Oilers v. Bruins - 3 John 1-14
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 7:00 AM MDT
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Rick Ley, to my good friend Pat whom I love. My good old friend, I pray that you might retain your good health and that your gum will relieve all of the stress imposed upon you by your young and foolish team (who I have come to greatly admire). It gives me great joy to know that you are still faithful to the truth and to the ancient tradition of rolling lines. There is no greater joy than seeing the bottom pairing defenders taking shifts in the third period!
Dear friend, I see that your concern for the Oilers is genuine, even though they are still strangers to you. They are all praising you in interviews and are thus demonstrating to the world how wonderful it is to walk in the way of truth. You would do well to go with them on the road to make sure that everyone is ready to get traffic to the front of the net, taking it one shift at a time for the full sixty minutes and giving 110 per cent.
It is for the sake of our traditions that you must have success. You won't be receiving any help form these young bucks like Julien, that Bostonian pagan from whom you will receive no favours. So you must make sure that the Oilers - your partners in this good fight against the tyranny of new ways - are always getting the appropriate hospitality. I know that means you'll need to get a hotel outside of Boston but it will be worth it to show them just how much you love them.
I tried to write to you before but I think Renney, who would love to steal your job I might add, must have gotten my letter. If you would only hire me to run the defence I wouldn't grumble about rolling the defenders like he does and I will stay faithful to our traditions that he wants nothing to do with. I will call attention to all of his undermining tactics and make sure that you are aware of his malicious gossip. Remember when you asked him for a favour and he couldn't even convince Tambellini to sign a responsible center? He found a problem with every suggestion, refusing to welcome a new man into the way of truth.
Dear friend, do not listen to the ways of Renney, but stay faithful to what we've done year after year. And remember, anyone with good counting numbers is from God. Anyone with a low shooting percentage is not from God for God has cursed him. Dustin Penner is well-spoken of by everyone so you should trust him. Everyone on my side of the glass - and remember, I'm totally willing to change what side of the glass I'm on... call me - speaks well of him too, especially his big body presence. You know me well and so you know that I am telling you the truth.
There's so much more that I could write to you, but why would I use a pen and paper when we could just see each other face to face! Let me know what hotel you're staying at in Providence or Worcester or Lowell and I'll meet you there. I've got some practice drills ready to go! Until I see you, may the peace of God rest on you. I'll greet everyone here for you. Make sure to give everyone there my name and my best wishes.
Edmonton Oilers (7-5-1) @ Boston Bruins (5-5-1)
TD Banknorth Garden, 11:00 A.M. MDT
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More analysis after the jump...
Visiting Team Scouting Report: There were a lot of people calling on the Bruins to regress somewhat this year. The three main reasons were an expectation that Tim Thomas wouldn't be able to replicate his performance from last season, an expectation that Boston wouldn't be able to finish on such a high percentage of their shots again this season and a loss of talent over the summer, particularly Phil Kessel but also Aaron Ward and P.J. Axelsson. The first two things have indeed come to fruition and the third has been compounded by long-term injuries to Marc Savard and Milan Lucic. At this point the Bruins just don't have nearly as many scoring options as they had last year and are relying on some inexperienced options up front to carry a load that may be too heavy for them.
Behind the Numbers:
- Steve Staios has played four more games as an Oiler than Paul Coffey and has three fewer penalty minutes... and 540 fewer points.
- Shawn Horcoff has lost 31 faceoffs on the penalty kill. The rest of the team has taken 28.
- Steve MacIntyre has played in 3 games so far this year and has been given 4:54 in total ice time.
- Zack Stortini has played a total of 16:00 on the power play so far this season. Andrew Cogliano? 6:30
- Patrice Bergeron leads the Bruins in scoring with 8 points. There are 7 Oilers who have at least that many.
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I love the bruins and I watched each and every game of theirs last season. Last season there was something heavenly about them.
The Kessel breakout
The Wheeler goal against st. loius, which according to me was the goal of the NHL last
season.
The Vezina winner
The Norris Winner
Thiis season there its as if karma is leveling it out. They were at so much of a high that they had to fall down. And its happened.
Players to watch out:
Bergeron: He is back. the excellent 2way center is back to his pre-concussion form.
Chara. Are u frikkin kidding me. Everytime there is a 6-9 265 lb player is on the ice who hits like he does, skates like he does and has a shot like he does. He is a player to watch out for.
