Oilers v. Blackhawks - Mark 8:1-13
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 3:00 PM PST
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Chicago Blackhawks at Edmonton Oilers, Nov 21, 2009 7:00 PM PST
In the evening a large crowd had gathered. They had no reason to be proud of their hockey team so Quinn called his players together and said, "I have compassion for these people; they have been following this team for three years and have not once tasted the playoffs. If we send them off to another summer without playoffs they may break down and start cheering for a young, better, more exciting team."
His players answered, "But where will we ever find anyone with enough talent to get us into the playoffs?"
"How many wins do we have," Quinn asked?
"Nine," they replied.
He asked the crowd to sit down and they did. After that Quinn looked at his team, gave thanks for the nine wins they had already compiled and told his players to go out before the people and win some damn games. And they did so! Afterward, he realized that they also had a few losses in overtime or the shootout; he gave thanks for those as well thinking that they would need every last point to make the playoffs. The people watched these performances and they were satisfied. At the end of the season the players looked and saw that they had seven wins more than they needed. About seventeen thousand fans were present for each victory. Each night they went home content.
This all began with a game at home against the Blackhawks. In fact, Quinn gave this opening speech in the dressing room. Quenneville - who is always listening at the door of other teams, the dirty cheater - and some of the other Blackhawks then asked Quinn for a sign that this would take place. Quinn had said, "A sign? Why do you need a miraculous sign? I'll tell you the truth, you won't be getting any sign. What you will be getting is stomped on in the playoffs." Then he left them and that's when the winning streak began.
Chicago Blackhawks (13-5-2) @ Edmonton Oilers (9-10-3)
Rexall Place, 8:00 P.M. MDT
Television: CBC
More analysis after the jump...
Visiting Team Scouting Report: The Chicago Blackhawks are a great team. I've seen them play the Avalanche three times this season and the Oilers once and although they didn't win all four games they were clearly the better team each time. The Hawks are leading the league in shot differential by a tidy margin and are soon going to add Marian Hossa to their lineup. This is likely the best team in the NHL. They're in some cap trouble trying to plan for next year and news has been surfacing all over the place that they're trying to find a taker for Brent Sopel so that they can sign their more important players long-term. I imagine they'll be able to do it eventually but for tonight, Sopel's in, the young guns are playing for new contracts and the Oilers are probably road kill.
Expected Lineups:
Edmonton Oilers (9-10-3):
Penner - Horcoff - Hemsky
Reddox - Brule - O'Sullivan
Moreau - Potulny - Cogliano
Jacques - Gagner - Stortini
Staios - Souray
Pump - Dump
Strudwick - Gilbert
Khabibulin
Chicago Blackhawks (13-5-2)
Sharp - Toews - Kane
Ladd - Versteeg - Byfuglien
Eager - Madden - Brouwer
Bickell - Fraser - Kopecky
Keith - Seabrook
Hjalmarsson - Campbell
Barker - Sopel
Huet
Behind the Numbers:
- Chicago defender Duncan Keith is currently tied for 4th in scoring by defencemen with 18 points on the season (11 at even strength). Edmonton defender Lubomir Visnovsky is tied for 7th with 15 points (7 at even strength).
- Chicago is the best in the NHL at outshooting opponents with a shot differential of +9.4 per game. The Oilers have moved up to 27th overall in the NHL with a shot differential of -5.5. It's still terrible but at least it's moving in the right direction. Well, until tonight anyway.
- Chicago is second in the NHL with a team faceoff percentage of 54.2% while the Oilers are 30th with a team faceoff percentage of 45.8%. The Hawks are going to be starting a lot of sequences with possession of the puck.
- Cristobal Huet has been one of the best goalies since the lockout but he's had a rough start to this season. Through 16 games his EV save percentage is only .904. But before you get on the "shots are more difficult in Chicago" bandwagon, the unheralded Antti Niemi is at .915.
- Regardless of recent praise from coach Pat Quinn, Liam Reddox and Ryan Potulny still have some work to do before they're helping winning teams in this league. Potulny's Corsi of -3.02/15 is coming in relatively sheltered ice time. Ditto for Reddox with whose Corsi is an even worse -4.41/15. These men are not your saviours. Even scarier: both Reddox and Potulny are well clear of Cogliano, Nilsson, Pisani and Moreau.
