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As those of you who have been reading this site since its inception know, I am forever making references to two hockey books: Future Greats and Heartbreaks, by Gare Joyce, and King of Russia, by Dave King with Eric Duhatschek, because I think both do an outstanding job highlighting parts of hockey that are both relevant and rarely accessible.

Aside from that, anyone who was reading this blog back in April will know that I'm always very interested when a hockey book makes a reference to a player but doesn't give his name. One of my first posts was about such a player, nicknamed "the Fish" by Dave King, a player I'm quite confident I correctly identified - Stanislav Chistov.

Gare Joyce makes a bunch of similar references in his book to players, often without ever identifying who they really are. One of these is found on page 195 of Future Greats and Heartbreaks, a player that Joyce did a sample quote sheet on for the Columbus organization:

Junior coach: "Hard on himself- harder than we are on him a lot of the time. Very up and down emotionally. He's a hyper kid a lot of the time. He's had a couple of setbacks and he doesn't get over them quickly. They stay with him longer than they would most other kids."
A teammate: "He's in the gym all the time. He wants to watch video [of games] all the time. He thinks the more time he spends on the game, the better he'll be.
A former billet: "We had him our first year away from home [when he left to play midget AAA]. He went home after a month or so. He said he was homesick and I think he was. I also think his father wasn't real happy with [the son's] playing situation. Anyway, he came back after a time. He wasn't a bad kid- there weren't issues with the rules of the house- but he wasn't the most socially adept player we've put up, and we've put up kids from very small towns."
A coach who worked with him in a tournament: "It was a bad situation for him. We just had other players and I knew them. I didn't know him that well. I knew he had physical talent, some great skill, but I wondered about his game judgement sometimes. Of course, he was younger, but still, compared to other playes his own age, I don't think he was reading the game as well as he should have been- trying to do to much sometimes. I think that's a question that's still hanging out there."
Another source: "His father seems to be an issue."


The unnamed player was described as being a player that the staff in Columbus was familiar with; further, Don Boyd says that he knew the father could be an issue, making it all but certain that the player was Blue Jackets property for some time. He would also likely be a top pick, someone the scouts prioritized early on as a target.

I was reminded of this part of the book as I did research on Gilbert Brule for the series Wanye and I have been doing on him - the article that triggered my memory was from NHL.com. Here's some of the similarities:

But Brule is a rare breed that combines toughness and talent, all packaged within a quiet, almost unobtrusive demeanor. Brule is almost shy, but engaging. He will answer every question with respect and courtesy.

He tends to speak only when spoken to and shies away from the spotlight, but he can send a verbal message when necessary.

Brule's last junior coach, Don Hay, is effusive in his praise of Brule. "He is such a competitive young man, he really wants the puck in critical times and that's not a skill every player wants," Hay said. "He wants to be the player that makes the difference."


What I've read on the various message boards (reliability of such information: questionable) indicated that Brule's dad was a possible obstacle in his playing career.

Further similarities are plain in a Randy Sportak piece from Noveber of 2004 (one we highlighted in Part 1 of the Brule series). Here are some choice quotes from Brule, and Don Hay, his junior coach:

Brule: "I don't want all that attention and pressure. I put enough pressure on myself already."

"I don't think bigger is better all the time. I'm not the biggest player out there but I can still take the puck off a guy."

"It's how hard you're willing to work and how hard you compete."

Hay: "We had to pull the reins on him a bit because he was taking matters into his own hands too often. He's starting to learn there's the right time to do it and there's the right time to walk away."

It all seems to point to one thing: Gilbert Brule is the player that Joyce was referring to. A player who puts a ton of pressure on himself, is socially awkward, but has a high level of drive and a near-obsession with the game. It's gotta be Gilbert Brule.

Update: Two readers have called me to task respecting the quote from a former billet. Their reasoning is that Brule played AAA in Vancouver, while living at home. Although I've yet to see any firm confirmation of this, it does seem extremely plausible, and the idea that Joyce would confuse AAA with Tier II Junior A seems unlikely; thus making my deduction less likely than I originally thought.

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I thought Brule moved to Vancouver with his mom and sister when he was 3 and did his midget in North Van. If so, why would he have been billeting?

by Randall Shermer on Aug 14, 2008 11:08 PM MDT reply actions  

If you replaced DAD with MOM I would have sworn the player was Joni Pitkanen.

by Oilman on Aug 15, 2008 8:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Or the guy he got traded for ...