David Krejci: This defensively responsible center is a wizard with the puck. After a slow start, has shown signs of coming to life and a breakout game is around the corner.
They’ve also lost quite a bit of talent from last year between players moving to other teams and guys who are injured. That’s surely not going to help your “karma.”
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Today
I think the boys are in deep today. Flu-riddled, long flight east, early game – they might be down big in the first.
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Guys. Guys. Guys.
I’m at work so I’ll probably be missing this game, but a woman I work with has come in dressed as Mr. Spock, so it’s totally worth it.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 11:05 AM MDT reply actions
Pisani’s back? Well, we can book this two points.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 11:10 AM MDT reply actions
Easy tiger – kid line is still together.
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Penner – Horcoff – Hemsky
Cogliano – Gagner – Nilsson
Jacques – Brule – O’Sullivan
Moreau – Pisani – Stortini
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So Quinn is playing Pisani at center? Get out your pitchforks everyone!
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m hoping that this is just his way of easing him back into the lineup before he moves up with O’Sullivan and someone.
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Looked like Zorg in the middle to me. Hard to tell when the sound and the picture are not in the same space time continuum.
Not to mention that huge graphic telling us there’s no sound that’s taking out a quarter of the picture. Dumbasses.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Boston announcer said Storts is taking draws, Pisani is handling the defensive responsibilities
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I’m not seeing that. Stortini is coming way deep in the zone and Pisani is covering the point.
What I can say for sure is that the 4Line is about 4000% better with Fernando on it than SMac. Maybe more.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s just because Zack doesn’t know how to stay in position :)
No, you’re right, Storts is in the middle.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Watching on DVR and Bruce is correct. Nice eye, fellas.
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That third line looks on paper like it’s going to get smoked but they were (and it wasn’t close) the second best line against the Wings so I’ve moved my feelings on that group from “facepalm” to “cautiously pessimistic.”
I like the fourth line because Pisani is at center. I hope that he plays the whole game there and in the interview talks about how the team needs another defensively responsible man up the middle. My goodness would that ever be classic.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d prefer O’Sullivan – Gagner – Pisani. On paper it looks like that line might be able to swim against seconds.
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The Kid line gets absolutely buried in their own end again.
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Smid doing a lot more puckhandling than usual when the Kids are out, I’m finding.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 11:28 AM MDT reply actions
Smid’s been doing a lot more puckhandling in general. He really likes to skate the puck out of his end when there’s only one guy forechecking. It’s great to watch, though, as Derek mentioned below, he needs rescuing when he doesn’t beat that one guy.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I Love the way Smid skates.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I want some more of the way Smid skates.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
If you think making a country reference is witty, you’re quite wrong, my friend.
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Smid with a terrible giveaway. Grebs there to rescue him.
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Geniuses
They show the full screen during breaks in play, then throw up this huge blue rectangle as soon as play is in progress, telling us that problems are “temporary”.
I feel like I’m sitting behind Terry Jones.
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You know, if Peckham and Strudwick ever end up on the ice with the kid line, I’m pretty sure that they’ll never be able to get off of the ice again.
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Yeah. 43-49 had a horrible shift there. They finally got the puck up to POS along the boards and he did absolutely jackshit with it. Hard to tell from that sequence which one of the three is the three million dollar player.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
And six minutes of that was mandated TV timeout.
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Did the panel just say that the kid line did a good job against Detroit?
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Well, they found a way to get off the ice Derek. Take a penalty!
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions
They’ve used him there a number of times. He’s not good at it, but they have used him. I suppose it is a bit harder to understand with Pisani back in the lineup.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes
… and I really like Greene
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Did you see Moreau misread the play in the neutral zone? He jumped on to the attack before Cogliano had possession and we had both forwards out of position on the PK.
I thought veterans were supposed to know about stuff like that.
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It was a really good read. The Oilers were out-manned and he found a way to disrupt the play.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Brule made two beauty plays on the same back check. One to tip Chara’s shot, then to help clean up the loose puck in front of the net.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I was referring to the tip on Chara, but you’re right that his shift overall was good in the defensive zone. Hopefully this develops into a pattern.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
That was a pretty hilarious hit on Peckham. I’m glad it didn’t amount to much offensively.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:05 PM MDT reply actions
The Bruins ran a nice little pick play on Brule behind the net in the defensive zone. They had a guy end up with time and space behind the goalline. Nothing came of it, but offensive zone possession is something the Oilers haven’t really been able to generate this game and the Bruins are finding ways to get it.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions
The Bruins have also been able to generate a lot more odd-man rush chances. It seems like every time the Bruins are coming in 4-on-3 or 3-on-2 and then the Oilers head back the other way 2-on-2.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Stroke.
