mayor Cornett: Yes. Bob Funk Jr., who we're talking about now, his father held a little bit of a more active role previously, but I think this will be his franchise to run, as I see it. They're a very prominent family in the community, they've created a lot of jobs, they also own the baseball team and they've been very supportive of wanting Oklahoma City to have the best. One of the reasons they wanted to own the hockey team and the baseball team is that they didn't want outside owners coming in and moving the franchise. I think that they did it for the right reasons. When you're a mayor, what you look for is local ownership who cares more about the city than they do their own bottom line. And although everybody wants to make a profit or at least break even in professional sports, it's nice to know that they're not looking at this as a make or break investment.
C&B: I did notice that the lease has an opt-out after five years for the leaseholder. Is that a business decision based on some of the changes that you mentioned previously, or is there a different long-term plan for Prodigal Hockey and the arena?
Mayor Cornett: I can't speak to it because I wasn't part of the negotiations. I can tell you that we want them to be successful and we will do everything feasible to see that they are successful. Any length of time there is just numbers - we'd like to think that this team is going to be around for twenty years.
C&B: Are you aware of any teams that are currently interested in affiliating with Prodigal Hockey and Oklahoma City?
Mayor Cornett: I don't have any first-hand knowledge of it. Even if I did, I'd let the team make the announcements, I wouldn't want to rain on their parade. I've read the stories about Edmonton's interest in that type of thing, but I don't have any first-hand knowledge of which teams, if any, they are talking to at this point.
C&B: Are there direct flights from Oklahoma City to Edmonton?
Mayor Cornett: There are no direct flights to Edmonton.
C&B: Are you a hockey fan?
Mayor Cornett: I am. I was a television sportscaster for nearly twenty years and I covered a lot of games involving the Blazers through that time period.
C&B: Do you plan on being a ticket holder or attending games with the new AHL team?
Mayor Cornett: I'll be there.
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Nice interview Derek. I’ll admit that OKC doesn’t exactly strike me as the first place on the map I’d think a team could make it, but from the mayor’s confidence and the history of hockey there it seems like a nice fit.
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I had the same viewpoint, but everyone is relatively confident about this. If they could get 8,000 for the CHL, they should be able to pull the same for the AHL – and that would put them second in the AHL in average attendance.
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From television sportscaster to mayor? That’s quite the career change.
8,000 fans is a damn good minor league draw. Shocking that the plug would get pulled on a franchise with that sort of track record. Sabre-rattling in lease (re-)negotiations is one thing, but usually when there is a demand for something things have a way of magically working out. Must suck to be a hockey fan in OKC this season, and I hope they wind up in a higher league for their troubles.
Thanks for this, Derek (and Mick!).
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8,000 fans is a damn good minor league draw.
Especially for the CHL. I was shocked when I read that. 1,800 corporate tickets for the CHL is nothing short of amazing.
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I’ve spent some time in Oklahoma. The Ford Center is a great barn with the only competition for fans being the OU club team …. which is also a fun time although they play at nothing more than a public rink on the south end of town.
In addition to minor league hockey in OKC, the area has a NAHL team in Wichita Falls, TX … an our and a half or so south.
I’m just not sure that OKC is going to be on the AHL’s radar. They already have three teams in Texas … one in Oklahoma would be quite a commitment to that region.
The entire deal hinges on Prodigal Hockey being able to land a franchise by year-end. They obviously feel that they are close enough to do a deal like this.
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I’m just not sure that OKC is going to be on the AHL’s radar. They already have three teams in Texas … one in Oklahoma would be quite a commitment to that region.
Several teams in a region makes it more viable, not less. The AHL used to have an Atlantic Division with several teams across the four Atlantic provinces. Worked great for travel and rivalries. When some of the markets dried up, the others were doomed. In the end St. John’s was drawing well but teams were coming from a long way out and complained about the expenses.
Exact same thing happened here in Edmonton in the Pacific Coast League (Triple A baseball). We were fine when Calgary and Vancouver had teams, lots of games between them and also sensible trips where US-based teams would pass through customs once or twice a year for a 12-game tour. But when Vancouver and Calgary went down, Edmonton was doomed.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Dec 20, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
A current Oklahoma City resident and major Oilers fan here.
I was rather shocked when the Blazers suddenly folded. It speaks of how much the lease at the Ford Centre must have drained money from the franchise. The Myriad (or “Cox Convention Centre” as I refuse to call it) was the home of the glory years of the OKC Blazers. WIth some renovations and new ice-making equipment, I see no problem having the AHL in Oklahoma. I think the atmosphere was far better in the Myriad than it ever was at the Ford Centre, but that’s just me. Certainly the seats were bigger!
Don’t poo-poo Oklahoma City as a great place to put the farm team — it mirrors Edmonton in many ways, having weathered the recession far better than most of the USA, and attracted several major corporations to plant roots.
Don’t poo-poo Oklahoma City as a great place to put the farm team — it mirrors Edmonton in many ways, having weathered the recession far better than most of the USA, and attracted several major corporations to plant roots.
