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The amateur draft has become it's own sideline industry in professional sports. Draft experts hold down full-time jobs in all sports, though the NBA seems to lag behind in this job creation. Even casual fans put together mock drafts and the experts get airtime on multiple networks for months leading up to draft day. Players are scrutinzed, teams are analyzed, but in an industry where every player is pumped as the next great thing, there is very little opportunity to take the long view. Two gentlemen that were able to do so became the biggest successes their sport has seen.

Chuck Noll and Bill Walsh are the two most successful coaches in modern pro football history. The two couldn't have been more distinct, yet the two couldn't have been more alike. They were born 36 days apart, Noll in Cleveland, Walsh in Los Angeles. Noll made his way through college and into the NFL as a guard on the Cleveland Browns. In his seven year career, the Browns won two titles and played for two more. Walsh played college ball as a quarterback and tight end, but became a graduate assistant and got his Master's Degree in Physical Education as his talent level wasn't up to NFL standards.

Noll spent nine years as a defensive assistant for the Chargers and Colts prior to getting the head coaching job with the Steelers, where he built a team that won four Super Bowls, largely on the back of a once-in-a-century defense. Noll is noted for having an amazing draft record during his years as a personnel man. Walsh became an offensive assistant and spent time with the Raiders, Bengals and Chargers before taking the head coaching job with the 49ers, where he built a team that won three Super Bowls, largely on the back of a once-in-a-lifetime offense. Walsh is noted for having an amazing draft record during his years as a personnel man.

Noll and Walsh approached personnel and the structure of a team from opposite directions. Noll's strategy was to make the opponents stop his big-play guys, both on offense and defense. Walsh felt that winning teams were built off of the foundation of the bottom half of the roster, that his superiority in depth would swing the game in his direction against other championship-caliber teams.

Why would Noll and Walsh matter in a discussion of the upcoming NHL draft? Their reputations as personnel geniuses were built on the backs of their draft strategies -- and the most significant similarity between the two was the core of that strategy. Noll and Walsh approached the draft from completely opposite directions to arrive at a similar place. Noll stood pat each year take the best, smartest, player available. Walsh moved all over the draft board, trading up, moving down, trading for picks next year, moving up in this year's 4th round, trying to find the smartest players that fit team's system and circumstances. Both men wanted intelligence on the field, in practice and in the locker room -- not just in-game smarts, but genuine, well-rounded thinkers taking the field for them each week.

Both men stressed teaching as a coaching practice, and needed players that would learn the lessons quickly. Both coaches preferred to hire assistants from the amateur ranks, men who were teachers first. Noll expected his rookies to learn the system immediately. Walsh expected constant study from his players and threw constant updates to the game plan at them without hesitation. Noll's defense called their own signals on the field, changing defenses as often as the offense audibled. Walsh, as an assistant, was astonished to watch the Steeler defenders change defenses on their own, on the fly three or four times before a snap depending on what the Bengals were doing before the play.

Intelligence, it was the common thread in the draft strategy of the two most successful modern NFL coaches. The Oilers draft strategy under Kevin Lowe's regime was oft-criticized as being all over the place with questionable decisions throughout his tenure. However, Lowe's drafts have produced and in the later years of his time as the man pulling the trigger, he tended towards players of above-average intelligence. Guys like Sam Gagner, Jordan Eberle, Riley Nash, Jeff Petry, Andrew Cogliano, Chris Vande Velde and Cody Wild were all given marks for their brains. All are along different places in their development arc, but they look like they will have a shot at making a mark, even minor, in the NHL at this point. It should be noted that Rob Schremp was not in this group. Take that as you'd like.

Lowe should be lauded for veering towards intelligent players when most professional scouts seems to exclude intelligence from their scope. Most reports focus on things like speed, vision, toughness, physicality, and the dreaded upside. When scouting reports do mention intelligence, it's always "hockey smarts". Intelligence is never used as a way to separate the chaff from the wheat - it's just a throwaway. All of this discussion of intelligence raises some questions: In his first draft, will Steve Tambellini continue the recent trend of bringing intelligent kids into the system? Will he adhere to his self-imposed mandate of getting bigger at the expense of the organizational IQ? If the Oilers continue to make intelligence a priority, who are the kids that have separated themselves by their intelligence in this year's class?

