Edmonton - Calgary Post-Game: Even When We Win, We Lose
His stick was probably over the net. Let's be clear on that right now. The blade was about Rene Bourque's shoulder height. Rene Bourque is listed 6'2" and I'd estimate his stick at about 4'8" - 4'11" based on that. A goal is four feet high. Ergo, that goal, according to the letter of the law, should not have counted.
But I don't really care. Because when Bourque's stick hit the puck, the puck dropped like a stone, hit the ice almost immediately, and lost almost all its inertia. It slithered towards Nikolai Khabibulin, who in spite of the deflection was still square. In NHL terms, that puck was moving slowly enough that Khabibulin should have had time to go get a hot dog before dropping into the butterfly to stop it. Instead, that ridiculous puck slipped through his five hole as our resident Russian awkwardly tried to squeeze his pads together like a senior citizen fighting an involuntary bowel movement.
Quoting @elQuain on the InterTwitters: […Khabibulin]’s much more like an appeaser or the personification of the Maginot Line.
The Maginot Line? Expensive, sprawling, obsolete the instant it was acquired, and easily bypassed? Finally, Nikolai Khabibulin has a nickname.
And Raffi Torres and Dany Heatley have four goals between them in the San Jose - Columbus game tonight. Which is also lovely.
The Oilers weren't horrible. After three games of waiting, Ryan Stone showed something. He ran around the ice in a good way and dropped a couple of solid bodychecks while never getting burned by a talented team. Ales Hemsky finally put something up on a magnificent goal set up by the solid Shawn Horcoff and the surprisingly reliable Denis Grebeshkov. Dustin Penner didn't find the net but was a wrecking ball once again. The defensemen were great from one through six. Even Ladislav Smid had his moment of triumph, deliberately taking a Dion Phaneuf slapshot off the ankle while Oilers killed a 5-on-3, watching the puck carom off his ankle into the neutral zone, and skating much faster than I could back to the bench with a noticeable limp before dropping a massive F-bomb for the television camera.
Who knew Denis Grebeshkov could pinch properly, and who knew Shawn Horcoff could drop back to cover him without looking like a gormless buffoon? Most of us could have guessed it, but the difference between a Pat Quinn team and a Craig MacTavish team seems to be that a Pat Quinn team actually uses its skills. Grebeshkov pinches confidently to gather up the puck, knowing that Horcoff will cover him. Horcoff covers Grebeshkov, knowing that the man once known for his LSD-inspired play will get him the puck. Horcoff bombs a shot, Hemsky bangs it in, and all of it was made possible because if they didn't pull it off, the coach wouldn't bench them for getting too fancy. It was like watching a real hockey team.
But. Jean-Francois Jacques is somehow getting worse; he's playing like the offspring of a stop sign and a cinder block. Ethan Moreau redeemed his stupid penalty with a fine goal but was otherwise inoffensive at best and, but for Jarome Iginla's sportsmanship, would have been murdered in his ill-advised fight. There was too much running around, too many lazy plays. Andrew Cogliano made a very clever play in the second period where he generated a scoring chance with his speed and a little chip to Gilbert Brule but you could be otherwise forgiven for not knowing they were on the ice. Sam Gagner, who shot like an assassin in games one and two, couldn't finish when the Oilers needed him. Particularly in overtime, Gagner was flying up and down the ice but firing pucks into Kiprusoff, firing them wide, firing them into Robyn Regehr's ankles. The one five-bell chance he set up in the third period, he set up to Zach Stortini who puttered the puck wide like a fourth-line enforcer.
Sheldon Souray got his eggs scrambled. It was a careless play by Iginla in the first period, letting his stick get tangled up in Souray's skates and by the time Souray lost his balance it was too late for Iginla to stop. Iginla got exactly the penalty he deserved: a two-minute minor for losing control. It was our bad luck that Souray went in as hard as he did. Mike Comrie very nearly mirrored Iginla in the third going into the corner with a Flame whose name eludes me, but the Flame kept his balance a bit longer and harmlessly hit the boards with his shoulder. In such accidents can entire seasons lay, and the words "mild concussion" are frightening as hell when applied to your best defenseman. No suspension for Iginla, though, except out of spite. Damn this game.
And there was Khabibulin. Good god. He was the second star. He couldn't be the second star if he was a supernova.
Four more years, my friends. Four more years.
