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Shawn Horcoff: Man of Iron, Joints of Bronze

Edmonton Oilers' Shawn Horcoff passes the puck to teammate Dustin Penner before Penner scores a goal while being defended by Anaheim Ducks' Chris Pronger during the first period of an NHL hockey game on Friday March 27, 2009, in Anaheim, Calif. (AP Photo/Jeff Lewis)

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11 months ago: Edmonton Oilers' Shawn Horcoff passes the puck to teammate Dustin Penner before Penner scores a goal while being defended by Anaheim Ducks' Chris Pronger during the first period of an NHL hockey game on Friday March 27, 2009, in Anaheim, Calif. (AP Photo/Jeff Lewis)

It's funny how the memory plays tricks on you sometimes. For whatever reason, Shawn Horcoff has been developing a reputation as being "injury-prone". It's one of the favourite refrains of those Oiler fans who see Horcoff as less a first-line centre and more a first-degree drag on the Oilers' playoff hopes.  Not only is Horcoff crappy and overpaid, but he's hardly even in the lineup so we're not getting full value for his crappy overpaidness! Damn that Kevin Lowe and his overdeveloped sense of loyalty to veterans with one good year!

Vainly do we protest that Horcoff is the closest thing this team has had to an elite two-way centre since Todd Marchant and that he scores better than most elite two-way centres, that he's really not paid all that much compared to players of his track record and in this part of his career, and that he's one of a dwindling number of legitimate NHL players left skating around on the northern incarnation of the Springfield Falcons that we keep throwing over the boards. But the injury rap? That one hurts. While never an iron man Horcoff's had an excellent history of playing a tonne of games. In his six completed seasons to date spent entirely in the NHL, Horcoff has played 78 or more games five times. He is the Oilers leader in games played since the 2002-03 season.

Yet. On the heels of this latest shoulder problem courtesy the Islanders' Ken Sutton, there is a disquieting trend here. A trend not even I, one of Horcoff's staunchest defenders, can entirely defend. The man has a body of iron and a will of steel, but you look down his history and by god there's a lot of joint issues there. And if there's one thing we know about joint issues, it's that they don't go away.

That, and you can't play hockey in an electric wheelchair.

Star-divide

Let's get the good stuff out of the way, first. Courtesy the all-seeing eye that is TSN.ca , Shawn Horcoff's NHL injury list:

11-Feb-09    Missed 2 games (leg injury).
07-Feb-09    Leg injury, day-to-day.
05-Apr-08    Missed the last 29 games of the regular season (knee injury).
01-Feb-08    Shoulder injury, day-to-day.
17-Mar-07    Missed 1 game (leg injury).
15-Mar-07    Leg injury, day-to-day.
20-Oct-05    Missed 2 games (right shoulder injury).
15-Oct-05    Right shoulder injury, day-to-day.
22-Nov-03    Missed 1 game (back spasms).
20-Nov-03    Back spasms, day-to-day.

It's not a long list for five and a half years playing the toughest game in the world. Most of it - a back problem six years ago, a couple muscle problems. But you see, if you look, a gradually disconcerting trend. His right shoulder, first, then his left. His knee. His latest shoulder problem. It adds up.

That's the problem with joint injuries. The injury goes away but the scarring it leaves behind reduces mobility and increases the chance of a recurrence. You start using other limbs more and then you injure something else. Bone chips or scar tissue can build up in a hurry. It can take a long time to recover from that, if you ever can. Ask Mike Grier, to pick a name Oiler fans are familiar with. Eric Fichaud, to name someone we've unjustly forgotten. You can probably keep playing but you're never quite the same and there's always that lingering paranoia.

Horcoff's latest injury is bringing this all to the forefront once again. He played eighty games last year but he was far from 100% for most of the year, with both nagging shoulder and knee problems slowing him down. He's spent a lot of time not quite day-to-day, fighting the sorts of aches and pains that would land a fringe player on injured reserve and ploughing through them because he's Shawn Horcoff and without him we are well and truly up the creek.

It's important to remember that Horcoff, although not a physical player in the Dustin Penner sense, relies a lot on strength to be effective. He will muscle the puck over the line far more often than he dangles it and when he's at his most effective he's digging along the boards and muscling it up against enemy defensemen. He's had a reputation as a fitness freak his entire career and it's shown in his ability to play through pain and the near-freakish levels of endurance he can display on the ice. But joint injuries, particularly if they're recurring as Horcoff's may be, reduce his effectiveness in all these areas.

Well, as yet we don't know how far up the creek we are with this latest injury. But there seem to be a lot of trees around and I can't find the paddle.

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But what are the circumstances of these injuries? Are they weird accidents, like when Moreau ripped up his shoulder not punching Danny Markov, or are they hits at bad angles?

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by Doogie2K on Nov 4, 2009 6:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The shoulder-bone's connected to the knee-bone?
05-Apr-08 Missed the last 29 games of the regular season (knee injury).
01-Feb-08 Shoulder injury, day-to-day.

