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Horcoff's Left Arm

For the evidence that something is very wrong with the Oilers team of Oxen, Shawn Horcoff, check the video at 1:35.  Horcoff has his left arm clutched to his body and uses his right to give his stick to the equipment man.  I'm sure Doogie will be along any minute to figure out the specifics of what's going on in that arm.

Early analysis of the impact to the team: 

S.O.S.


H/T:  Thanks to Phil for the excellent find.

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There was a point in the game where Horcoff barely skated off the ice, holding his arm and was limping his way onto the bench and some idiot Islander gave him a shot on the way by. How cheap is that? Cogliano gave him a shove back though and yelled at the guy, but still that was pretty disrespectful to see happen to someone who’s obviously hurting and as classy as Horcoff is, especially when the other team is winning.

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by Racki on Nov 3, 2009 11:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’m surprised Cogliano didn’t get a penalty FFS.

I don’t think it cost us the game, but I remain very unhappy about the officiating last night and especially the 0 powerplays. Sutton was throwing his weight around all over the place, and all that happened was Oiler penalties like instigating and goaltenderder intereference.

Did you happen to capture who the idiot Islander was who gave Horc a shot? Taking a run at a guy off in pain is as cheap as it gets. It’s not like the Isles are even a division rival or anything, why the, uh, truculence? Is it a NHLPA thing I wonder?

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 3, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce, the reffing honestly wasn’t that bad. They missed the goalie interference call for sure which probably should have gone the other way and the ten-minute add-on to Jacques seemed a bit excessive but other than that I thought they did a good job. Sutton’s hits both seemed hard but legal, certainly no worse than Stortini’s hit on Iginla a few games back :) except for the consequences. The Oilers simply didn’t earn any power plays last night and I see no reason that the refs should be expected to even things up artificially.

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They missed the goalie interference call for sure which probably should have gone the other way

It was either a no-call (Roloson wasn’t even in the crease) or it was an unsportsmanlike on Roloson for the acting job.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 3, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My anger about other calls and (mostly) non-calls was rooted in the Sutton sequence in which he:
a) left his feet to low-bridge Gilbert when Tom was already engaged by another player;
b) as JFJ came in to respond — gloves still ON — Sutton crosschecked him in the face, knocking him to the ice;
c) then landed the first punch after JFJ scrambled to his feet and engaged in the fight.

For this JFJ got 2 and 10? Sorry, that is just a terrible freaking call.

Watch the video evidence, especially the replays after about the 1:00 mark. Ignore if you can the self-righteous sanctimony of the pro-Islanders broadcasters.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 5, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce…

a) the only reason Sutton left his feet is because Gilbert bailed hard on the hit. I don’t blame Gilbert at all (in fact it was likely smart), but that was a legal check by Sutton. Or should I say “perfectly legal” :)
b/c) JFJ deserves the instigator. That’s the reason that penalty exists. If you skate over to start a fight you get the instigator. Do you really blame Sutton for fighting back? I think it would be a bad call by the refs if the Oilers didn’t end up shorthanded on that play.

The 10 minute misconduct was overkill unless it’s required by the instigator call.

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How is he skating over to start a fight when he doesn’t drop his gloves and the other guy crosschecks him in the face FFS? JFJ didn’t wade in swinging, he was on the receiving end of the crosscheck and the first punch.

As for the “legal hit” by Sutton, stepping up to hit a guy who is already engaged is a dirty play that will start a tonne of fights. Any team in the league worth its salt will defend a player who is so taken down. My hat is off to JFJ for coming in to talk to Sutton. I just wish he’d already thrown down and popped him a couple, cuz he got penalized as if he had. Better yet, maybe JFJ should have just crosschecked Sutton in tdhe face, cuz it’s apparently legal.

Do you really think Sutton deserved no penalty for that crosscheck? Really??

I am still very angry about this play and this call. I am seeing it very differently from everybody else apparently. Sutton is a cheap shot goofball.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 5, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I think it’s clear Jacques was coming in to fight and not to “talk to him.” I’m at a loss if you won’t acknowledge that.

As for the “cross-check” Sutton only has one hand on his stick and he hits Jacques in the mug with his free hand. So, no, I don’t think Sutton should get an extra two for recognizing he was about to be engaged for a(n admittedly dirty, but still very much) legal hit he’d just made on another player.