- Nikolai Khabibulin is already up to 17th on the Oilers all-time wins list with a total of 7, just one win behind 16th place Jim Corsi (may his name be praised).
- Steve Staios (+31) and Fernando Pisani (+18) are 1st and 2nd among current Oilers in +/- as an Oiler (regular season games only). A convoluted stat to be sure but hopefully one that reminds us that these guys used to be pretty decent players on a pretty decent hockey club (Ethan Moreau is +6 for his Oiler career). The guys ahead of Pisani in +/- as an Oiler who are still playing in the NHL are Mike Grier and Todd Marchant. Depth guys. It sure would be nice to have some.
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the Oilers are 30th with a team faceoff percentage of 45.8%.
It’s like management is purposefully screwing with the fan base.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oilers were 29th until getting blown off the dot by 30th place Colorado the other night, so they’re there on merit.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even scarier: both Reddox and Potulny are well clear of Cogliano, Nilsson, Pisani and Moreau.
I think that’s Quinn’s point, and mine when we speak glowingly of those two.
Scoring Chance diff/15:
F. PISANI -2.771
E. MOREAU -2.394
R. NILSSON -2.150
A. COGLIANO -1.898
L. REDDOX -1.260
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The God of Small Sample Sizes is on line one, Derek.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His players answered, “But where will we ever find anyone with enough talent to get us into the playoffs?”
“How many wins do we have,” Quinn asked?
“Nine,” they replied.
He asked the crowd to sit down and they did. After that Quinn looked at his team, gave thanks for the nine wins
Nine wins – nine playoff players.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder, has an NHL team ever lost by a billion before? We might be in for a record-breaking night.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They can’t pull JDD either. This could be one of those nights when the goalie ends up on the bridge.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I wanna see what this Torrence Young guy’s got!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be more confident with Carl Jung as the backup.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well we certainly could use some unconscious goaltending
Eh, Ender? :)
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Collective *sub*conscious, not un
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm trying
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Khabibulin out
JDD starting, Torrie Jung an emergency backup
NK reportedly “tweaked his back”
Uh-oh.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’ll get even worse when the Oilers refuse to get rid of whoever Torrie Jung is because they want to carry three goalies all year.
But I’m not worried for this game. Dominik Hasek is the poor man’s Jeff Deslauriers!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Source for that Bruce, FYI
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oilers pipeline
(Came in my email … didn’t even realize I had signed up for the service)
NIKOLAI KHABIBULIN TO MISS TONIGHT’S GAME VS. BLACKHAWKS
Edmonton Oilers General Manager Steve Tambellini announced today, goaltender Torrie Jung has been signed to an Amateur Tryout (ATO).
Jung, 20, who is currently in his 2nd season with the Western Hockey League’s Edmonton Oil Kings, will backup Oilers starting goaltender Jeff Deslauriers tonight when Edmonton hosts the Chicago Blackhawks at Rexall Place.
Nikolai Khabibulin will be kept out of the lineup for tonight’s game for precautionary reasons as he continues to deal with a sore back.
Jung has appeared in 20 games this season with the Oil Kings with a 5-11-3 record, 3.29 GAA and .903 SV%.
He was originally selected by the Tampa Bay Lightning in the 7th round (183rd overall) in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft.
Key word “continues”
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jung has appeared in 20 games this season with the Oil Kings with a 5-11-3 record, 3.29 GAA and .903 SV%.
In the W? Uhhhhhh
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair, my understanding is that the Oil Kings defense is pretty awful…
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
.903 and 3.29 is the equivalent of 34 shots per 60. Not sure how that rates in the Dub, but I’d wager “not good”.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, I’ve only ever watched good home teams, but I’m betting that’s pretty shitty. The Oil Kings are third from the bottom in the league.
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by Doogie2K on Nov 21, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong of me to hope that we get blown out enough that this kid gets into the game. It’s his one and (likely) only chance at an NHL game. Go Hawks! And then, go Oilers huge comeback to get Torrie Jung the win!
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the Oilers romping out to a 15-1 lead and then Old Man Quinn putting Jung in as a nice gesture.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You need a time machine to accomplish this.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pump - Dump
I just noticed that.