I’m going to have a brain bleed if the Oilers continue to employ that slide pass up the half boards in their own zone.
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It’s a classic! I remember using it from the time I first put on a pair of skates.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I know it’s a classic. So does everyone else.
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Are you disparaging Old Time Hockey!? I’ll be telling Rick Ley to get over to your house and give you a lesson in giving 110 per cent and putting the puck hard around the boards.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
By the third period, opponents are sitting on that slide. If the Oilers had their heads up – they would see options everywhere.
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Hemsky and Penner
are completely disinterested.
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You can’t expect the gods to interfere in the affairs of us mortals.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Say what you will about this game, but apparently Maginot Line hasn’t been bad.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 12:22 PM MDT reply actions
Also, one giveaway aside, from what I’ve seen Ladislav Smid is first star.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
What in the holy hell was going on there? O Sullivan just stood there!
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On the original rush, what in the heck was Grebeshkov doing skating forward. Just before that he looked like he was in slow motion pinching a guy along the boards. It’s like his brain is working extra slowly so far today. Maybe some downers?
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
You’ve got to come down from the high sometime.
I’m watching this on DVR over and over. I have no idea what O’Sullivan was doing. He was fresh on the ice, had good legs and he just stands there watching the puck go all around him.
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Maybe he was having a vision. Saw an angel or something.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Of all the guys on the kid line, I’ve liked Nilsson’s game the best so far today. It seems like he has a much better idea of where to be defensively and he’s generally been a bit harder along the boards than the other two.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:26 PM MDT reply actions
It’s been that way all year. He just doesn’t always do it. He’s been using the body, he’s been hard in the corners and his passes and clearing attempts have some balls behind them.
Cogs is lost and floating again.
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Horpensky
Combined -29 Corsi through 2
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looks like ur pre-game prediction has been true…..
hoever both clubs are about even when ot comes to total shots
Yeah, I was noticing that
0 shots on goal when any of them is on the ice. Hemsky’s only stat is a blocked shot, which is fine in and of itself, but not what he’s out there for. Horc 3/11 on the dot. Their possession time has been pretty much nil.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I think a big part of that is Chara. He just dominates physically along the wall and his reach negates a lot of what Hemsky tries to do.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
When either Horcoff or Penner engage Chara – linemates aren’t supporting very well
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Gilbert with the slide up the wall
and I forget everything that’s happened since 2007.
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Is that a bad thing?
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You make a good point. However, it this keeps happening, I’m going to have full amnesia.
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I’m pretty sure Pisani gave him the stick.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah that was Fernando
… meaning Sobotka continued to be checked by a guy without a stick. Meanwhile Peckham didn’t swiutch off and take the goal scorer.
One of those “good plays” the announcers always rave about, but I’d rather Pisani kept his stick — and his position
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Nah, he cycled high to the point instead of coming low when he saw they were outnumbered.
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Horpensky broken.
Penner back with Brule
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Might as well
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I know I like to preach patience, but I’d rather be patient with Theo Peckham in Springfield. Or Stockton. He has been unremittingly awful in every appearance this season.
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The Oilers must look awful today, Bruce is getting in one of his moods. See also: Calgary games. Stockton?
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Are the Odessa Jackalopes still around?
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m telling you, Quinn, since I know you’re reading. Alternate between Horpensky and Gagpensky when one combination or the other isn’t working, because Pensky is your best possible combination by multiples.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions
Not today
Both Hemsky and Penner have Sucked in this game
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Penner has been completely nullified by Chara, but Hemsky is just not interested in playing at all.
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Which is part of the reason you have to shake things up. The Bruins defense is dominating them physically, so throw a dangle-guy like Gagner into the mix. Even Chara isn’t big enough to check Hemsky and Gagner simultaneously, and it’ll open up some ice.
In other games when you need a more balanced approach, stick with Horpensky.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
The advantage to splitting them up in this game is that it gets one of them away from Chara. So far it’s been Horsky that’s getting the easier matchup which they promptly turned into a -1.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
sigh
O’Sullivan back on the point.