Hard on himself- harder than we are on him a lot of the time. Very up and down emotionally.

by Sean on Aug 15, 2008 8:41 AM MDT reply actions  

I thought Brule moved to Vancouver with his mom and sister when he was 3 and did his midget in North Van. If so, why would he have been billeting?

When he played for the Quesnel Millionaires, presumably.

by Jonathan Willis on Aug 15, 2008 8:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Oilman beat me to the punch.

Still, interesting none the less. And very curious that the Oilers would take him on given that they just gave up on Pitkanen...

.. must be the Canadian factor.

by PDO on Aug 15, 2008 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Your title "I'll Never Make it as a Detective" is absolutely bang on. The references from Joyce's book have absolutely nothing to do with Gilbert Brule. If you think this unnamed player from Columbus Blue Jackets is Brule, you are seriously mistaken. You are describing some other player. The quotes from sources you are using are definitely not about Brule. Brule is not a hyper kid (cool as a cucumber), never played Midget, never left his billets to go home at any time, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I could go on and on about all these quotes you are using from the book that have nothing to do with Brule. It would make for a much longer response to this incredibly inaccurate and unbelieveable deduction you have made and posted here, that Brule is the player Joyce describes in his book. B.S.

by trackstar on Aug 15, 2008 1:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Trackstar: for starters, calm down. It's a blog I write in my free time and purely a hobby thing, so there's no need to get so WORKED UP about it, eh?

Secondly, how do we know that he never left his billets? The information about his career pre-Giants is not terribly easy to get at; are you speaking based on personal (i.e non-published) knowledge, or do you have some kind of link or published report to back up your point? Because if you do, I'd love to read it.

Thirdly: When the junior coach talks about his personality, I had taken his "hyper" comment to refer to on-ice play, where from everything I've seen and read about Brule's junior year it fits well. Do you disagree?

by Jonathan Willis on Aug 15, 2008 2:01 PM MDT reply actions  

There are no questionable assertions or rhetoric from my end. I am simply appalled by the writer's conclusion which is obviously a mistake. Can no one question the writer's conclusions on this board if you absolutely bet on your life know that this conclusion is incorrect? None of the quotes from either the Jr. Coach, The Teammate, The former billet, the coach who worked with him in a tournament, apply to Brule. The only thing in question is the writers conclusion, which is seriously flawed. Just because Don Boyd and his CBJ staff are familiar with a player doesn't mean that this player was ever a part of the CBJ organization, and even if he was it doesn't mean that they are referring to Brule. On this point, the writer's logic is flawed. Automatically assuming that Joyce is talking about one of the CBJ players particularly Brule is very weak. The article is making a huge leap towards a false conclusion in regards to the unnamed player in Joyce's book. The unnamed player Joyce refers to in the article is certainly not Brule. Brule played Jr A in Quesnel, not Jr. B or Midget AAA, never left his billets etc. Another laughable quote from the "coach who worked with him at a tournament" and I quote, "... compared to other players his own age, I don't think he was reading the game as well as he should have been". WOW, REALLY? This coach is retarded if he is referring to Brule. Any intelligent reader that actually knows Brule and watched him play minor hockey, Jr. A, Major Junior A with the Vancouver Giants, and in The Memorial Cup, who reads these quotes, will know that the writer's conclusion is flawed and has made a mistake in assuming that the player referred to is Brule. Out.

by trackstar on Aug 15, 2008 3:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Trackstar: I asked you this before, but how do we know he never left his billets? Do you have any link or published report discussing his career prior to playing in Quesnel, because as far as I can see, that's where the trail disappears, and I have no access to his play before that time.

As for rhetoric, the definition I was referring to is "grandiosity: high-flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation" and using words like "appalled", "incredibly inaccurate", "unbelievable deduction" and the like meet the latter part of the definition.

As for questionable assertions, when someone anonymous makes definitive statements like "never left his billets" with out anything backing him, it's questionable. As questionable as someone publishing under his given name advancing the idea that those quotes relate to Brule. I advanced a notion that certainly would be false if you could provide evidence supporting your statement, and I have no problem admitting it's false if and when that evidence is presented.

Until that point, my conclusion (Hey!- I think he's talking about Gilbert Brule) may or may not be accurate, remaining just as tenuos as it was when I wrote it.

That said, the odds of Gare Joyce confusing Midget AAA with Tier II Junior A is pretty unlikely, so on further reflection, my conclusion is likely wrong.

I'll ask again: where is your information coming from about Brule's amateur career: personal experience or published material?

by Jonathan Willis on Aug 15, 2008 3:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Call the Quesnel Millionaires, their number is (250)992-7181, ask for anyone in the organization, who knew Gilbert Brule, and ask them if he EVER left his billets for any reason let alone because "he was homesick" while playing there.