I bow to you sir.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 4:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully they learned their lesson with Grebs last year. If you have a defender in a contract year, do not give him Lubo as a partner. So Smid can have Lubo this year but not next year. No sir. And honestly, if they’re thinking of trading a defender at the deadline, he should be playing with Lubo now. Maybe Steve Staios looks a bunch more attractive if he’s got nice numbers.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a big fan of the strategy.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else watching Detroit take on the Quebec Nordiques at the Bell Centre on CBC right now?
I know these are supposed to be “retro” jerseys but I’ve seen a lot of pictures of a old of old Habs and just how retro are we talking here? Bruce?
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno yet. I do know those hideous striped things they wore a while back were from the old CAC days, circa 1913 I believe.
I’m watching WSH @TOR on HDTV. My HD CBC channel is based right in Toronto, so I’ve got the age-old problem … all Leafs all the time. I just switched to Ch 4 though, thks.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1909-10
Those are the very first Montreal Canadiens sweaters ever.
1910-11 are the red ones with the green maple leaf and old-fashioned “C”
1911-12 has never seen the light of day, except in an old newspaper clipping on EotP
1912-13 is the barberpole, but also saw the introduction of a red alternate with a blue band across the middle and a simple white “C” for when they played the similarly-barberpoled Senators. This would form the basis of…
1913-present The tricolore we all know today.
So yes, Bruce, you’re right on the barberpole, which I actually own a replica of. I like wearing it to confuse people. I actually have all the vintage thirds released to date, but none of the regular jerseys, pretty much because I can guarantee the regular jerseys will still exist in five years.
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by Doogie2K on Nov 21, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah, edit: The 1910-11 are the ones they wore against Calgary a week or two back.
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by Doogie2K on Nov 21, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oooooh just tuned in!!!
JDD today.It can go either way. He is one of the most inconsistent goalies I have seen.
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, he’s only played, what, five or six games in his career?
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's consistent
1st game: 1 GA
2nd game: 2 GA
3rd game: 3 GA
4th game: 4 GA
At this rate his season will go further south than Gary Bettman’s next “hockey market”
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, this proved prescient. God damn.
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by Doogie2K on Nov 22, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliance, Mr. Reynolds. Sheer brilliance.
As for tonight? Ugly as hell, I think.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Pat. And yeah, it will be ugly.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Burke gets to make up for the Kessel mistake.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You say that until the Leafs give up approximately everything in exchange for whatever the 2009-10 version of Patrick Lalime is.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, yeah, yeah
The boys come out hitting.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or being hit. And still winning that battle.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coverage
That was some awesome own zone coverage there.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nice gag Ladi
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this was not a good play but he knew it right away. Just need to hope it doesn’t happen again.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Penner
Wins the faceoff. Gets to the crease. Gets the rebound.
KO’s kid defenseman by being hit.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Six minutes in, and Horpensky has been out for, what, three and a half of them?
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you are in 7th heaven since that guy quoted u, arent you?
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been quoted plenty of times. Admittedly, mostly not by name but as “the defendant” OH GODDAMMIT ARE WE SURE THIS ISN’T KHABIBULIN?
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Staios falls like an oaf, Souray with the own goal. This is a fun evening.
Horpensky versus Chicago. Unless they have a lantern that they can use to burn the city down, they are in trouble.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought he punched it in too…but the commentators were emphatic that it was verteeg shot
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Replay makes it pretty clear. Nice glove, Jeter.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt covering versteeg Souray’s assignment?
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What that Steady Steve’s man there, Versteeg? I admire a bit of aggression going into the corners but come on!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
By the way, Bruce, Derek, and Scott: the way this game is going, looks like I’ll be doing a nice, pessimistic postgame. My e-mail server seems to still be down so consider this the notice!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh bubba.
Three goals on … wow.
Paging Carl Jung…
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see. Did you want to do up a post tomorrow afternoon on Khabibulin. I sent an email saying that you’re caustic tone would probably be most appropriate but if you don’t want to, I’ll put something up.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly could, so long as we don’t risk sarcasm overload on the front page.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry. Derek’s got something scheduled in the morning to break up the vitriol.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I might change that. This is making me sick.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Liam Reddox, SuperStar. Also, this is following my game plan exactly. Put in the kid!