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Who would you like to see in his place? I think they’re using 77-41 on the second unit so that they actually have defenders out there when the penalty ends but I’d be inclined to use 41 on the first unit and try 5 on the second with 77.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
With both Souray and Visnovsky out, the obvious answer is to say “fuck this point shot shit” and go with a playmaking hands team. That would mean Grebeshkov, Gilbert, Chorney, and probably Smid.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Surely O’Sullivan isn’t on the point for his “shot”
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
To tell you the truth, I dunno. I haven’t liked his play there at all. Not one bit.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 2, 2009 12:31 AM MST up reply actions
Exactly. Smid can at least handle the puck.
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These NESN commentators are really good, but saying “there’s nobody in the NHL now who can’t really skate” when the Bruins are playing the team that employs Steve Macintyre is just a miscalculation.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 1:04 PM MDT reply actions
I know the guy hasn’t played and can’t play but so far MacIntyre hasn’t really looked bad in any of his (seven) shifts this season.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
This reminds me of a soccer game where one of the teams has had a couple guys red-carded. We are outnumbered around every puck in every zone.
Maybe it’s the flu, but the Oilers lack of compete level is frustrating in the extreme.
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I’ve seen a lot of soccer games in my time, Bruce, and none of them were as bad as those sixty minutes were.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
If you’re down two with about five minutes left and get a power play, do you consider pulling the goalie? I think I’d do it. The too many men penalty brought it to mind. I’m surprised teams don’t try that.
With no icing in effect, it’s actually not that difficult to score an empty-netter from your own end. An NHL forward probably makes that shot one time in three. So it’s not necessarily a percentage play.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I don’t think it’s a high percentage play in general but at some point in the game you need to be willing to take the extra risk because your odds of coming back are so low. I’m just wondering when that time is.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
"They kept pushing right to the end" ???????????????????
They started pushing with 60 seconds left.
Hemsky was on the ice for 2 shots on net the whole game, both in garbage time. Can somebody please explain to me the principle of this “bargain contract” he supposedly signed?
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I suspect this post-game thread is going to make me look chipper and upbeat by comparison.
by Benjamin Massey on Oct 31, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, you see, Hemsky signed away several years of unrestricted free agency at a price point that is lower then he could get now on the open market. Of course, his play, like that of most NHL players, fluctuates from game to game and so it’s sometimes surprising that 4.1M for “garbage time guy” is a bargain. In Hemsky’s case, I imagine management is a bit disappointed with the results but it’s sure worked out a lot better than most of their other bets.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, yeah
I get it. What I know for sure is the guy gets paid $50,000 a game and there’s way too many games where he earns about 50 cents. He’s supposed to lead our offence. Which was, once again, MIA in Beantown today.
It’s not just Hemmer, but he’s a good place to start when you keep getting egged.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
But then other nights he’s excellent. This is all pretty normal variance from players who are good, maybe great, but not elite. I’m sure there are nights when Jason Pominville, Jarome Iginla and Mike Ribeiro look off too.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup
… and I’m sure their fans rail on them just as much. What frustrates me is when players don’t even look interested.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Look, ragging on his play doesn’t bother me but ragging on his pay strikes me as disingenuous since you know why he gets paid what he does and that his contract is under-market. So why do it?
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, I just get tired of seeing Ales get a free pass because of his “value contract”. Today he didn’t even attempt a shot on goal. He was on the ice for almost all of both powerplays and neither generated a shot on goal. In fact it wasn’t until the goalie was out and the game was lost that any Oiler took an actual shot on net with Hemsky on the ice. Which is a lousy game for any price.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, he clearly had a poor game. Even when they got him and Horc away from Chara they couldn’t create any offence against Boston’s lesser lights. Hemsky was a huge part of what went wrong this afternoon. Hopefully he (well, and the rest of the team) can pick himself up and play well against the Islanders. They’ve got a day to rest up and the Islanders are no hell, so they’d best get a win in that one. And if they lose, I can only hope it’s to a Rob Schremp lacrosse-style shoot-out winner.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 31, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup
Thanks, SumOil.
I tried not to rag on anybody in the PGT. (Well, Peckham, a little bit in the caption). But I don’t have enough fingers to point today. And I knew this game would be a stinker before the puck was ever dropped. Afternoon game, short turnaround, in Boston, top pairing down, flu-ridden line-up … that’s a whole lot of negatives. So it’s time to just let it go.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 31, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
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