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Who knew Denis Grebeshkov could pinch properly, and who knew Shawn Horcoff could drop back to cover him without looking like a gormless buffoon? Most of us could have guessed it, but the difference between a Pat Quinn team and a Craig MacTavish team seems to be that a Pat Quinn team actually uses its skills. Grebeshkov pinches confidently to gather up the puck, knowing that Horcoff will cover him. Horcoff covers Grebeshkov, knowing that the man once known for his LSD-inspired play will get him the puck. Horcoff bombs a shot, Hemsky bangs it in, and all of it was made possible because if they didn’t pull it off, the coach wouldn’t bench them for getting too fancy. It was like watching a real hockey team.
I said it in the GDT – that was a beautiful play, subtle and smart between the two of them. DeBrusk was slobbering all ove Jacques for the play, but that goal was Grebs and Horc.
That’s a play that at least seven guys on the roster don’t even think of, let alone execute.
I love “Maginot Line”, by the way.
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
I do think Jacques deserves some credit on that play too though. He put in a good forecheck and it looked to me like the dman (Bouw) allowed him to get there first to avoid taking a hit (and because he knows JF probably isn’t going to do anything useful). I’m pretty confident that if it’s Nilsson making the forecheck, Bouw just goes back and collects the puck. Now, JF still did more bad than good this game but I did think it was his best of the three.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 9, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU--
—UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
Two more seconds. Jesus fucking Christ, two more Goddamned motherfucking seconds.
Some days I really hate this team.
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Doogie: How about this for a double whammy. I’ve “only” been an Oilers fan since 1972. I’ve been a St. Louis Cardinals fan for a decade longer than that. Diehard fan of both teams.
So yesterday I died pretty goddamned hard. Twice.
One of my worst days ever as a sports fan.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 9, 2009 5:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh right, that guy with the glove was a Cardinal.
Damn. My sympathies.
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He had a glove? Looked to me like he tried to catch the ball with his nuts.
Seriously, he looked like a 4-year-old playing catch for the first time … does the glove go this way? or that way? or … ouch!
It’d be a lot funnier if it wasn’t a freakin’ playoff game.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 9, 2009 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
And to think you cheered that man, loved that man, when he knocked the ball out of the park earlier in the game. Betrayal.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 9, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
He’s a hired gun, and paid well to produce more plusses than minuses. They don’t get a much bigger minus than the difference between making the .990 play and going home 1-1 after a brilliant pitching performance by the Second Ace, and instead it’s 2-0 and Mo Mentum has left the building. If they come back from this one, well, that would be a story.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 9, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I am doomed…..Today soo many flames fans are gonna make fun of me…I almost dont want to go to Uni. But then……I am gonna defend my oilers AGAIN
I don’t even bother defending them when something dumb like that happens.
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Who's covering the point?
For a very average effort for the most part, this one glaring absence stuck out in my mind and I’m sure every Oiler fan who sunk back in their seats with 2 seconds left. All game long the Flames D had more time than Tom Brady to find seams to the net with point shots. No Oiler forward was even close to monitoring a zip code distance leading up to the point. And it burned them twice. Souray never gets that much time. He’d break Coffey’s goal record if he did. Well, that and he’s gonna have to start getting his shots 5 feet lower. No Oiler D gets that much time and space. No D should. Definitely that’s gotta get looked at.
I’m loving Visnovsky and his ability to evade checkers and get that puck moving fast in the right direction. He had a fantastic game. My 1st star. I noticed Cogliano. He was moving out there. The rest of the squad (maybe a couple more exceptions) looked subdued compared to the first two games. Not as much energy or urgency. Still, that should have been 2 point. COVER THE POINT!!!!
At least on the winning goal that was Penner’s man that took the shot. In fairness to Penner, Bouw got off a quick wrister but he still wasn’t playing high enough given the situation and ended up being too slow to cover the shooting lane.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 9, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
My favorite moment yesterday was when in the 3rd period moreau on gagner’s line was skating with the puck and the commentator says: Here is Moreau taking the puck up the center ice ..slowly….lol
Moreau
That picture up top just turns my stomach. Iginla goons one of our most important players, and thecaptainethanmoreau goes for retribution by letting Iginla posterize him and the Oil drop. Pathetic.
Moreau is the worst fighter on the Oilers since Kelly Buchberger. Seriously. He falls down in the first three seconds every time. Sometimes he pulls his shoulder out of its socket first.
I’m also very cross with Moreau’s stupid centring pass in the last 30 seconds. We used to teach that in friggin’ pee wee; if we have the lead late, no centring passes. What was he trying to do, get the Gordie Howe hat trick? Win the damn game, man. Ben will tell you the play there is to take the ball to the corner flag and pin it there.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 9, 2009 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Moreau.
