DD or JDD? Doppelgänger Dilemma
Lowetide asked me an interesting question the other day: if I were building an expansion team, which one of Edmonton's young goalies might I pick: Deslauriers or Dubnyk? Let's rephrase it slightly to put an Oilers spin on the query: if there were an imaginary expansion draft, which one should we protect?
While there's hopefully no expansion to worry about, the Oilers will essentially face such a choice next summer/fall, or pay a premium to put it off. For now there is no hard overlap between the two, but that day is coming fast. Dubnyk is two years younger than Deslauriers and pretty much Exactly two years behind him on the career curve. In fact the two have a whole lot in common:
Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers (JDD) was born on May 15, 1984, the day of Game 3 of the Stanley Cup Finals (Oilers 7, Islanders 2 :)). A long stringbean at 6'4, 200, he was drafted 31st overall in 2002, the first pick of the second round, acquired in the Jochen Hecht trade. (Pick #36, Jarret Stoll, also came courtesy of what turned out to be a pretty good trade.) He was the fourth goalie of his draft class to be chosen. The top 5 were #2 Kari Lehtonen, #25 Cam Ward, #29 Hannu Toivunen, #31 JDD, #34 Tobias Stephen. JDD appears to be a solid third in this group, behind Ward and the injury-plagued Lehtonen but ahead of the other two who fired and fell back.
Devan Dubnyk (DD) was born
on May 4, 1986, when the hockey world was still trying to come to grips with Steve Smith's own goal. A longer stringbean at 6''5, 194, he was drafted 14th overall in 2004. He was the second goalie of his draft class to be chosen. The top 5 were #6 Al Montoya, #14 DD, #17 Marek Schwarz, #26 Cory Schneider, #37 David Shantz. A much less proven fivesome, befitting their younger age. Dubnyk is the fourth to get a cup o' coffee, but none have played as many as 500 minutes in the show. DD clearly ranks ahead of Schwarz and Shantz, and it's a toss-up among the others, with Schneider having the best hype. That said, today DD is the only one of the five in the NHL.
At a glance DD and JDD are mirror images of each other with Dubnyk being the longer, stringbeanier, right-handed one with the slightly higher draft pedigree and the slightly less-bumpy career curve.
Both broke into major junior in 2001-02 so let's start there after the jump:
| JDD | DD | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Season | League | GP | Sv% | Season | League | GP | Sv% | |
| 2001-02 | QMJHL | 51 | 0.900 | 2001-02 | WHL | 3 | 0.838 | |
| 2002-03 | QMJHL | 49 | 0.888 | 2002-03 | WHL | 26 | 0.907 | |
| 2003-04 | QMJHL | 50 | 0.916 | 2003-04 | WHL | 44 | 0.917 | |
| 2004-05 | AHL | 22 | 0.888 | 2004-05 | WHL | 65 | 0.912 | |
| ECHL | 11 | 0.940 | ||||||
| 2005-06 | AHL | 13 | 0.897 | 2005-06 | WHL | 54 | 0.912 | |
| ECHL | 6 | 0.899 | ||||||
| 2006-07 | AHL | 40 | 0.908 | 2006-07 | ECHL | 43 | 0.921 | |
| AHL | 4 | 0.855 | ||||||
| 2007-08 | AHL | 57 | 0.912 | 2007-08 | AHL | 33 | 0.904 | |
| 2008-09 | NHL | 10 | 0.901 | 2008-09 | AHL | 62 | 0.906 | |
| 2008-09 | AHL | 5 | 0.906 | |||||
| 2009-10 | NHL | 6 | 0.920 | 2009-10 | AHL | 18 | 0.924 |
Dubnyk was the hotter shot, played in the Dub as a call-up at age 15 and a backup at 16. By 17, however, both were starters (44+ GP) in Major Junior. So let's reorganize our data there, recognize that Dubnyk is two years (less 11 days) younger, and match up their seasons by hockey age.