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We want what’s-his-name! We want what’s-his-name!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HE CAUGHT ONE!
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Weekes said something about the fourth line, um, which one?
Horcoff has looked better since his little vacation, definitely a real puck hawk.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Horcoff has looked fine since he’s been back. He’s on that line with guys who know how to play hockey in the NHL.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir it was. But they did manage to clutter the front of the net so the Hawks didn’t get any good chances out it. It was pretty humiliating to watch them dance around in the Oilers zone though.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which arena was Don Cherry talking about which was full for morning skate practice?
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Deslauriers would benefit from 20 extra minutes of warm up time
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Deslauriers should start munching on all that bacon Penner isn’t eating anymore.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In his interview on the Oilers site before his last start he made sure to emphasize how important preparation is for him. Maybe he should try a new strategy.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m extremely interested in this strategy now.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Penner looks good with a stash. Of course, who doesn’t?
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mine came in nicely, then I was exhausted one morning and accidentally shaved it.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should see mine. I’ll post a pic of it in the next few days.
Walked into the dressing room tonight and the reaction was IRA hitman or seventies goon? Definitely impressive.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So...
You’ve got a first line that continues to outplay most every first line in the league.
And the rest of the team is outplayed by every other line in the league.
I don’t know if I can remember a team like this. The 85 Nordiques maybe?
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It is an odd situation isn’t it. I think part of it is Quinn’s refusal to match lines. If he was sending one group of upper dregs to the wolves, he could maybe create a dependable soft minutes group (say, Gagner, O’Sullivan and Cogs) and a second group of lower dregs that needed protecting. Quinn is just the wrong coach for this team in terms of game strategy.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a heady comment.
Tonight it’s Brule that’s getting destroyed, and they’re at home. argh.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Kings of the Triple Crown Line era were like that
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope we come out with more jump in our game in the 2nd
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sum, this is the same as the first game against the Hawks. Oilers had plenty of jump to start that game, just like tonight, and then the Hawks just started coming at them. They’re a world apart.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i realise that. I am not saying we win. I am saying i hope we play better
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw come on Pat. Sum is the happiest, most optimistic fan out there. Don’t harsh his buzz.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey…i m just wishing for better play…arent u?
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m wishing for a fast clock.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m wishing for a beer.
Holy shit I have one! My wishes come true! Plus I have a talking dog!
Untold riches will be mine.
Plus Kate Winslet!
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does beer ease the pain?
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. But it tastes good.
Or something.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if you could only have one is it beer whenever you want, an immortal talking dog or a lifetime of Kate Winslet?
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Immortal talking dog and I don’t think it’s close.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
I had a buddy once who would ask everyone he met whether or not they would have sex with a chicken for a million dollars.
Apropos of nothing.
Jesus. OK well is the beer free? Like a lifetime of free beer? Because the immortal talking dog would be awesome but if he’s immortal that means he outlives me and that’s not cool.
I’d have to say Kate Winslet but with one caveat, she has to have the sex drive of a twenty year old. I mean I can have beer anytime, I just have to buy it. And the dog is already pretty fucking wicked.
But I love redheads.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes the beer would be free… and I would not have sex with a chicken for a million dollars. No sir. And I’m surprised you didn’t choose the dog. But not very.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I wouldn’t have sex with a chicken either. Have to draw the line somewhere.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course if I have a talking dog then I’m going to have more money than God which means I could likely have sex with anyone I wanted.
Not that I would want to, of course, being married to my lovely wife and all.
Damnit. Too many choices.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Good to have Sheldon Souray back in the lineup, now that he can start whipping pucks into his own net like Steve Sax overthrowing the first baseman.”
Is that what Kevin Weekes said? I was getting another drink.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Potulny out on the PK. Could be another sign that Quinn would prefer to have Potulny in Edmonton longer term.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There's a vacant lot in front of our net
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hemsky needs to make that head man pass. Geez, he missed the guy by two zones.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lubo…how did he get behind the play? What was he doing?
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well he poked the puck away but the puck hit his D partner and went back to Chi player
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How did he end up trailing the damn play!?
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One goal closer to Jung! One more goal against this period should cinch it. Then it’s a huge third period comeback.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’s not coming out here.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boo! Have faith sir. It seems like Jung getting into the game and the huge comeback are about equal odds.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, is Scott being careful what he wishes for yet?
