Bargain bin special: Randy Jones
Flyers' defenceman Randy Jones is currently available on recallable waivers, for half of his $2.75 MM cap hit. Jones was a victim of salary cap economics at the start of the season, but with today's announcement of Simon Gagne's Long Term Injured Reserve status, the Flyers are using the cap room to try to slip Jones back up to the bigs. Should Oilers consider taking a "flyer" on Jones?
Randy Jones is 28 and his contract expires at season's end, two positives in my view. This team has far too few prime-of-career players, and far too few in the <$1.5 MM category as Jones would be on re-entry waivers. In terms of career-stage and contract he's in a similar position as Mike Comrie.
Jones was a 19-minute a game player the last two years in Philly, and was a plus player in both regular season and playoffs both years. (Total 140 GP, 9-33-42, +23, 84 PiM) Last year the 6'2, 200-pounder played 47 games, posting 4-4-8, +8. His Behind the Net data show him getting third-pairing QualComp and QualTeam with a typical third-pairing lousy Corsi (about -7 Relative Corsi which isn't that bad). To balance that he had a team best PDO# (team Sh% + Sv% when on ice) of 1.011, so that his goal differential of +0.36/60 was exactly on the team average. He started in his own end quite a bit (198 defensive zone faceoffs compared to 166 in the other end). He played a couple minutes per game on each special team with indifferent results. Despite a two game suspension for the highly-publicized boarding of Patrice Bergeron, Jones is not a physical defenceman, recording just 20 hits last season (8th among Flyers defencemen) and 66 blocked shots (6th).
Capgeek.com calculates that the Oilers currently have enough room to take on about $1.038 MM in annual salary, less than Jones even at half-price ($1.375 MM). Presumably, however, a contract would be coming off the active roster to make room for Jones. Possibilities include the waiver of Steve MacIntyre or Jason Strudwick, the reassignment of Steve Staios to LTIR, or a trade. Jones may or may not be better than Staios -- their cap hit is a wash -- but at least he's healthy. With Souray and Staios battling concussion, and Smid, Visnovsky and Gilbert the flu, there's something to be said for acquiring a veteran defender on the cheap.
Hat tip ---> Mr. DeBakey for his comment on the game report thread
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I’m no cap expert, but with a third of the year gone, his cap hit will be 920k, no?
by Oiler Mag on Oct 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither am I a cap expert, but the way Capgeek.com calculates it, the Oilers have $893K in room, which corresponds to taking on a full season salary of $1.038 MM. Thus you can easily calculate whether the incoming guy fits based on his salary cuz they’ve already made the adjustment.
Btw, I know the last week has seemed long, but we are closer to 1/7 of the way through the season than 1/3. Jones would still have close to $1.2 MM cap hit remaining.
So Oilers would have to pare some salary, but even if they dumped a minimum wage guy Jones would fit. He wouldn’t leave much room for further manoeuvring however.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 28, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s worth it unless they’re willing to dump a pretty expensive piece and actually save something against the cap. If we’re talking about sending down MacIntyre for Jones then we’re using at least half (and maybe more) of our available cap space on a guy that’s going to be at best our seventh and – given Renney’s fondness for Strudwick – more likely our eighth option on defence with everyone healthy. I’m sure he’s better than Chorney but over the long term I think it’s worthwhile to play Prospect X (Chorney in our case) for twenty or thirty games in a season. They shouldn’t be feeding the kid TOI like they are but that’s on the coaches.
At any rate, I would rather they use what available space is left on a forward that can help shore things up when someone attractive comes available on re-entry (Andy Hilbert, for example, has already gone through re-entry waivers once this year and at half-price he costs only $325,000).
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 28, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t they getting relief right now on Souray?
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by Derek Zona on Oct 28, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that relief only works for the amount that you’re over the cap limit by. They won’t get relief until they’re spending all the way to the cap limit which can cause problems later. This is what got Calgary into trouble toward the end of last season I believe.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 28, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is not a big deal – just ship someone out when Souray or Staios are available again.
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With no end in sight for our defensive woes (ie Staios and Souray concussions) I think the Oilers would be crazy to pass on some temporary blue line relief. Clear a little dead weight and bring this guy in. Once Souray or Staios is healthy we can just send Jones right back where he came from and have the cap space for future maneuvers regarding the forwards. Or would the Oilers be stuck with a portion of his salary for the rest of the season?