The Oilers haven't really had a direction since the day Chris Pronger left town. Lowe, through the draft, has been slowly bringing an identity to the organization. Skilled, intelligent kids with a willingness and ability to learn are scattered everywhere. Steve Tambellini should not ignore the direction that Lowe has taken, and he should certainly heed the lessons of Chuck Noll and Bill Walsh, even at the expense of size and toughness.

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Hockey smarts and ability go hand in hand. At every increased level of hockey, the speed of the game and therefore time to make decisions gets reduced. I agree - the organizations philosophy on drafting is correct and to my eye is improving.

As for the current squad, it is also scattered with players who lack drive/compete. I'm hoping Quinn can do a better job motivating but much of it is internal and needs to be upgraded.

by Sean on Jun 4, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree coach 'hockey smarts' and 'intelligence' are not the same thing (cause I am hoping I have one, and I know I don't have the other).

I agree with the overall strategy of drafting players with considering mental evaluations: I would included consistency (not maturity) in any discussion.

I believe Kytnar and Plante should fall into your intelligent group as well. Kytnar ended up asking to go school, and then teaching his team mates. I remember hearing (but I can't find it know) that Plante destroyed the mental testing at the combine, around the time the Oilers drafted him. I always believed this since it made the pick look a little less off the the board at the time.

Further reflection, makes me think that using mental evaluations for deciding on European picks would be another good idea. These boys have to learn another language while learning a small ice-surface, and a little bit of brains would help these folks out.

Does anyone know what type of mental evaluations the NHL does at combine?

by B.C.B. on Jun 5, 2009 7:21 AM MDT reply actions  

I remember hearing (but I can't find it know) that Plante destroyed the mental testing at the combine, around the time the Oilers drafted him. I always believed this since it made the pick look a little less off the the board at the time.

I'd not previous heard this, but if it's the case, it makes complete sense. The organization has made a concerted effort to seek out and draft the smart kids. I wonder if LT knows. To the batphone, BCB!

by Coach pb9617 on Jun 5, 2009 11:17 AM MDT reply actions  

As for the current squad, it is also scattered with players who lack drive/compete.

Sean, who would you say those players are, because outside of the obvious one, I don't see a bunch of guys scattered

by Coach pb9617 on Jun 5, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Coach:

Nice post.

I didn't know the Oilers had focused on intelligence in their recent draft picks . . .

The NHL equivalent of Noll and Walsh would appear to be Ken Holland in Detroit, who went for numerous hockey smart players (I can't comment on their overall intelligence) such as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula.


I love hockey players who can think the game, which is why I'm partial to say Penner over Moreau, but I have no real idea whether this is the direction Tambellini is going to go.

There seems to be a lot of talk about "size and aggression" in Oilers land, and that has me a bit worried, as size and aggression don't always go with skill and intelligence, the two qualities I'd prefer to see on an Oilers team (if I had to pick, I mean, because I like size and aggression just fine, too).

by dstaples on Jun 5, 2009 1:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Outstanding post, Coach. I've followed the NFL just as long as I have hockey (although not as closely). I picked the Steelers as my team around 1964 when they had never won a championship of any kind and they continued to suck for a number of years thereafter. But then came Noll and Mean Joe and a whole sequence of outstanding drafts.

I'll never forget the one where they changed from a running team to a well-rounded and dangerous offence by picking John Stallworth and Lynn Swann, solidified the O-Line with Mike Webster, and pulled Jack Lambert out of thin air to become the centrepiece of the Steel Curtain defence. Four Hall-of-Famers in a single draft. The Steelers went from contenders to champions in the foursome's rookie season, and dominated the league for the rest of the 70s.

Terrifically interesting comp with the offensive whiz Walsh. No doubt they were almost as opposite poersonality types as their birthplaces are cities. Identifying their almost polar opposite approaches adds significance to those areas where they did overlap, which you have identified as intelligence and teaching. Passes the smell test, and there's certainly no arguing either guy's results.

by Bruce on Jun 5, 2009 1:12 PM MDT reply actions  

I didn't know the Oilers had focused on intelligence in their recent draft picks . . .