| JDD | DD | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Age | Leagues | GP | Sv% | Age | Leagues | GP | Sv% | |
| 17 | QMJHL | 51 | 0.900 | 17 | WHL | 44 | 0.917 | |
| 18 | QMJHL | 49 | 0.888 | 18 | WHL | 65 | 0.912 | |
| 19 | QMJHL | 50 | 0.916 | 19 | WHL | 54 | 0.912 | |
| 20 | AHL/ECHL | 33 | 0.911 | 20 | ECHL/AHL | 47 | 0.918 | |
| 21 | AHL/ECHL | 19 | 0.898 | 21 | AHL | 33 | 0.904 | |
| 22 | AHL | 40 | 0.908 | 22 | AHL | 62 | 0.906 | |
| 23 | AHL | 57 | 0.912 | 23 | AHL | 18 | 0.924 | |
| 24 | NHL/AHL | 15 | 0.902 | |||||
| 25 | NHL | 6 | 0.920 |
There are a lot more similarities than differences on those career curves. Thanks to the Oilers' inexplicable decision to suspend AHL operations for two seasons, JDD's development was more retarded -- using the word carefully -- than was DD's. Deslauriers was on the outside looking in especially in his 21-year-old season, whereas Dubnyk was still in junior that 2005-06 season, then got an everyday gig in the ECHL the next year which didn't hurt him a bit. By his own 21-year-old season he was backing up JDD in Springfield, and getting a reasonable split (37%) of the ice time, over which the Oilers had finally regained control. As a result DD has substantially more games in the lower league, all in one season, whereas JDD spent parts of two seasons in the ECHL and spent a little more time on the bench at whatever level. Thus even though Dubnyk has just begun his 23-year-old season, his pro experience is already a little greater than JDD's was at the end of his equivalent season. To summarize:
| JDD | DD | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Age | Leagues | GP | Sv% | Age | Leagues | GP | Sv% | |
| 17-19 | Major Jr. | 150 | 0.908 | 17-19 | Major Jr. | 163 | 0.914 | |
| 20-23 | Minor Pro | 149 | 0.909 | 20-23 | Minor Pro | 160 | 0.911 |
So Dubnyk appears to have a slight edge, with a little more experience at both levels and a slightly greater Sv%. While far from perfect, Sv% is the best single measure we have of goaltender performance. It seems probable that quality of team will affect that Sv%. The two only played on the same team for one full season (2007-08 in Springfield) and little pieces of a couple of others. JDD has the better Pts% ("winning percentage") of the two, .511 to .475 in their last 3 years of junior, .507 to .447 in their first 4 years of pro. Some would argue that JDD is therefore more of a winner; others would counter that DD played on worse teams and if anything that makes his superior Sv% that much more impressive.
Beyond that are the non-save effects, the "soft skills" which are so difficult to measure. I’m talking about game management skills, rebound control, puck retrieval and distribution. At the NHL level I estimate these skills or lack thereof might be the equivalent of a bump in a goalie’s Sv% by as much as ± .005. I’ve seen enough of JDD to lump him in the group I call "chaos goalies"; he better be a good stopper, cuz a sweeper he is not. We know less about this aspect of DD's game; what do the scouting reports say? If he’s a "control goalie" that’s another arrow in his quiver; if on the other hand he’s much worse than JDD, he won’t be able to play in this league.
For now Dubnyk faces two realities. He may be a little further than Deslauriers at the same point in his career, but in real time he’s two years behind. JDD has the 16 games of NHL experience, and the 90 games on the bench and all that accrues to that; he’s the NHLer. DD is where JDD was two years ago, called up for a cup of coffee but not guaranteed to even get a game. Last night we saw the two together in the NHL line-up for the first time, but come game time JDD responded to the challenge in a big way, posting a 36-save shutout. He wants to keep Dubnyk on the bench. (That said, if Khabibulin needs a few more days I personally would like to see the two split the upcoming back-to-back games.)
The other reality is that the club has committed to Nikolai Khabibulin who theoretically will be the starting goalie for the next 2.7 ± 1 years. If the idea – or should I say the ideal – is to gradually grow a youngster into the starting role à la Warren Moon and Tom Wilkinson, the timing may actually work in Dubnyk’s favour. JDD will enter his UFA years in 2011; Dubnyk is eligible to do so in 2013, just as Khabibulin’s hefty pact expires. If Dubnyk blossoms, the Oilers will be in position to pay him then.