I think this was the exact right call except for the extra 10 given to Jacques.

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 6, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will acknowledge that JFJ was coming in to challenge him. Many many fights start when one guy “invites” another, they both drop the gloves, and they go. No instigator. If the guy drops the gloves on the way in and starts throwing, that’s an instigator. In this case Jacques had his gloves still on and Sutton smashed him right in the face. No way is that an instigator in my view. No way. No. Way.

If however it is an instigator, the 10 minutes is automatic.

Call me a homer (as RiversQ did), but I’m still bitter about the officiating in that game. It sucked.

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 7, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, well if it’s an automatic 10 then they got it exactly right.

You’re a homer :)

by Scott Reynolds on Nov 7, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The good news ...

is that Gilbert is pretty slick at absorbing a hit. Thus Sutton didn’t even maim Tom, so in that game Sutton merely managed to incapacitate Horcoff, Hemsky and Jacques, all of whom are now out. Not that the @#$%^&*&^^$##&^ deserved a penalty at any point, of course. In fact they should give the entire Islanders team the Lady Byng for that stunning display of sportsmanship against the dirty Oilers.

Anti-homer. :)

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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 8, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice pickup because I didn’t see it. I was probably too annoyed at Cogliano not getting the puck again.

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by Derek Zona on Nov 3, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yah I just watched the replay again, it was Nate Thompson. It’s not quite as bad as I thought when I originally watched it. But here’s my mini-play-by-play:

At about 11:30 left in the 3rd, Horcoff gets dropped by a big hit by Sutton (maybe when his shoulder may have been hurt, if it even was hurt?). 10 seconds later on that shift, Horcoff throws a hit on Thompson in front of the Oiler bench and gets his stick up kind of high (didn’t see this on the replay, so I guess this is what Thompson was upset about). Thomspson spins away and as he does, Horcoff is looking down at the ice, noticeably exhausted and slowly going to the door with his stick in his right hand and not even paying any attention to Thompson who’s following behind him and gives him a “helpful shove” (not the sarcasm) through the gate on the way by.

Oddly enough, Horcoff did play one more shift after that, a really short one and on the PK. He didn’t look to be showing any signs of injury at that point though, keeping a pretty active stick, so I’m not sure if he really was hurt at all on the play.

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by Racki on Nov 3, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Heh, I’m no doctor, so I can’t say for sure what precisely it is — I can only work with what the team gives me — but the way he’s holding his arm, it’s tight to his body, not moving it when he walks as you normally would. Shoulder would definitely be my guess — it’s sure not broken arm, because I’d have to imagine holding it perpendicular to the force of gravity without support would be murder — but until the team says something, that’s what I got.

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by Doogie2K on Nov 3, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Collarbone

Is the collarbone a possibility?

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by Derek Zona on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly couldn’t tell you. I guess maybe, but then I don’t think he’d have tried to go back, because it would be a little more obvious to the training staff.

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by Doogie2K on Nov 4, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And now that I’ve had my coffee and thought for a minute, it can’t be collarbone for the same reason it’s not a broken arm. He’s not holding it up in anyway, so if it were the collarbone, gravity would be pulling his whole arm down and yanking on that busted bone, consequently making it hurt like a motherfucker. Plus, I showed a friend of mine, also in Kines, who’s had a couple of rotator cuff issues in his time, and he agreed that it’s textbook shoulder injury, and said that Horcoff’s response is almost reflexive when it happens.

The only question now is degree.

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by Doogie2K on Nov 4, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we had a television show, you’d be the sports injury expert on the panel :)

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by Derek Zona on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Northwest Standings

GP W L OTL PT
Vancouver 72 44 24 4 92
Colorado 70 40 24 6 86
Calgary 71 36 26 9 81
Minnesota 71 34 31 6 74
Edmonton 71 22 42 7 51

(updated 3.21.2010 at 5:42 AM PDT)

23 - 42 - 7

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Oilers Stats Leaders

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Defense

TOI/G:

Horcoff (19:25)

Gilbert (22:10)

ESTOI/G:

Horcoff (14:29)

Grebeshkov (17:16)

Points:

Penner (53)

Visnovsky (32)

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Penner (26)

Visnovsky (10)

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Penner (27)

Visnovsky (22)

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Penner (.145)

Smid (.090)

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Penner (178)

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Penner(.470)

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Penner (5.011)

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