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No forecheck, five guys in the neutral zone. Let’s just stop this from getting worse.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To my eye Lubo has been awful
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Shall we save time and just say who hasn’t been awful?
This Jung guy has looked all right warming the bench so far.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Penner
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too many half-assed shifts. A 6/10 at best.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mrs. Bruce: It would be nice if had a team that could compete on a regular basis.
Bruce: Hey we won last game. Whaddya want, two in a row?
Mrs. Bruce: They just don’t look like they want it.
*
She has a way of getting right to the heart of the matter.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Souray has been excellent.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He scored two goals on the night: one for and one against.
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by Doogie2K on Nov 22, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well its just like the first game against the Hawks. Everyone looks terrible. Why? Because the Hawks are that much better. Fast, big, hard on the puck, skilled etc etc. Men against boys.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NHL stars vs. AHL scrubs
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone hasn’t been listening to Kevin Weekes. It’s about effort, man!
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was it in before Horc touched it?
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, it wasn’t a goal, most likely. But WORK HARDER!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, that was an awesome fake-out celebration by Horc. He should use that more often.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not going to count.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely no way should that count.
Since we don’t deserve to be in this game at all I can hardly even call it “bad luck”.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there was intent to blow.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We blow all right
… whether we intend to or not
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Horcoff with a heads-up play"
… to celebrate a non-goal with the puck in the blue paint? Get your head out of your ass, man, there’s time to celebrate later.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well… I figure he thought it was in and then saw it once Huet moved. If it was intentional, there is a certain amount of genius behind it. Not when the clock is ticking down to zero, but, in general, it could work once or twice. It’s also pretty cheap.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Bruce to be fair the ref signalled a goal so of course you’re going to celebrate.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
goal wasnt signalled. hemsky started celebrating
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Hemsky worked harder, it would have counted.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No sum, I have it PVR’d , I just checked it, the ref clearly signals a goal before Horcoff gets in there
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Twice. He signals it twice. And then Horcoff pokes it in to be sure.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
aaaah…then whose fault is it? the refs?
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put it this way. Someone shoots the puck. The ref signals a goal. A player generally isn’t going to go flying into the crease looking to make sure its in. The ref signalled a goal so everyone stopped. Then Horcoff saw it was loose and figured he had better make sure.
If he had seen it half a second earlier then its all ok.
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the light is on.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right call, but still FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK.
Come on, thecaptainethanmoreau, make yourself useful, clock a ref, and get a lifetime suspension.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The way things are going right now
We delay 2/10 of a second to put the puck in the net, with 1/10 of a second margin for error. Any other second of the period except the last one, it doesn’t make a fig’s bit of difference if the zebra and others are premature. Of course, if it hasn’t been the last second Hemsky probably never would have made that play.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if it hasn’t been the last second Hemsky probably never would have made that play.
true
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Over-under: 5.5 Chicago goals in this game.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If it’s Deslauriers in net for the third I say over. If it’s Jung I’m taking the under.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The forwards worked their ass off on that shift.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade
Someone who is not me do an article on what the offer for Heatley would be, knowing what we know now.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 9:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, we know that Penner is great, Smid is pretty good, and Cogliano has negative value, so it could easily be the same.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
6 times the puck has gone past JDD, Post is keeping torrie jung away
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Matt Pettinger just cleared waivers. Pettinger is no hell and that’s for sure, but he’s better than some of the guys we’re rolling over the boards.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But he never curbstomped a guy and therefore he can never be a Steve Tambellini waiver pickup.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
some good news
eberle 2g 3a so far
toni rajala 2 g for the night
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is good news. As an Oiler fan, I’ve known for a long time that you look to the past for glory and to the future for hope. Thanks for the reminder!
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also Dubnyk with a win with a 29 save performance
by SumOil on Nov 21, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of stick work on Penner going to the net.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Moreau too. Glad the refs caught that one :)
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was ridiculous
I know we had that argument at Ty’s place a few nights ago but Penner wasn’t doing that last year. He’s playing out of his mind.
How many 3rd period penalties in the offensive zone has Moreau taken this season?