In the GDT, I posted this when it happened:
Effing Moreau.
Penner and Horcoff dig the puck out for him and instead of getting into the corner, he throws it in front and let’s Calgary kick it out.
There are some really bad players on the Oilers right now, and they aren’t the kids…
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The kids sure aren’t helping, though.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 9, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Like I said “That’s a play that at least seven guys on the roster don’t even think of, let alone execute.”
There just aren’t enough guys on the roster that can play this game.
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You give that same puck to Zack Stortini along the boards there, and I’d bet good money on it being at least 3-5 seconds before Calgary gets the puck, and more likely that it gets cycled — safely — to another Oiler. Some kids have a better grip on the fundamentals than thecaptain.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 9, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Even if it’s not safely cycled, it’s going to the corner.
It HAS to go the corner.
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Which kids are those? There are kids everywhere
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Hope Souray is well and returns to action soon
…not going to fully rehash my opinion of Quinn here, but sufficed to say, “dirt” does not show such obvious concern for a fallen opponent, nor does “dirt” hold up when Moreau goes down.
After the way he lost the first game against the Flames, I can kinda understand it, but really, I can’t understand the hate for Khabibulin over last night’s game. Three deflections in front of the net that most goalies won’t be stopping. If not for Khabibulin, the Oilers don’t even get a point out of this one. He made some outstanding saves last night, especially on that two man advantage for the Flames. If I was to question those goals from an Oilers perspective, I’d be asking why the Flames are being allowed to get guys in front of the net untouched.
I think Iginla’s play was pretty clearly accidental. Like Ben said, he just lost control and something unfortunate happened.
I also agree that Khabibulin played pretty well this game. Unfortunately for him, he’s allowed the winning/tying goal in the last few seconds twice in three games, both times against the Flames. That’ll get you some ribbing. Plus, the Maginot Line is such a perfect nickname for him since it can play off the “Bulin Wall” nickname. I think it’s hilarious.
As for coverage issues, the first goal went in off Strudwick, the second was a deflection from pretty far off to the side (though Grebs kind of lost his man, though earlier in the sequence you see him cross-check a guy in front so it’s not as though they can stand there untouched) and on the third the Flames had an extra guy to cover. It sucks from an Oilers perspective but I don’t think there were huge breakdowns in front of the goal and as Ben said, if Khabby flops down to the butterfly on the last one it’s a 3-2 victory.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 9, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
To be honest, your review of Khabibulin reeks of bias. I get that you don’t like the signing/goalie, but Khabi was the best Oiler by a mile last night, and the only reason they got a single point. If the only goals your tender lets in are deflections, you’re doing OK. He made a lot of quality stops. FYI, most goalies will stand up for shots coming in at shoulder height, and the puck was going nowhere near as slow as you mention. Dropping down would likely have the same result, but it’s a split second decision on a shoulder height tip. Hardly a bad goal. Bad luck, sure. Same with Jokinen’s goal.
And I get that Horcoff is our most important forward and does a tonne of stuff well that doesn’t show up on the scoreboard. However, I think you’re over-rating the quality of his play on the goal and ignoring how frequently the play died on his stick offensively. He’s been dreadful with the puck, as has Hemsky. His skating looks laborious and his decision making is poor. Maybe he’s still being overplayed, but he’s got to get back to the player he was two years ago or this teams in trouble. We need offense from him. I’m not undervaluing all the stuff he does well, but if you’re playing with our best offensive player and getting substantiall PP time, you occasionally need to generate some offense yourself.
Agree with everything else, though I thought Brule looked good again and Strudwick looked surprisingly good. Better than Staios thus far, anyway (Damning with faint praise, I know)
The first goal clattered around, kicked off Strudwick, and wasn’t at any speed. Khabibulin ought to have stopped it if he was square; it didn’t shift that much.
The second goal was a good goal. No complaints.
The third goal I’ve been over. For what it’s worth, he was pretty bad in the shootout too, waving ineffectively at David Moss’s shot and allowing a distinct own goal to Olli Jokinen.
Just because a goal is a deflection doesn’t mean it’s automatically a different save. If the deflection significantly affects the trajectory without affecting the speed, it’s deadly. Just dropping the puck, as Bourque did, or shifting it slightly, as Strudwick did, and in the former case at medium range, does not automatically make it a five-alarm save.