Did the Blazers troubles leave a bad taste in the hockey community’s mouth, or do you think that the new AHL team will draw as well or better than the Blazers?
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I can really only say what I’ve seen, but I think a lot of other people here were upset at the sudden loss of the Blazers as well. I’m inclined to agree with Mayor Cornett — if the AHL came here, I don’t think we’re looking at 8,000+ attendance from day one. The main issue is going to be competition for sports dollars from the NBA team, who are going to get the prime treatment over an AHL team any day.
That being said, Blazers fans were quite enthusiastic about their team, and if the Oilers can recapture that, I think Oklahoma City could be a very stable long-term farm team location.
The main issue is going to be competition for sports dollars from the NBA team, who are going to get the prime treatment over an AHL team any day.
Is that going to be a big issue, considering average AHL ticket price is $14?
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Very fascinating
At first read, I was very surprised to see hockey have a successful result in a southern market like Oklahoma City. Judging by the history of the Blazers, though, I think OKC could be an ideal place for hockey.
Nice work!
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Just as an FYI
Before the rebirth of the “new” CHL, the Blazers had been a fairly successful farm team of the Boston Bruins in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s.
I don’t know about the financials of the Blazers situation, but with the Thunder moving in, clearly the Blazers weren’t getting the prime dates they had been getting previously. So starting the new AHL club at the Cox Center will be a benefit from that standpoint, as well as from a financial standpoint.
Besides, I always loved going to Blazer games at the Myriad. The seats were literally right on top of the rink and the crowds were always into it (especially when Tulsa was in town). There wasn’t any venue like it in the CHL.
And I have no doubt the area would support an AHL team as well with rivals already planted in many of the same cities that hosted CHL teams previously. Should setup quite the I-35 corridor rivalry with teams in San Antonio and Cedar Park (Austin area).
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I take it that you’re local to the area?
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I’m not going to disagree that a grouping of local teams is good for forming rivalries … I’m just not sure that the Texas/Oklahoma region is where the AHL is going to set this mini-division. In reality, OKC would be one of the stronger markets down here. The talk of the Ice Edge wanting a team in Thunder Bay raises questions about the Rampage and the Texas Stars are issuing a ton of comps to get butts in the barn (cheap parking at $10 and $7 beers aren’t the most conducive ideas to build a fan base).
Sadly the AHL is a league of constantly changing team locations and affiliations.
There’s a pretty incredible level of ignorance in that comment, 101st.
1.) The Ice Edge interest in Thunder Bay has no impact on the Rampage, despite Phoenix’s current affiliation with San Antonio. The NBA’s Spurs (not the Coyotes) own the Rampage, and Phoenix would have to buy and move a different AHL franchise or affiliate with a different franchise and hope it moves in order to pull of their Thunder Bay maneuver.
2.) The Texas Stars may be struggling at the gate a little, but there are numerous factors for that, and they certainly aren’t going anywhere given that Dallas owns the team and has stated a ridiculous number of times how strongly they desire their AHL team to be in Austin to build up the parent club’s fanbase. The Texas Stars biggest issues revolve around A.) location – the Stars are in Cedar Park, a city 16 miles away from Austin. As Texans will attest, this means getting to Cedar Park can take up to 45 minutes in Austin traffic. B.) the economy (as with most teams) C.) the success of Texas Longhorns football and basketball (both of which are ranked #2 right now) this year has limited what remains of local residents’ disposable income, and D.) they’re new (shocking), and this isn’t the best year to build up a fanbase thanks to factors A-C.
by VA Libertarian on Dec 21, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Even if the Rampage remain, the issue of affiliation remains if Ice Edge were to purchase the Yotes and establish their affiliate in Thunder Bay. Affiliation changes impact AHL franchises and if the Yotes pull their affiliation the question becomes what NHL franchise would be willing to enter into an affiliation agreement with a the Rampage. Note that I said an affiliation change would raise questions with the San Antonio franchise … didn’t say anything about a sale.
As a Texas Stars STH, I appreciate you telling me about traffic and the location of the franchise. I was unaware of how long it took for me to drive to games, the location of the arena in relation to the major population concentrations in the area, etc … thank you for enlightening me. A-D are all true, but in no way negate the fact that the Stars are handing out an immense number of comps. (the toy drive was four tix per toy dropped off, 2nd row freebies for showing interest in tickets, etc). In reality, putting the barn in Cedar Park was about the only viable location. Chaparral Ice was really unsuitable for even the IceBats and in no way capable of handling AHL hockey and the city of Austin wasn’t about to build another facility with the abundance of venues on UT.
OKC has two facilities capable of hosting AHL games and a track record of supporting minor league hockey. They would have the same issue of competing with collegiate sports for disposable income as Austin with OU just south of OKC.
The Texas Stars biggest issues revolve around A.) location – the Stars are in Cedar Park, a city 16 miles away from Austin. As Texans will attest, this means getting to Cedar Park can take up to 45 minutes in Austin traffic.
Is that a correctable problem?
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