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Penner mentioned early in the season that he was intentionally doing more of that this season. He was basically coached away from it last year since rushing at three guys does in fact result in turnovers sometimes. Now, true as that may be, he’s shown that it results in good things a lot of the time as well.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt about the whole one on three issue ;) but he’s definitely attacking the net down low with the puck all of the time
61% on draws tonight, holy smokes
by Pat Mc on Nov 21, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s not on the ice, the Oilers don’t score.
He’s been on for 22 of 44 even strength goals
He’s been on for 12 of 20 power play goals
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you there but I do think a lot of that is what he thinks he’s supposed to and/or permitted to do. He’s always been effective in the o-zone though. It’s the d-zone where he’s struggled a bit more. I think he’s improved a bit there but the real difference is style in the o-zone from what I can see.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And another thing. Don’t get too excited about the draws. He did well tonight but the overall pattern this year has been pretty poor and his career record isn’t encouraging IIRC.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we’re gonna suck, then let’s do it big time. I want me some Toews calibre draft picks.
by Greg.O on Nov 21, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We had one, remember? We got our fourth line centre with it. You probably can’t remember, since tonight he’s been completely invisible.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
6th overall is ok, but we need some back to back lottery picks. Crosby/Malkin. Toews/Kane.
by Greg.O on Nov 21, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d settle for another offer sheet for a Penner type.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think these are all the back-to-back picks in top three from 1996 on:
Zyuzin/Marleau/Stuart – worked out I guess
Stefan/Heatley/Kovalchuk/Lehtonen – Don Waddell, seriously
Bouwmeester/Horton – ouch
Fleury/Malkin/Crosby/Staal – success!
Toews/Kane – success!
Stamkos/Hedman – ???
The problem is that it’s not fool-proof. Well, actually, the problem is not we’re run by fools.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is that we’re run by fools. That we’re run…
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How much more do you want to suck? This is already pretty bad.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad re-build analogy: We think we want to get her pregnant, then we keep pulling at the last minute.
by Greg.O on Nov 21, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pulling _______
- out
- up lame
- fill in the blank
by Greg.O on Nov 21, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your analogy scares me. Both because if they’re intending to tank, they’re doing a bad job and because it to seems frightening to now know if you’d like to get a girl pregnant. That’s something you should know! (which I guess is the point)
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EIG / Katz caught Lowe in the act, then Souray happened.
I’m not sure how to extend the analogy to the Heatley scenario, but there is something dysfunctional going on.
by Greg.O on Nov 21, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness. I need to proof read better.
…and because it seems frightening to not know if you’d like to get a girl pregnant…
Edit button!
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just finish the analogy for me, and I’ll be happy.
Is Katz standing behind Tambo saying “you better not do it boy”?
by Greg.O on Nov 21, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's 3 in the last week
… that have been scored with Ethan in the box. The three penalties were a combined 560 feet from our net. That one these is a bit of a weak call, but it’s nothing we haven’t seen before and that is for sure.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
… and there but for the grace of the referee was another one. Mercy non-call by Mr. Stripes.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1st game: 1 GA
2nd game: 2 GA
3rd game: 3 GA
4th game: 4 GA
5th game: 5 GA
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Predictive!
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How long can he keep it going?
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right! I should’ve taken the under!
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 21, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Corsi
If you had Penner, Gilbert, and Cogliano in the postive Corsi pool, you are the big winner.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
On After Hours, Scott Oake just called Dustin Penner “one of, if not the greatest comeback story in the NHL over the last couple seasons”. Even when Oake compliments Penner, he insults him
Penner, meanwhile, looks like he’s on quaaludes and would rather be getting bag skated with Pat Quinn on his back.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 10:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also, Scott Oake has broken the world record for “worse usage of the phrase ‘go viral’ in world history”, breaking the previous mark held by Scott Oake.
And now he’s talking about how he’s surprised Penner hasn’t had to go see a psychiatrist. GET UP AND WALK AWAY, DUSTIN! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU WOULD BE A HERO TO ALL OF CANADA, DUSTIN! If you storm out of After Hours I swear to god I will never make another well-intentioned fat joke!
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST THING I’VE EVER SEEN.
by Benjamin Massey on Nov 21, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather see Weekes do this interview. He seems to enjoy himself, rather than be completely full of himself.
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by Derek Zona on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dense as Oake
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 21, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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