Maybe they haven't and this glut of bright kids is a coincidence. But it sure seems like they're checking for brains before they buy.

by Coach pb9617 on Jun 5, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Coach: Wasn't it you who asked about a 2-3-2 format in the Campbell Conference the other day? I caught the question, was pretty sure I knew the answer but couldn't check 'til now.

It happened just once, in 1994. Vancouver got a split in Toronto, came home and swept three straight. The rule disappeared immediately. :)

In a similar vein, the Stanley Cup Finals went to a 2-3-2 format for two seasons, 1984 and '85, and both times the Oilers got a split out east, came home and swept their way to the Cup. The rule disappeared pretty fast that time too.

The Oilers played in 8 of 10 Conference Finals from 1983-92, and the 2-2-1-1-1 format prevailed throughout. (Although given it was The Oilers, it was more likely to be a 2-2 format.)

As I recall, the experiment in '94 was an attempt to cut travel costs and fatigue. Toronto had played LA in a cross-continental 7-gamer the previous spring. I have a vague memory that it only applied if the teams had to cross 3 time zones, therefore it didn't apply in 1995 when Detroit played Chicago in the WCF. Maybe it was already rescinded by then. But for sure it did happen in the TOR-VAN series of '94.

Btw, any progress on the draft project?

by Bruce on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Bruce.

Mike Webster, now that is a tragic story. . .

I didn't know you were so into the NFL Bruce. I used to be, and I think I could tell you the line-up of the Steel Curtain off the top of my head, but I've given up on the NFL since the 1990s, along with Major League Baseball.

Too many sports, too little time.

by dstaples on Jun 5, 2009 3:02 PM MDT reply actions  

WAY OT.

Coach... have you had Labrum surgery?

by PDO on Jun 6, 2009 1:40 AM MDT reply actions  

PDO - I've not had Labrum surgery. My father had it though - the results were astonishing.

by Coach pb9617 on Jun 6, 2009 7:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Terrifically interesting comp with the offensive whiz Walsh. No doubt they were almost as opposite poersonality types as their birthplaces are cities. Identifying their almost polar opposite approaches adds significance to those areas where they did overlap, which you have identified as intelligence and teaching. Passes the smell test, and there's certainly no arguing either guy's results.

It's an approach that a hockey GM should be all over. This shouldn't be a nicety. Like Noll said the "best, smartest player available" should be the primary consideration. Even in retirement, the best NFL Films interviews come from Steelers and 49ers. Well-spoken, thoughtful guys were all over the place on those teams. Dwight White, Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Roger Craig, Mean Joe...these are bright guys that wanted to kill you.

by Coach pb9617 on Jun 6, 2009 7:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Coach: Wasn't it you who asked about a 2-3-2 format in the Campbell Conference the other day? I caught the question, was pretty sure I knew the answer but couldn't check 'til now.

I was. I know it happened, but I can't find any references to it and reasons behind it.

Thank you so much for the examples.

Btw, any progress on the draft project?

I wasn't doing a draft project - are you referring to the trade project?

by Coach pb9617 on Jun 6, 2009 7:24 AM MDT reply actions  

PDO - I've not had Labrum surgery. My father had it though - the results were astonishing.

I've injured my shoulder five times:

Three times, I've had a muscle/tendon slide over top my shoulder. Immense pain, followed by it "snapping" back into place and feeling fine. I dislocated it in February and then again on Tuesday.

Seeing a specialist in 2 weeks or so, but they think I've damaged my Labrum pretty badly.

Any idea what I should expect?

by PDO on Jun 6, 2009 10:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Surgery will have you in a sling for six weeks. It will hurt like hell for awhile and you won't be able to move your arm without therapy. Make sure you attend all of your PT and do everything they ask of you. My dad's shoulder is like new. He has all of the strength back.


His friend had the same surgery and didn't do the therapy. They had to put him out and do the stretches of the joint and break the scar tissue and stretch the tendons while he was unconscious.

Also - make sure you get the pictures from the scope - they are cool as hell.

by Coach pb9617 on Jun 7, 2009 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

That's... really shitty. Thanks for the info though.

by PDO on Jun 7, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions  

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