TSN may be all-seeing, but it’s not all-knowing. This was one and the same injury; it was major shoulder surgery that prematurely ended Horcoff’s fine 2007-08 season, not a knee injury. To the best of my knowledge, he’s never had a significnat knee issue.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 4, 2009 7:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I knew that and trusted TSN rather than double check. I plead swine flu.

by Benjamin Massey on Nov 4, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also – Ken Sutton retired 8 years ago.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 4, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Damned swine flu. I knew that French kissing Ladislav Smid like that was a bad idea.

If it helps, “Ken Sutton” was a correction from what I first typed in, Canadian national soccer goalkeeper Greg Sutton.

by Benjamin Massey on Nov 4, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey no worries, and maybe it would be better if Horc’s injuries had been spread around a bit. His issue is not so much joints as it is specific to shoulder(s). He’s far from the only one on this team during the Mendelbaum Era; in the last three years we have seen season-ending major shoulder surgeries claim Souray, Horcoff, Visnovsky, and Moreau. That the first three of those are currently our three highest cap hits — all 5-year plus deals — is no small cause for concern.

I wait with baited breath for medical news on Horcoff which potentially will go a long way to charting the course for ’09-10.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 4, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, I’ve got to be fair here. I know that Horcoff has had some nagging knee problems in the last three or so years – which is part of the reason I trusted TSN. “Oh well I remembered wrong and it’s ten at night and I know he’s had Knee Things.” Nothing that took him out of the lineup because (as I detailed in the post) he’s Shawn Horcoff. But they’re there.

by Benjamin Massey on Nov 4, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As for the underlying concern of overtraining…it’s certainly plausible, given how hardcore Horcoff is about his fitness, but then by the same token, wouldn’t he and/or his trainers be more aware of the dangers of overtraining and adjust his routine at different points to avoid it? I dunno, I think it’s much more likely a result of the abuse he’s taken over the years than overtraining, per se.

As for Souray, his shoulder problems first present when he was in Montreal, IIRC. Come to think of it, I know he has a place in Cali, but does he go to Camp Mendelbaum like the others? Same question about Visnovsky. Again, it’s possible, sure, but hockey players’ shoulders (and knees and hips) take a ton of abuse; I’d look to that before I looked to overtraining, especially if it’s happening with different guys who go to different trainers.

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by Doogie2K on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Horc

My only disappointment with this injury is that it is not for the long term. Horc needs to be bought out of his ridiculous contract if this team is ever to move forward

by Nappy on Nov 4, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A Chain of Events

if this team is ever to move forward

That’s so disappointing
All along
I thought all they had to do was get rid of that putz MacTavish

by Mr DeBakey on Nov 4, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Buying out Shawn Horcoff at the end of the season would have pretty brutal long-term consequences. In addition to paying him various amounts to not play for the next five years, they’d be paying 1.7M for him not to play for five years after that. Even if Horcoff’s play deteriorates badly (whether because of injury or otherwise), I’m not convinced that the best thing to do is buy him out.

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

A posse ad esse.

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by Jonathan Willis on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn’t fly around here. Throwing out “buy him out” without backing it up isn’t what this site is about. Back up what you can say, especially when they are grand, and terrible, statements.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 4, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, only I am allowed to make broad assertions without evidence. Nikolai Khabibulin is a bigger waste of money than the premium channels on your satellite package!

by Benjamin Massey on Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's make it unanimous

The five writers of the Copper & Blue all think that’s a ridiculous statement. Not to mention mean-spirited. For the life of me I don’t understand the contract envy that some sports fans just can’t seem to get past. All Shawn Horcoff has ever done is work his ass off to make himself as good a player as he can possibly be, going from an Oiler draft choice to college to the A to the fourth line wing and on up the depth chart to the point where he’s been the top centre on the team every year since the lockout. He’s a strong two-way player whose contributions are appreciated by knowledgeable hockey fans. He’s an Oiler through and through, might even be the first significant player to play his entire career here. He signed the contract that was offered to him, at a time when the cap was going nothing but up. If it’s an overpay it’s not much of an overpay; far less than pissing away money on a stupid buyout would be.

This is the guy who blocked a last-second shot with his face to seal a playoff game in Joe Louis Arena. What the hell kind of “Oiler fan” doesn’t appreciate a guy who would do that for his team, I’d like to know. For shame.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 4, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell kind of "Oiler fan" doesn’t appreciate a guy who would do that for his team, I’d like to know. For shame.

The kind that knows right well that tough minutes, outscoring centers grow on trees and can be had for around two million per season.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And who’s going to replace him? Sam Gagner? Maybe in five years, but sure as hell not now. Also, that cap hit’s going to sit until the end of eternity. Not exactly smart asset management, not that that’s stopped this team in the past.

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by Doogie2K on Nov 5, 2009 6:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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