Standing up to stop a puck coming in a foot above the post makes no sense. If Rene Bourque, standing that far away from the net, could put enough touch on the puck to tuck it beneath the crossbar and enough power that Khabibulin couldn’t just glove it, he’d be the first. That deflection is always going down.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 9, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just disagree. You seem to presume that Khabi knows when deflections are going to take place. Players wave at and miss pucks all the time. Moreover, a change in speed on a deflection, even if it slows, does not necessarily make it easier to save. Picking up a close in deflection is hard enough, but when it’s a backhand during a scramble that banks off a defenseman’s midsection, you’re either going to get lucky and the puck hits you or you’re not, IMO.
And while I agree that a goalie could drop to his knees to cover for possible deflections on a high shot, I’ve never seen any goalie ever do that. It makes some sense, as an untouched puck would just go over the net, but most goalies react like Khabi, stand up to try to corral the puck off their shoulder. Hence, I’ve seen that same goal scored on many goalies. Not unstoppable, but hardly a weak goal.
As for the shootout, I agree that Khabi was too deep in his net and off his angle on Moss. I thought he played Jokinen very well, the puck just banked off the post just before Khabi got his leg tight against it. Not sure how you’d blame that on him, and I wouldn’t refer to it as an own goal at all.
If Bourque had missed that shot, it would have roared over the goal by about two feet. Playing low was the smart play.
I admit that I’m not an old goalie, so my analysis of what most goaltenders do is flawed. I think I know what this one should have done, though.
And, on Jokinen’s goal, there was a considerable interlude between the puck getting off Jokinen’s stick and being hidden under Khabibulin’s pad to it hitting the post and sliding in. Until Sharp brings us in-pad cameras we won’t know exactly how it happened, but it looked to me that Khabibulin’s trying to “squeeze” the puck simply wriggled it off the post and into the net.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 9, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Like I said, going low on that shot makes sense but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. I played goal in soccer for 15 years, but I didn’t encounter too many deflections above the bar :) so the experience doesn’t really help. I did learn, however, that momentum’s a bitch, hence my comment about the speed of the deflected puck not always being relevant (see: wrong-footing the keeper in soccer). As Khabi was standing up, his momentum was moving up and dropping into a butterfly is not easy (I imagine).
Even if what you suggest occurred (and that isn’t my recollection, but I was also in a simmering-memory-impairing rage at the time), I still don’t see it as Khabi’s fault…he doesn’t have a pad cam either and getting the pad tight against the post is a goalie mantra.
I’m glad to read some level of sincere subjectivity on this blog. The Iginla incident was, what I can only assume, unintentional – and like a swing to hit the puck out of the air, accidentally catching a buy in the face, the penalty needs be for ‘losing control or carelessness’ vs intent to injure. 4 mins vs 5mins in the high stick with blood scenario.
It’s unforuntate for the Oil that Souray was injured. I think Quinn is a little to close to the team to be unbias on that one.
The Bourque goal was debateable for sure – by the letter of the law at least. There in lies the problem – the law. There’s no way that goal shouldn’t count other than the goofyness of the rule, which is flawed by it’s difficulty to enforce. If you’re going to have a high-sticking rule on deflections, then you need a good way to measure said rule. It’s not that Bourques stick was over the bar or not as the problem… it’s that it was close to that, which is the bigger problem, because how could they be certain enough to overrule it? They obviously could not and the on-ice call stands. If you can’t have certainty on a judgment then it’s really silly to have the rule as it is currently enforced. Really, same play at 3’11" stick height vs 4’1" stick height, is there a difference? No, but we’ve created that difference with a poorly enforceable metric, and it bites the Oil in the ass.
What obviously hurts for Oilers fans is that on three occassions the Flames got the fortunate outcome of the some of the poorer ‘stick rules’ the league has.
1. The Iggy play
2. The Bourque deflection
3. The Jokinen deke. (which surprisingly wasn’t mentioned) Again, should be a goal, but by the letter of the law, not, because if it hits the side of the net, it is a dead play, even if it then bounces off Khabby’s pad and into the net. Oh well.
Flames win in ugly fashion. I think those bounces even out in the long term. Just remember the game 6 Stanley Cup winner being dis-allowed that Khabby has Karma to pay back.
Maginot Line Reference
The Maginot Line reference made me laugh out loud. It instantly triggered a song by the Whiskey Rabbi: Geoff Berner. The song is appropriately named the Maginot Line. I thought it was fitting fuel for the fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-cR-U_S4H0&feature=related
Fun times.
Some optimism for Saturday night.
Apparently, in recent times, the Habs still suck ass the game after getting drilled on the road.
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Most of the people I know who suck after getting drilled are a lot more fun to watch than the Habs, though.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 9, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions

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