Call the Vancouver Giants (604)444-2687, do AS ABOVE.

Talk to ANY of his previous Coaches or Teammates to determine "Who is Gilbert Brule?" I doubt you did that.

Next time do your homework before you decide to write about a rediculous conclusion that has no basis in fact. People that read your blog would like to think that you are a credible source of information. On this conclusion regarding Brule, it is you who requires proof of your conclusion. The information you are quoting is in no way related to Brule and the logic you use to come to this rediculous conclusion is flawed and doesn't hold water. It is clear to me that you have made a mistake. If you make a mistake, write a retraction on your blog, not the comments. Its the only honourable thing to do.

by trackstar on Aug 15, 2008 4:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Talk to ANY of his previous Coaches or Teammates to determine "Who is Gilbert Brule?" I doubt you did that.

Given that I don't exactly get paid for writing this, does my failure to conduct a full background check with phone interviews and the like really surprise you?

Next time do your homework before you decide to write about a rediculous conclusion that has no basis in fact. People that read your blog would like to think that you are a credible source of information. On this conclusion regarding Brule, it is you who requires proof of your conclusion.

Nonsense. This blog is what it is: my opinions and ideas based on my personal knowledge of the Oilers and nothing else. I'm a fan, as much as anyone else is, and I have yet to make a penny off of my work.

As for my conclusion, here's the exact quote:

It all seems to point to one thing: Gilbert Brule is the player that Joyce was referring to. A player who puts a ton of pressure on himself, is socially awkward, but has a high level of drive and a near-obsession with the game. It's gotta be Gilbert Brule.

Now, maybe I should have added a ",right?" after that last sentence, but this was only speculation, as my "seems to" comment should make clear.

As for being a credible source of information, all of my references are there to see- people can examine the evidence and come to their own conclusions. I've never claimed to have inside knowledge, in point of fact I never claimed that this conclusion was definitive!

If you make a mistake, write a retraction on your blog, not the comments. Its the only honourable thing to do.

As for mistakes, and retractions, I have yet to admit an error, or retract it. I said that I was "likely wrong", but you haven't convinced me yet that I've said anything inappropriate, given that it was all supposition in the first place.

As for where I write things, I'll decide that myself, thank you kindly.

I also notice that you have yet to answer my question.

by Jonathan Willis on Aug 15, 2008 4:30 PM MDT reply actions  

You, a person using other peoples sources to make conclusions, you, a guy who pretends to know anything about Brule, you, who doesn't even check the sources to find out about whom they are speaking of, you, who are making the OUT OF THIS WORLD assumption that these unknown to you sources are even in fact speaking of Brule, you, who chooses to believe an unknown source of information from which you draw your rediculous conclusion, YOU, ARE ASKING ME FOR MY SOURCES?

YOU ARE REDICULOUS BEYOND COMPARE.

I gave you the phone numbers of some of my sources. Call them and you will get your answer. Tell them you are doing an internet blog article on Brule and that you want to get your facts straight. Because YOU DON'T! Do your homework like any responsible and credible writer would do! Otherwise you have NO CREDIBILITY!! Even as a part time hobbyist giving rediculous opinions using questionable sources of information, you should have at least some degree of integrity.

My sources are impeccable and will remain private.

by trackstar on Aug 15, 2008 5:17 PM MDT reply actions  

In his last year of minor hockey Brule played only one year AAA Bantam as a first year 14 yr old Bantam. Thereafter he went on to play for the Quesnel Millionaires in the BCHL as a 15 yr old. He only biletted with the Millionaires and later the Vancouver Giants of the WHL and at NO TIME left his billets to go home. While Brule played for the Vancouver Giants he was billeted with a family in Tsawwassen(a suburb of Vancouver)even though his parents live in Vancouver.

by trackstar on Aug 15, 2008 5:40 PM MDT reply actions  

In his last year of minor hockey Brule played only one year AAA Bantam as a first year 14 yr old Bantam. Thereafter he went on to play for the Quesnel Millionaires in the BCHL as a 15 yr old. He only biletted with the Millionaires and later the Vancouver Giants of the WHL and at NO TIME left his billets to go home. While Brule played for the Vancouver Giants he was billeted with a family in Tsawwassen(a suburb of Vancouver)even though his parents live in Vancouver.

Thank you kindly for that information.

by Jonathan Willis on Aug 15, 2008 5:45 PM MDT reply actions  

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