Seems like between most of the flu victims on the team recovering now and little help on the back end the skid could be halted before it gets ugly.
by zytsef on Oct 28, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, they’d need to pay half his salary for the whole season and I imagine they’re not too keen on paying a guy over a million bucks to play in the minors. It’s nice to think the Oil are operating in the same manner as Philly where they’re very willing to flush money to the AHL but thus far they’ve shown very little appetite for it. The only guys I recall them doing that with are Roy and Sabourin. Jones would be twice as expensive.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, I know the last week has seemed long, but we are closer to 1/7 of the way through the season than 1/3. Jones would still have close to $1.2 MM cap hit remaining.
lol – contracts start on July 1
by Oiler Mag on Oct 29, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s not how the salary cap works.
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
28 days divided by 193 days
=.145 of the season
=$1.18mm remaining on Jones’ contract
With Chorney returned to Springfield, they should be alright with the Cap
When Staios then Souray went down with brain pain, my first thought was
Christian Backman.
He’s a bottom pairing guy too, but could probably be had for Chorney money.
When everyone is back and healthy, he could just be waived.
Of course, the Oiler’s Traintrust never thinks my ideas are good.
by Mr DeBakey on Oct 29, 2009 8:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, the Oiler’s Traintrust never thinks my ideas are good.
Wear that as a badge of honor.
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take on Jones:
He’s been the 4th or 5th defenseman at 5-on-5 the last two seasons. The Flyers have brought tons of different guys in and played them ahead of him, like Ossi Vaananen or an ancient Jaroslav Modry. They gave him a bit of a shot on the PP in 07-08 and he had a bit higher point total.
He got the chance to play a lot in the 07-08 playoffs when the entire Flyers D corps was injured. They lost that series pretty handily. Upside is #4 D on a 10th-16th best team in the league. More realistic is #5 D at evens and on the PP and PK – ie – no special skill.
by Hawerchuk on Oct 29, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Upside is #4 D on a 10th-16th best team in the league. More realistic is #5 D at evens and on the PP and PK – ie – no special skill.
As a stopgap in place of Peckham/Strudwick/Chorney though, it makes sense. Even if he’s only a sixth (and a half) guy, that’s better than a 7,8 or 9 at this point.
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s an improvement on Strudwick it’s pretty marginal. I’m not convinced Jones is better. Plus, I see value in giving some limited NHL minutes to guys like Peckham and Chorney. They are the stop gap. Breaking them in a few games at a time in a 6D role is the way to go so that when you’re ready to promote them full time they know what to expect and have little pockets of experience.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 29, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking them in one at a time is key. Breaking them in together while Strudwick is in the lineup is bad things man.
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it’s bad but we’d only be playing one of them each game if the Oilers had actually called up a forward instead of playing with seven D for a couple of games. And again, I don’t think Jones is an improvement on Strudwick.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 29, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kings claim Randy Jones.
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, $#!+
Kings were higher up the pecking order. I wonder if the Oil had any interest.
LA has far more healthy depth than we do on D just now, started 7 defenders last game. Not sure where Jones fits, will be interesting to see what they do with him.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 29, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Philly’s not thrilled to have half his salary against the cap. Also, the Oilers can’t have had any interest since if they’d made a claim he’d be an Oiler and not a King.
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 29, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oilers were higher up the pecking order? I thought it was based on last year’s standings?
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Just looked it up at NHLscap and I’m right:
“If before November 1, then priority is set by the final standings in the prior League’s Regular Season, with the worst team having 1st priority.
“If after November 1, then priority is set by the League standings at the time the waiver request is submitted; the team with the lowest percentage of possible points has 1st priority – meaning that the waiver order can change during the season.”
Meaning the Kings (79 points) had priority over the Oilers (85). Next week, however, they won’t.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 29, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice find Bruce.
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by Derek Zona on Oct 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bruce. I didn’t know that waiver priority was based on last year’s standings until November (obviously). I’ll try to remember that for next year (and the next two days).
by Scott Reynolds on Oct 29, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I remembered is that in my keeper league pool waiver priority is based on last year’s standings … and we always tried to model our rules off of “real” NHL rules as much as possible. So we looked it up at some point.
Although in this case it’s a split rule (pre/post Halloween), so I learned something today too.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Oct 29, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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