Still, there’s precious little to choose between the two long stringbeans. By next fall Dubnyk will be in the exact same position that JDD was last year, out of options and needing to clear waivers. In JDD’s case we saw the undesirable result: a three-headed monster in the crease and a lack of roster flexibility elsewhere. As things shape up now, Oilers will face the exact same situation next fall.
In a perfect world, the organization will reach a decision over the summer or by the end of training camp. In a perfect world, they will deal one of the youngsters for an asset that will help the club elsewhere. And in a perfect world, they will make the right choice of which one to keep. My distant early guess is that will be Devan Dubnyk.
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Despite hte wonky formatting, I love the post Bruce. I’m not sure you answered your question, but if your answer was Dubnyk, I agree ;)
by Jonathan Willis on Nov 24, 2009 10:17 PM MST reply actions
Yes it was
The last paragraphs got chopped. I am trying to rewrite and edit the mess.
I think my tables messed with the format.
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Fixed
… mostly. Sorry for the problems.
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I don’t know how the Oilers are going to test DD and still compete for the playoffs. How many games could we give a struggling, or even treading water, DD and still be in shape to make the playoffs? My guess is 4, over the whole season. I would assume, this is more of JDD’s position to lose because “in real time” he is two years ahead.
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I don’t know how the Oilers are going to test JDD and still compete for the playoffs. How many games could we give a struggling, or even treading water, JDD and still be in shape to make the playoffs? My guess is 4, over the whole season.
There, that’s better. In all honesty, I don’t think JDD is a better “right now” option than DD. The Oilers do seem high on JDD though and he needs a bunch more games to avoid being UFA so I’d bet the play him a bunch with Khabby out of the lineup.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 25, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
The techniques that the Oilers employ when it comes to player management are bizarre, but the handling of JDD is downright insane.
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He’s a little young to be UFA, just in his 6th pro season. Is this some kind of Glencross thing, a minimum NHL GP by a certain point? I lose track of some of that stuff.
Derek: The only really insane thing was the Oilers being the poster boy for why we need a lockout to level the playing field, and then celebrating by becoiming the only NHL team without an AHL affiliation. Stupid, stupid, stupid … I have never understood WTF they were thinking.
Given the circumstances that prevailed during his apprenticeship, I don’t think they could have done a lot more with JDD. He’s followed a fairly steady rise, and when they reached the tipping point of keeping him or exposing him on waivers, they kept him, ultimately trading Garon to make room for him. You and I might disagree with that decision, but it’s defensible. I do wish they had given him more than 10 games last season though … the decision to play the aged Roloson in 36 straight or whatever it was just didn’t make any sense to me, then or now.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 25, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
Given the circumstances that prevailed during his apprenticeship, I don’t think they could have done a lot more with JDD. He’s followed a fairly steady rise, and when they reached the tipping point of keeping him or exposing him on waivers, they kept him, ultimately trading Garon to make room for him. You and I might disagree with that decision,
I don’t mind the choice – not playing him afterwards was insane. Goalies need games and work. There’s no way to figure out or judge if a young goalie is getting it without work.
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It is indeed “a Glencross thing.” We are talking about JDD qualifying as a Group 6 free agent. For goalies to qualify they must be 25 or older, have completed 3 or more professional seasons (including minor leagues) and have played fewer than 28 NHL games (a game only counts if the goalie played at least 30 minutes). Deslauriers has so far played 15 games that count by this definition (the Pittsburgh game last season just misses), so they’ll need to play him (for at least thirty minutes) in at least 13 more games this year to avoid him becoming unrestricted this summer.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 25, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks
Strange that time spent backing up doesn’t count as “NHL time”. He’ll have gotten an NHL pay cheque for two years by this summer.
I do know why the 30-minute rule though. There was some variation of this rule quite a number of years ago which saw a coach sneaking his backup in for a couple minutes at the end of decided games to reach some manadatory minimum or another. It was kinda bogus at the time, within the letter of the rules but not the spirit. Makes me think that Sam Pollock was somehow involved.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 25, 2009 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t see how Dubnyk will ever get a shot without some horrible injury to either Khabibulin or Deslauriers. I’d guess that with the way that the organization has handled Deslauriers, Dubnyk will end up being a piece of a trade soon.
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